Vegas shutting down again rumor
Vital Vegas website describes this as a "voluntary" shutdown that would last 7-10 days. Neither the voluntary part with some casinos closing while others stay open, nor the 7-10 day period makes any sense to me,
If this comes about, it will neither be voluntary, nor for 7-10 days in my opinion. As I have stated here in several different threads, I was excited to get back to the casinos and my "casino life" when they re-opened on June 4, but it quickly became apparent to me that the opening was not being done responsibly. Customers were a big part of that, refusing to wear masks. The Governor allowed casinos to re-open, with certain conditions, but that is not what the people heard. People heard "back to normal". So if there is a second shutdown, customers have only themselves to blame.
And IMO, if there is a second shutdown, it will be for another good long while. Casinos and restaurants and bars which are a big part of casino businesses really are about the last businesses that should be open. We'll see what happens.
Once you accepted the green status or anything in this “time” you have accepted the legal ramifications which come with it.
You guys can keep talking about this but it’s moot as of this point. It’s cyclical and will continue to happen after this point in time for all of time.
It’s you who chooses to be free though.
Quote: heatmapSo I can’t keep my mouth shut right now but my girlfriend continually asks me when this will be over but also simultaneously is saying what I say is a conspiracy theory, but this is not a temporary thing. This is now a continuous cycle of being in colors. You will always be in green, but will always be able to be downgraded when it’s convenient.
Once you accepted the green status or anything in this “time” you have accepted the legal ramifications which come with it.
You guys can keep talking about this but it’s moot as of this point. It’s cyclical and will continue to happen after this point in time for all of time.
It’s you who chooses to be free though.
Or you could just wait for the medical treatment that eliminates Covid-19 as a threat.
We put a man on the moon but no one wants to believe medical science has a chance
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53,301 New Cases in USA are popped up in just 1 day. Close all casinos and all non-important businesses again 2nd time to save lives.
Cases in the U.S. Per CDC.gov
Updated July 3, 2020
TOTAL CASES
2,732,531
53,301 New Cases*
TOTAL DEATHS
128,648
624 New Deaths*
*Compared to yesterday's data
The same workers who complain about having to work at our restaurants didnt want to wear our supplied face masks and spray down surfaces.
South korea has 95-99% face mask compliance
My bandana works better tied with elastic laces.
Wuhan was far more stricter than probably most countries would tolerate. Most ppl were not allowed to drive their cars unless they had an exemption. Wuhan was quarantined. people were not allowed to leave the city. Delivery trucks could not enter wuhan. Men on towers patrolled the perimeter. Restaurants were closed
Quote: AxelWolfThat original 'lockdown' was not good enough, I want to almost say it was a waste of time, but it saved some lives so I can't really say that, but for lack of better words, it was a waste of time considering about 50% of the businesses were still open , and they didn't have strict social distancing and face mask policies for the places that were open. I'm not sure how much time it would have taken or exactly what extreme measures we would have had to take in order to make a huge difference. It just seemed obvious that we were going to be back in the same situation we were before the lockdown once everything opened up again.
When I look at the statistics, it seems the lockdown worked. Every chart was headed in the right direction. The CDC came out with guidelines on when and how to re-open. Some Governors decided to re-open well before guidelines said it was safe, and the results were predictable.
If you want to judge if the lockdown was effective, look at the charts of the states that opened early vs the ones that didn't.
I read a report yesterday that 100,000 lives could have been saved if we had gone into lockdown two weeks earlier.
Too late for that, but how many thousand lives can we still save by staying home as much as possible and wearing a mask when you are not home.
There really is a boogeyman out there, but like a vampire, the virus can't come into your home if you don't invite it.
From what I have been witnessing at the casino, and im at the sameone everyday, they are not enforcong social distancing nor they are not disinfecting the machines regularly enough. I played UTH last night for about 5 hours, saw plenty of players come and go, not a single employee came by and disinfected the chair, rail or surface. Because what I have witnessed on a daily basis, I will always disinfect my area evey time.
