Sorry, you've been overcomped
Quote: AxelWolfAnd I understanding that. Unfortunately all it takes is one pit boss to think you're to strong of a player and a note in the computer.
I don't know what speed counting adds to YOUR game or how religious you are doing it and employing correct strategy. Its to my understanding that under good conditions and perfect computer play there's up to a 1% advantage *rolls eyes*.
Do you know if you should be breaking even or actually have a slight advantage?
If you're certain that you're at least a break even player then think back at all the rooms, limos, food, invites etc. Add it all up and yes you are being over comped.
I'm not sure if you mentioned how much you're up or down lifetime since you started SC.
What's you're estimate on the amount of comps you've received?
Since everyone enjoys and appreciates your trip reports, perhaps you should keep a log of all the comps and extras you get and give a tally at the end.
It's hard to put a price on entertainment and enjoying life. You appear to be blessed with a good life. Meanwhile guys are struggling just to make rent. Don't ever forget that.
I could certainly keep an estimated tally of what I get comped - however, the thing I bring up is, were it not for my wanting to gamble, I would not need any of these comps (i.e. I would not be at that hotel, I would not be dining in those restaurants, I would not be going to those shows/concerts)
Quote: aceofspadeshowever, the thing I bring up is, were it not for my wanting to gamble, I would not need any of these comps
Benny Binion said we'll give the players
some of their lost money back in a kind
of rebate. We'll give them free rooms and
food so they'll lose even more. The other
casinos hated the idea, but they soon were
all doing it because it was wildly successful.
Quote: EvenBobBenny Binion said we'll give the players
some of their lost money back in a kind
of rebate. We'll give them free rooms and
food so they'll lose even more. The other
casinos hated the idea, but they soon were
all doing it because it was wildly successful.
Yeah, if I didn't like gambling, I wouldn't need comps. Tale as old as time.
Quote: aceofspadesOnce I hit MLIFE Platinum earlier this year, my offers decreased - when I spoke with both a casino host and MLIFE supervisor, they informed me that in the past I had been "overcomped" and I was now going to be "undercomped" -- so I asked how could I have been "overcomped" if all I ever did was book the offers contained in my mailers and never had a host per se? They said "maybe the computer made an error"
UgHHHHH
anyone experience this?
I don't know anything about mlife.com but here is a thought. These are made up numbers used fr example. They offer you a total of 2k in various offers in a month. You claim 1500 of them. Even though they offered you 2k they really only wanted you to take 1k. So since you take 1500 you are over comped even though you only took what was offered. Again amounts are just made up as an example.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLThanksgiving is coming up.
If you read this, you probably have a reason to give thanks for what you have.
TwoFeathersATL, I 100% agree with your statement that everybody should be thankful for what you have. We quickly forget how fortunate we are even to be living in this country. However, I put a caveat to AxelWolf's statement that "guys are struggling just to make rent." If you're talking about it in general, I am with you. If you're talking about gambling grinders who are just making it, I don't have much sympathy. When I used to live in Las Vegas for four years, I had a neighbor who was a self-proclaimed "professional" gambler. Before I met my neighbor, I was naive and did not even know those existed other than poker pros. The said professional gambler had a family and loved to visit me and my roommate for a beer every now and then. When he had big wins $1000+, he'd come with a 12-pack and brag about it while we congratulated him on his winnings. When things were not going well, he was quick to come borrow money from us saying he had to buy groceries for his kids. We really had no choice because we were doing okay and he had two young kids we adored. While I'd like to think that the money we lent him went to groceries, I am sure that enabled him to use other funds to gamble with. He did pay us back most of the money he borrowed, he did "forget" about some. We knew he was on a bad run when we don't hear from him in a couple of weeks. Going back to my original arguments. If you're a good AP and getting by with your talents, congrats to you (no sarcasm). If you're grinding, not hurting anybody, and like what you do, keep doing it. If you have to keep borrowing money, you're probably not a good AP and maybe should consider changing your day job. I cringe when I hear about men w/ family who grind it out because not everybody is good/smart like some of the APs on this forum. I wish they'd find employment in jobs that guarantee in consistent pay.
Quote: aceofspadesI could certainly keep an estimated tally of what I get comped - however, the thing I bring up is, were it not for my wanting to gamble, I would not need any of these comps (i.e. I would not be at that hotel, I would not be dining in those restaurants, I would not be going to those shows/concerts)
That is very true but the casino certainly does not see t that way. All they see is a person taking the offered comps. Those comps have do indeed have a value.