The required mask rule is a joke for the smoker's. They can't smoke whike they are at the gaming table, night as well just eliminate smoking all together.
The only area that is adhering to the rules are the dinig areas.
Very interesting.
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Very interesting.
Only 16X? My guy claims its inflated 27 times. He's an avid talk radio listener so I'm sure his numbers are more accurate.
https://twitter.com/venetianvegas/status/1279451976892178432?s=21
Still doesn’t rule out another mandatory closure coming from the governor.
Personally I had not heard anything about my company shutting down the operations we do have in the Vegas area. We are more concerned about multi quarter numbers then we are on the day-to-day or month-to-month type of revenue analysis to make decisions.
Quote: SiegfriedRoyThe strike may be an issues. However, I wonder and doubt the casinos are even. Even with the reduced income they may pay for a skeleton crew, I have a hard time believing they're making money. Does anybody have any information on this? If the casinos use the crowd-size of this past weekend as a baseline of "best-case" revenue scenario for the next several months and they still are not turning a profit, I can see more casinos closing down few more properties to get to a point where they're not in the red.
Remember, most if not all the casinos has raised the table minimums. Players are losing their money at a much faster pace. I played about 6 hours of UTH Friday night and players didn’t last very long playing double of what the minimums were because they are still buying in for the same amount when the table minimums were before covid hit. Plus playing maximum of three handed, the games moves very fast! Doesn’t take long for players to go broke.
Quote: VegasriderRemember, most if not all the casinos has raised the table minimums. Players are losing their money at a much faster pace. I played about 6 hours of UTH Friday night and players didn’t last very long playing double of what the minimums were because they are still buying in for the same amount when the table minimums were before covid hit. Plus playing maximum of three handed, the games moves very fast! Doesn’t take long for players to go broke.
I want to focus on Vegas Strip properties for now as they tend to be the biggest draw for tourists.
In 2019 STRIP PROPERTIES ONLY: Gaming revenue was 34.83%, Room was 28.34%, Food was 16.39%, Drink 7.43%, Other 13.02%. Vegas is no longer primarily about gaming. It still is the highest revenue category, but it's just above 1/3 of where tourists pend their money. Restaurants, shows, concerts, bars and other venues will need to open to maximize profit. I can definitely believe that the revenue stream for midwest and other regional casinos may heavily rely on gaming (and I can believe they can survive much easier than Vegas), but Vegas is a different beast.
Vegasrider, one of the biggest way of turning off a customer is pricing the customer out by raising the limit. Vegas rely heavily on low and mid rollers who come regularly to enjoy vegas. You can argue that these demographics are the most important group. I really hope we can turn the corner and have the strip and Downtown vibrant again.
Quote: Marcusclark66I work for one of the top five casino branding companies in the nation, although I'm not in Las Vegas I'm in the Midwest region. A lot of our properties are just as big in the Midwest and profitable as the ones in Vegas that we do have. Although Vegas has a much higher debt to income revenue stream as compared to the Midwest, we are just starting to see some decent numbers returning in the midwest after slightly more than a month of operations. Vegas takes a heck of a lot more gross income to break even then what the Midwest properties do. One thing some of you are seemingly forgetting about is, unlike a small business that needs immediate return because of no cash reserves or funding issues, larger casino companies can pull from other regions and sources to pay their debts.
Personally I had not heard anything about my company shutting down the operations we do have in the Vegas area. We are more concerned about multi quarter numbers then we are on the day-to-day or month-to-month type of revenue analysis to make decisions.
That makes a lot of sense. I'm very curious too. These publicly traded gaming companies hold very high debt. Like you said, unless they can offset with chained properties in other regions, or restructure their debt, I doubt (Vegas properties) are turning a profit.
A dealer at Golden Nugget told me he, along with many other dealers were axed the other day.
I’m a little worried...not right now, but what is coming down the line if we cannot get this virus under control. The $600 extra per week UI is holding a LOT of people at treading water. That’s ending in 3 weeks.