Just remember, if they don't want your business there is almost always someone that is dieing for it.
Quote: GWAEI don't know anything about mlife.com but here is a thought. These are made up numbers used fr example. They offer you a total of 2k in various offers in a month. You claim 1500 of them. Even though they offered you 2k they really only wanted you to take 1k. So since you take 1500 you are over comped even though you only took what was offered. Again amounts are just made up as an example.
Here is how the offers were structured:
I would get 4 offers per year - each could be used only once in each 3 month period.
I would get , say 3 free nights of hotel + $150 resort credit + 2 tix to a show (the same offer would be offered once every three months (the offers used to be for a suite, then a regular room, and now, upon reaching Platinum, a regular room for $89/night Sunday-Thursday with no weekend offer)
I then called MLIFE and was told I had been overcomped in the past and hence, the adjustment of my offers…I have since called a host and gotten a comped room
Quote: SiegfriedRoyTwoFeathersATL, I 100% agree with your statement that everybody should be thankful for what you have. We quickly forget how fortunate we are even to be living in this country. However, I put a caveat to AxelWolf's statement that "guys are struggling just to make rent." If you're talking about it in general, I am with you. If you're talking about gambling grinders who are just making it, I don't have much sympathy. When I used to live in Las Vegas for four years, I had a neighbor who was a self-proclaimed "professional" gambler. Before I met my neighbor, I was naive and did not even know those existed other than poker pros. The said professional gambler had a family and loved to visit me and my roommate for a beer every now and then. When he had big wins $1000+, he'd come with a 12-pack and brag about it while we congratulated him on his winnings. When things were not going well, he was quick to come borrow money from us saying he had to buy groceries for his kids. We really had no choice because we were doing okay and he had two young kids we adored. While I'd like to think that the money we lent him went to groceries, I am sure that enabled him to use other funds to gamble with. He did pay us back most of the money he borrowed, he did "forget" about some. We knew he was on a bad run when we don't hear from him in a couple of weeks. Going back to my original arguments. If you're a good AP and getting by with your talents, congrats to you (no sarcasm). If you're grinding, not hurting anybody, and like what you do, keep doing it. If you have to keep borrowing money, you're probably not a good AP and maybe should consider changing your day job. I cringe when I hear about men w/ family who grind it out because not everybody is good/smart like some of the APs on this forum. I wish they'd find employment in jobs that guarantee in consistent pay.
Relatively speaking, we are all going to be better off than at least one other person in the world…and someone is going to be better off than us.
All of that said, they do except a level of play knowing they will win over time. You don't to have an issue with that.
From what I see from your posts I would tell MGM to go F themselves
Quote: BozAce, I think my guy at Cosmo offered to take care of you on your first visit. Did you try it? Seems to me it has slot of what you are looking for.
Yes Boz he offered a comp room but then scheduling and work got in the way and I was unable to take him up on it - can you email me his info again pretty please
Quote: aceofspadesYes Boz he offered a comp room but then scheduling and work got in the way and I was unable to take him up on it - can you email me his info again pretty please
Will send again.
Quote: BozWill send again.
Thanks Boz - got it - maybe I will try to meet him in person when I am next in Vegas (since that is already booked)
Quote: SiegfriedRoyComping is the only reason I'd go. I eat food I normally wouldn't pay to eat. I see shows I normally wouldn't pay to see. I stay in rooms I normally wouldn't pay to stay. I also can bring my close friends and family to enjoy with me. If I can have that at the cost of a casino getting a shot at my bankroll, I'm good with it. I guess it's different for me because I'm not an AP.
I don't see how gambling enables anyone to do these things unless they are APs or being over-comped. It's cheaper to just pay for them [without gambling to get comps], really nice things/rooms/meals included.
So you might explain.
Quote: odiousgambitI don't see how gambling enables anyone to do these things unless they are APs or being over-comped. It's cheaper to just pay for them [without gambling to get comps], really nice things/rooms/meals included.
So you might explain.
Ok from my point of view...I would have zero interest in going to Atlantic City unless I wanted to gamble -- as such, I would never need the use of a hotel or restaurant there -- I would travel to the Caribbean or Miami or tour Europe -- by would never need the RFB available in Atlantic City, so they are "things I would not pay for in that location anyway"
I am your first follower. :+)Quote: aceofspadesFor anyone interested, I am now on Twitter @GuitarLawInk
Quote: odiousgambitIt's cheaper to just pay for them [without gambling to get comps], really nice things/rooms/meals included.
So you might explain.
It was only a matter of time till the
can of worms was opened. Explain
indeed..
Quote: EvenBobQuote: odiousgambitIt's cheaper to just pay for them [without gambling to get comps], really nice things/rooms/meals included.
So you might explain.
It was only a matter of time till the
can of worms was opened. Explain
indeed..
I did explain above...
Quote: aceofspadesHere is how the offers were structured:
I would get 4 offers per year - each could be used only once in each 3 month period.
I would get , say 3 free nights of hotel + $150 resort credit + 2 tix to a show (the same offer would be offered once every three months (the offers used to be for a suite, then a regular room, and now, upon reaching Platinum, a regular room for $89/night Sunday-Thursday with no weekend offer)
I then called MLIFE and was told I had been overcomped in the past and hence, the adjustment of my offers…I have since called a host and gotten a comped room
I'll just explain it, since nobody came out and said it.
You generate comps in two ways, through your actual loss and through your theoretical loss. Assume that they give you 10% of whichever is greater, the lesser number is not factored in at all.
Trip 1: Lose $5000, theoretical loss $500. Get $500 in comps.
Trip 2: Win $4000, theoretical loss $500. Get $0 in comps.
Now you have a theoretical and actual loss of $1000, but you have gotten $500 in comps. You are comped at 50%. Until something else happens, you're not going to get any more things from a host. Direct mail offers are usually different, they don't hit your discretionary balance but rather your reinvestment account.
Quote: tongniI'll just explain it, since nobody came out and said it.
You generate comps in two ways, through your actual loss and through your theoretical loss. Assume that they give you 10% of whichever is greater, the lesser number is not factored in at all.
Trip 1: Lose $5000, theoretical loss $500. Get $500 in comps.
Trip 2: Win $4000, theoretical loss $500. Get $0 in comps.
Now you have a theoretical and actual loss of $1000, but you have gotten $500 in comps. You are comped at 50%. Until something else happens, you're not going to get any more things from a host. Direct mail offers are usually different, they don't hit your discretionary balance but rather your reinvestment account.
I beg to differ on your Trip 2 calculations. Yes they do comp you at 10% of your actual loss, but when your theo is larger, they will comp you 35% of your theo whether you win or not.
Trip 1: you lose 5000, they comp you 500 <-- i agree
Trip 2: let's say you won $4000, but your play was 4 hours a day X $150 a hand X 60 hands and hour X 0.01 (theo loss in blackjack...although different casinos calculate differently) x 2 days = $252 in comp
Quote: SiegfriedRoyI beg to differ on your Trip 2 calculations. Yes they do comp you at 10% of your actual loss, but when your theo is larger, they will comp you 35% of your theo whether you win or not.
Trip 1: you lose 5000, they comp you 500 <-- i agree
Trip 2: let's say you won $4000, but your play was 4 hours a day X $150 a hand X 60 hands and hour X 0.01 (theo loss in blackjack...although different casinos calculate differently) x 2 days = $252 in comp
so both of you believe that you will get a full theoretical comp on actual losses? say I lost 500 cash, I'd get 50 comped?
At MGM you can find a 9/6 jacks or better machine that returns 99.54%. Putting 25k through on $1 triple play shouldn't take long, like 1666 hands or about 3 hours. Your expected loss is about $115. Having platinum at MGM earns you 0.13% in cashback and comps. You'll earn $32.50 in cash and comps.
At CET you can play 9/5 Jacks which returns 98.45%. 25k means $387.50 expected loss. The games are crappy there but they tend to comp a lot better in forms of freeplay, rooms, etc.
I'm getting offers on the strip for rooms, freeplay, and dining credits from playing a long time ago. My play now is not nearly enough from then to keep the offers going, but for now they are trickling in. Eventually I'll no longer get offers, but for now free stuff.
Quote: aceofspades
I think you mentioned some days you don't play at all or very little.This may be why you have been over comped.
Hots will give oftentimes give players comps based on estimated future play.
Day one: AOS plays a good amount, host comps him a nice lunch and dinner based on that days play. His rooms and limo were based on last times play. Now he's been comped properly and up to date.