As it is, I’m surprised anyone wants to come to Vegas. With all the restrictions now...fun has taken a back seat. If it’s just gambling...only gambling, maybe I could see getting on a plane. But those people are generally die hards who rarely see the sun set or rise or anything else Vegas has to offer.
I’ll be damned if I’m going to wait in line to get into the pool area. Wearing a mask for marathon gambling sessions? Not sure about anyone else...pass.
Sometimes he would have three or four tours going simultaneously, and he provided a living for well over a hundred people. While not a charity, it was a labor of love as the money wasn't that great, and the headaches were quite demanding.
On Friday, he announced he is shutting down. He is in his early sixties, his kids weren't interested in working in the family biz and he thinks it will be at least two summers before things will return to normal.
Quote: SiegfriedRoyI want to focus on Vegas Strip properties for now as they tend to be the biggest draw for tourists.
In 2019 STRIP PROPERTIES ONLY: Gaming revenue was 34.83%, Room was 28.34%, Food was 16.39%, Drink 7.43%, Other 13.02%.
Vegasrider, one of the biggest way of turning off a customer is pricing the customer out by raising the limit. Vegas rely heavily on low and mid rollers who come regularly to enjoy vegas. .
Vegas strip does NOT cater to the low or mid rollers! Quite the opposite. Maybe downtown casinos,. I'm in Reno, now this city caters to the low-mid rollers.
With conventions and pretty much all forms of entertainment shut down, Nevada currently must rely on the hotel tax, restaurants and gaming revenue. Pretty much all the people from California is supporting Nevada right now.
Quote: VegasriderPretty much all the people from California is supporting Nevada right now.
On the roads here...I thought Nevada drivers were the worlds worst. They can’t hold a candle to Cali drivers on that front. Jeez. No matter how many warnings they are given from Primm to Vegas on the 15 about zero tolerance on speeding....95-100mph is more the norm than the exception. Must be a cash cow for NHP.
Quote: TDVegasOn the roads here...I thought Nevada drivers were the worlds worst. They can’t hold a candle to Cali drivers on that front. Jeez. No matter how many warnings they are given from Primm to Vegas on the 15 about zero tolerance on speeding....95-100mph is more the norm than the exception. Must be a cash cow for NHP.
Yep.
First time I visited Cali a friend who had moved from NY to LA met me.
His first warning:. Do NOT cross the street like a NY'er. You will become roadkill very fast.
NY'ers have a habit of walking thru traffic and putting our arms up to tell motorists to stop. We own the streets
Quote: VegasriderVegas strip does NOT cater to the low or mid rollers! Quite the opposite
Maybe you and I have different definition of mid and low rollers.
When I add the term of “roller,” it’s a bit of a term of endearment and it describes people who have propensity to gamble a bit. In my definition, I do have people I consider lower than “low-rollers.” These are typical ploppy tourists who drop $100 - $200 in slots per typical weekend.
However, my definition of low rollers is as follows:
-Low rollers $200-$300 gambling budget per day.
-Mid roller $300-500 gambling budget per day.
Quote: MoonsovermyhamyAll Casinos really have to do is enforce Social Distancing, make lots of hand sanitizer available, make everyone wear face masks, and if you are not wearing the face mask except for eating or drinking, you are told to leave The Casino. There will be people who really shouldn't be wearing masks(People with Asthma in particular) but in that case they most likely will not be able to enter The Casino in the first place.
Out here this weekend, and all casinos that I have been ARE enforcing the mask wearing and Social Distancing rule. Some are using the social distancing to stop folks from even watching blackjack games. So it is MORE difficult to backcount for sure. But I haven't seen them enforce the midshoe entry rules on double deck as before either. But not all the casinos are open. Definitely not all the bars and restaurants. But being a holiday weekend (July 4), it is definitely the most crowded it's been since the shut down. I did NOT like the Fremont Street area for the west side/main area as there were too many people funneled into the area through metal detectors and NO social distancing there. The only worthwhile thing was no kids/under 21 were allowed. The east part of downtown and Container Park were very sparsely populated however.