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Day two: AOS plays very little because he hit the golf course or something that day. 5pm rolls around and he asks for dinner and a show. The host, knowing that AOS was out playing golf all day comps him because he assumes AOS is going to repeat yesterdays play after dinner.
Now he's temporarily over comped.
AOS grabs dinner but afterwards he only hits the table for 30 minutes before attending the show.
Afterwords AOS gets side tracked at the bar (and possibly Roofied) and doesn't give anymore play that day.
The host is still hopeful eventually AOS will put in a big session and continues to comp him. Perhaps AOS gives just enough play that the host lets it slide(Maybe due to over losing)
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Marketing sends AOS offers. Sure enough AOS put in a big session on his first day. The Host forgets last time because he notices big play again and the cycle continues.
Because AOS hit Platinum it caught someones attention and they looked closer at his account and realized he was in fact over comped.
Until that time, a buffet was all I had ever been comped.
After that meal, next time I spoke to a host, I heard the word "overcomped" for the first time.
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in 2014, I was playing at the Montbleu in Tahoe (former Caesar's Palace) during a major power outage & rainstorm. Their power was down for 4-5 hrs, and I couldn't cash my money out of the machine. (Unlike the other casinos, Montbleu's backup generator got hit by lightning, so they had to wait until the power company restored power).
Next month, I got $2,000 of FP. I was playing a penny slot at $0.40 min bet for about 4 hrs - possibly $1,200 coin-in, $150 Theo.
Pretty sure I was overcomped. Next month my offer went down to $5/day.
Perhaps it was a "smart move" from Marketing....to give overly-generous offers to everyone inconvenienced by the power outage...
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This year I was pleasantly surprised. Played the Spielo "weird" game in a tiny casino, chasing the $50 "hotter" & lost -$100 to -$150.
Next month got $400 FP mailer (never ever had free play there before, always playing a little small stuff).
Wow. Probably overcomped there now also.
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Questions about ADT/ADW details:
I had assumed that "playing days" included
1) days at hotel - including day of check-in & day of check-out
2) days you "put card in machine/kiosk" just to check info
3) days you eat, see a show, or use pts/comp at store.
However, last week a host told me they have "action days" and "playing days",
so staying in the hotel or eating food did NOT count as a day for calculating ADT/ADW.
So my questions are:
(A) Are any other casinos like this one, or do they have a unique policy?
(B) If I have a Thursday hotel reservation, and I check-in Fri 12:30 am & check-out Fri noon, would that still be 2 gaming days?
(C) Does eating, seeing show, etc... also go by "gaming day" or actual "24-hr day"?
Thanks everyone.
P.S. I often use casino hotels as a place to stay while vacationing, so have really streaky play - heavy for a few hours, then nothing for 2-3 days (or just a little in graveyard).
Quote: aceofspadesso both of you believe that you will get a full theoretical comp on actual losses? say I lost 500 cash, I'd get 50 comped?
Yes. I verified this a few trips ago. I was "honored" 10% of my actual loss rather than 35% of my theo because the 10% loss was greater than my theo.
I've also been comp'd 35% of my theo rather than 10% of my actual losses. I have a great host who will make this work for me. I've been to other casinos who will hide the theo to screw me over on comps. When I was at the Venetian last year, I won some money but was told they couldn't cover some stuff because I won. That was a whole lot of BS.
Quote: AxelWolfI think you mentioned some days you don't play at all or very little.This may be why you have been over comped.
Hots will give oftentimes give players comps based on estimated future play.
Day one: AOS plays a good amount, host comps him a nice lunch and dinner based on that days play. His rooms and limo were based on last times play. Now he's been comped properly and up to date.
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Day two: AOS plays very little because he hit the golf course or something that day. 5pm rolls around and he asks for dinner and a show. The host, knowing that AOS was out playing golf all day comps him because he assumes AOS is going to repeat yesterdays play after dinner.
Now he's temporarily over comped.
AOS grabs dinner but afterwards he only hits the table for 30 minutes before attending the show.
Afterwords AOS gets side tracked at the bar (and possibly Roofied) and doesn't give anymore play that day.
The host is still hopeful eventually AOS will put in a big session and continues to comp him. Perhaps AOS gives just enough play that the host lets it slide(Maybe due to over losing)
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Marketing sends AOS offers. Sure enough AOS put in a big session on his first day. The Host forgets last time because he notices big play again and the cycle continues.
Because AOS hit Platinum it caught someones attention and they looked closer at his account and realized he was in fact over comped.