Quote: VegasriderRemember, most if not all the casinos has raised the table minimums. Players are losing their money at a much faster pace...... they are still buying in for the same amount when the table minimums were before covid hit. Doesn’t take long for players to go broke.
I can also verify this. Even today walking around scouting, minimums were higher than usual at some of the casinos. And you would think that with the limited players PER table that they would INCREASE number of tables open. I have only noticed a very, very minimal increase of opening more tables. It is as crowded this weekend as I would think it has been since the Covid shutdown.
Quote: MJGolfOut here this weekend, and all casinos that I have been ARE enforcing the mask wearing and Social Distancing rule.
That is funny as I didn't think they were doing such a good job enforcing the masks. Before Masks were mandated, and were only "recommended" people wearing masks were like 20-25%. I was downtown (at the D) the first day after masks were mandated and I would say 90% were wearing masks. Today I put the number at about 75%. You might think 75% is pretty good, but masks are mandated! And not just for casinos, but anytime your in public.
And by the way I don't consider patrons with a mask on their chin, covering neither their nose nor mouth as wearing a mask. Neither are the people with a mask hanging from one ear. In the end, if casinos here in Las Vegas are shut down again, it will be because people couldn't be bothered wearing a damn mask.
Quote: TDVegasThe casino floor at Red Rock today had decent compliance with masks. The ONLY ones flaunting the rule are smokers. I guess a cigar or cigarette in your hand, lit or unlit, gives you carte blanche to have the mask hang off your ear for the entire time you are in the casino.
How does that work in Vegas?
In AC masks must be worn at all time and all consumption (smoking, food, drinking, etc..) are prohibited to ensure mask compliance.
In Vegas are you exempt from wearing a mask if smoking or drinking?
Quote: GandlerHow does that work in Vegas?
In AC masks must be worn at all time and all consumption (smoking, food, drinking, etc..) are prohibited to ensure mask compliance.
In Vegas are you exempt from wearing a mask if smoking or drinking?
I would assume the same it works here in IL. If you are in a restaurant you can be without a mask a while you sit at your table but you must put it on in order to go to the bathroom. I would think this may be stricter at say a blackjack table where I would assume one would have to wear one unless taking a sip from their drink or a drag from their cig although all the IL casinos are smokefree
Quote: VegasriderAnyone notice any disinfecting of machines and table games areas whenever a player leaves? Masks and SD seems to be enforced, but the disinfecting has been neglected at the casino I visit on a daily basis.
So if you see somebody come by and spray the machine and wipe it with a cloth how long would you wait till you used that machine? Right away 1 minute 5 minutes 10 minutes >? Would you use it at all?
If they are going from machine to machine using the same cloth to wipe the machine down they are likely spreading more germs then killing .... a new paper towel should be used to avoid such spread and tossed away after each machine.
Now how long should you wait? That depends on what they are spraying on the machine .... is it just water ?
The list of products that will kill the virus is pretty long but some do it rather quickly ( and cost a lot of money) others take much longer and accordingly are cheaper ..... which do you think those casinos would be using>? If you see somebody spraying machines see if they are wearing rubber gloves as the MSDS for products will likely advise them to wear them for their safety
Oxivir is a hospital grade germ killer cleaner Virex 256 also does the same but Oxivir claims 1 to 5 minutes of area left wet after spraying Virex 256 says leave area wet for 10 minutes
watching the news and they show gym equipment being sprayed down and wiped after use .... no gloves on and using the same rag on all the different pieces of equipment guessing the cleaning disinfecting agent being used is a safe product like water ..... a petri dish full of spots came to mind
Don't expect to see the Canadian border open this year for travel either way
Quote: GandlerHow does that work in Vegas?
In AC masks must be worn at all time and all consumption (smoking, food, drinking, etc..) are prohibited to ensure mask compliance.
In Vegas are you exempt from wearing a mask if smoking or drinking?
Effectively you are. I’m told that people in the sports book with a drink while seated do not have to wear a mask but you must wear a mask when placing a bet.
The rule on the casino floor is a joke. Everyone must wear a mask...but if you are a chain smoker, you do not have to wear a mask. The casino will tell you that’s not the intent of the rules but that is exactly what has happened. The ones infecting the air with respiratory smoke are effectively exempt from wearing a mask. They are not pulling down, puffing, and pulling up. Ever.
The only good thing Red Rock did is you cannot smoke at the tables....but can smoke like a chimney at the slots with no mask. At least people drinking were taking a sip and pulling up their mask. Every smoker I saw either had the mask on their ear or drawn down like a chin strap for the entire time I saw them. I guess a pack of cigs on the slot or anything in their fingers exempts them from mask wearing.
Jeez...what a joke. The people potentially spreading bad respiratory air are exempt from wearing a mask. Can’t make this s**t up.
Quote: TDVegasEffectively you are. I’m told that people in the sports book with a drink while seated do not have to wear a mask but you must wear a mask when placing a bet.
The rule on the casino floor is a joke. Everyone must wear a mask...but if you are a chain smoker, you do not have to wear a mask. The casino will tell you that’s not the intent of the rules but that is exactly what has happened. The ones infecting the air with respiratory smoke are effectively exempt from wearing a mask. They are not pulling down, puffing, and pulling up. Ever.
The only good thing Red Rock did is you cannot smoke at the tables....but can smoke like a chimney at the slots with no mask. At least people drinking were taking a sip and pulling up their mask. Every smoker I saw either had the mask on their ear or drawn down like a chin strap for the entire time I saw them. I guess a pack of cigs on the slot or anything in their fingers exempts them from mask wearing.
Jeez...what a joke. The people potentially spreading bad respiratory air are exempt from wearing a mask. Can’t make this s**t up.
What can you expect from people who daily poison their lungs and shrug that lung cancer isn't serious
Hmm, $1.25 x 5 loads x 2 wash & dry x 26 times = $325 of quarters
Quote: ChumpChangeIf it isn't too much trouble, you should cash in your chips if the casino is open, now. If that means driving more than a couple hundred miles, you may have to wait a few years for the bankruptcy proceedings of the casinos in question.
I know my workers are going to be spreading rumors why im gone for so long. The chips are from all over the country.
We hear funny rumors that im sleeping with the bookkeeper. They probably think im a mule.
Quote: jjjooogggWe hear funny rumors that im sleeping with the bookkeeper. They probably think im a mule.
If you're a mule you wont need a condom. Mules are sterile, right? Or are they just not interested?
Quote: racquetIf you're a mule you wont need a condom. Mules are sterile, right? Or are they just not interested?
I meant that they think i transport drugs across the country bc we are close to the border. Ppl broke into our store and cut thru a metal freezer door and roof to look for money. If i was in the cartel. I wouldnt be running this restaurant even as a front with low sales.
All our cash is stored in banks. I think the bank tellers cant believe that we arent making money looking at our balance. They think we are hiding cash. Our accountant is a college professor in accounting. He made it clear that i had to prove i spent my savings. I completed my total loan summary.
Quote: racquetIf you're a mule you wont need a condom. Mules are sterile, right? Or are they just not interested?
I assume he's making a drug reference.
But if it's the animal don't have to worry about pregnancy anyway.
However a condom is probably good for disease protection.
Unless of course you feel the same way about condoms as your right to not wear a face mask.
My family has never had any business with drugs but the rumor has been going for 35 years. No conviction no indictment. No investigation.
I suspect some of the car accidents were set up to search my parents car. Without a warrant.
I left my van with an associate of cops. It was searched.
People criticize my parents for driving a 2012 volvo , The only vehicle with autonomous brakes in 2012. But all the other restaurants have lifted trucks and mercedes. I buy used trucks across the country to convert to use cooking oil. If i was a drug dealer. I wouldnt be buying worn down trucks with 200k miles.
A friend who owns subways reported a county’s 10 most wanted applied to work there. The detective said that he wasnt going to do anything but my friend should make a civil case against her. How would he if he isnt a party in the case.