Axel I totally understand what you wrote but you have to remember, I was only using mailed offers which gave me a room and pre-set amount of resort dollars I could use towards food - no host was reviewing things - the "host" was the person who would merely book the mailer for me - even she informed me she was not my "host" / nothing was ever done on the fly for comps - it was all whatever the mailer included
Along a similar line, up until recently there was a resort where you could go into the browser source code and book any room for the price of the cheapest room listed. My friends and I enjoyed many weekends staying in two story suites for $49-$69 a night.
We fly to Las Vegas twice a year and have about a $1500 a day habit (not counting the occasional Royal). We haven't paid for food drink or room in a couple of years.
Quote: aceofspadesAxel I totally understand what you wrote but you have to remember, I was only using mailed offers which gave me a room and pre-set amount of resort dollars I could use towards food - no host was reviewing things - the "host" was the person who would merely book the mailer for me - even she informed me she was not my "host" / nothing was ever done on the fly for comps - it was all whatever the mailer included
Ace, Axel is spot on his analysis. I was going to write something to the same affect.
I am sure you are correct a host didn't look at your account for the mailers but I am also sure the casino has software designed to "look" at your play and make the same discretionary decisions as a host.
Only software cannot truly use discretion, its just programming so your live host finally saw what the computer was giving you and determined you were overcomped.
whatever the case I have a feeling it was triggered by his new card level. Kinda messed up.He was probably happy when he moved up levels unfortunately it was his undoing.Quote: darkozAce, Axel is spot on his analysis. I was going to write something to the same affect.
I am sure you are correct a host didn't look at your account for the mailers but I am also sure the casino has software designed to "look" at your play and make the same discretionary decisions as a host.
Only software cannot truly use discretion, its just programming so your live host finally saw what the computer was giving you and determined you were overcomped.
Honestly I think it may be a good thing in the end, perhaps he will explore other options leading him to get more valuable out of his play.
I say contact hosts at some new locations, deposit front money, bring his platinum card to show the host. They will probably take care of him.
Someone mentioned some nice off strip locations.
Djatc said mix in some VP play.
I say maybe look at some slot opportunities. They don't have to be +EV just close enough to boost his comps and not give up 10% or 15%
6 months later AOS = full time slot player Ace Of Slots
Quote: beachbumbabsI will say that I reviewed my ADT and play patterns with my CET host a couple of years ago at my request, in case I needed to change anything, and the only thing that came out of that was, "play more slots". I had been playing almost exclusively table games for a couple years at that point, after years of slotting. So I went back to playing more slots than I had been (about an hour or two a day) and my offers have stayed decent. So I'm echoing what the guys said above about adding machines into your play, FWIW.
I am surprised you are all recommending slots - I thought slots were the worst odds in the casino? Although, I assume that you are only recommending them as a comp booster, not for actual monetary gains
Quote: aceofspadesI am surprised you are all recommending slots - I thought slots were the worst odds in the casino? Although, I assume that you are only recommending them as a comp booster, not for actual monetary gains
They are all casino employees, run away from the light, run fast (joke)
Quote: aceofspadesI am surprised you are all recommending slots - I thought slots were the worst odds in the casino? Although, I assume that you are only recommending them as a comp booster, not for actual monetary gains
To confirm; you want good comps. My rough estimate of the order: Slot players get the best comps by far, with most slot machines having the worst odds (there are some other things that are worse, like the Big Wheel, some sidebets, some craps bets, etc.). Followed by carnival games and roulette players. Then VP players. Then BJ players. Worst comps are for craps (unless they see you playing a lot of the center bets), baccarat, and paigow poker/tiles. (The paigows are considered carnival games, but the base game has a low HE and is the slowest-dealt game in the casino for HPH, so it hurts your average more than most).
Nobody's saying you can't keep right on with what you're doing. But when the question of comps comes up, if you're playing for them, slots is a good place for at least some of your play.
Quote: aceofspadesI suppose, should I begin playing a certain amount of slots per trip, that I should shoot for the moon and play Megabucks or some such machine where I could win millions
Well, maybe so, but I think Megabucks is about the worst of the worst because of the lotto-sized progressive. I could be wrong.
It wouldn't take you long to learn some VP strategy. That wouldn't be quite as good comp-wise as slots, but still helps.
I personally run good on Quick Hit Platinum, which is a slot most places have. It's a penny slot, though I only max-bet it @$1.50.
It's also true that, the larger the denomination on the machine, the better the odds tend to be set. So, with your bankroll, you might as well take advantage of better odds playing higher than that.
If it were me, I'd PM TheBigPaybak, who plays a lot of high-denom slots, or IBYA or WoN or Chauncey who also play them sometimes, see which ones they might recommend to you.
You might also do well with Keno. Ask Mission what to play.
Quote: beachbumbabsWell, maybe so, but I think Megabucks is about the worst of the worst because of the lotto-sized progressive. I could be wrong.
It wouldn't take you long to learn some VP strategy. That wouldn't be quite as good comp-wise as slots, but still helps.
I personally run good on Quick Hit Platinum, which is a slot most places have. It's a penny slot, though I only max-bet it @$1.50.
It's also true that, the larger the denomination on the machine, the better the odds tend to be set. So, with your bankroll, you might as well take advantage of better odds playing higher than that.
If it were me, I'd PM TheBigPaybak, who plays a lot of high-denom slots, or IBYA or WoN or Chauncey who also play them sometimes, see which ones they might recommend to you.
You might also do well with Keno. Ask Mission what to play.
If I recall correctly, the better % payback on slots has a diminishing return once you being playing more than the $5 slots…? Am I correct - like the $10, $25, $100, $1000, $5000 do not pay back higher percentages merely because they are higher denomination, with the to payout % topping off on a $5 machine…?
I do enjoy the Wheel of Fortune slots (for times when I had FSP to use)
Quote: WizardofnothingThank you for the reference bbb. I think ace is getting a lot of answers that are more opinions and it may confuse him, if he is truly looking to maximize comps he should definitely play some slots however I would avoid all of what he mentioned himself and most of what was posted in here. Although axel tends to think it is because of his card status, I will respectfully disagree since platinum at mlife is not the top card and they are a dime a dozen. Especially considering his tier score from what he said is at the bottom of the range and would not cause it to stand out all that much
I had never been Platinum before - I was always Blue or White - so, naturally, I assumed my offers would be better as Platinum - it is basically a disincentive. I play at MLife a total of 10 days per year and attained Platinum - I am not sure how easy that is to do
Quote: aceofspadesIf I recall correctly, the better % payback on slots has a diminishing return once you being playing more than the $5 slots…? Am I correct - like the $10, $25, $100, $1000, $5000 do not pay back higher percentages merely because they are higher denomination, with the to payout % topping off on a $5 machine…?
I do enjoy the Wheel of Fortune slots (for times when I had FSP to use)
Here are some recent stats from Foxwoods/MS (where they don't mix in VP/Keno/VJ amounts. The other reports do, which skews the actual slot info).
Foxwoods: July 2014 - May 2015
•$0.01: 89.34 percent
•$0.02: 90.83 percent
•$0.05: 90.40 percent
•$0.25: 92.06 percent
•$0.50: 91.47 percent
•$1.00: 93.50 percent
•$2.00: 93.34 percent
•$5.00: 93.96 percent
•$10.00: 94.70 percent
•$25.00: 94.25 percent
•$100.00: 95.56 percent
•Multi-Denomination: 95.77 percent
•Total: 91.85 percent
Mohegan Sun: July 2014 - May 2015
•$0.0025: 85.84 percent
•$0.005: 85.45 percent
•$0.01: 88.93 percent
•$0.02: 89.21 percent
•$0.05: 88.39 percent
•$0.25: 91.64 percent
•$0.50: 91.94 percent
•$1.00: 93.04 percent
•$2.00: 96.62 percent
•$5.00: 93.82 percent
•$10.00: 96.96 percent
•$25.00: 95.38 percent
•$100.00: 93.85 percent
•Multi-Denomination: 95.19 percent
•Total: 91.71 percent
(source: http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/troubleshooters/Troubleshooters-Casinos-Payout-Gambling-Slots-Investigative-311877231.html )
Quote: beachbumbabsHere are some recent stats from Foxwoods/MS (where they don't mix in VP/Keno/VJ amounts. The other reports do, which skews the actual slot info).
Foxwoods: July 2014 - May 2015
•$0.01: 89.34 percent
•$0.02: 90.83 percent
•$0.05: 90.40 percent
•$0.25: 92.06 percent
•$0.50: 91.47 percent
•$1.00: 93.50 percent
•$2.00: 93.34 percent
•$5.00: 93.96 percent
•$10.00: 94.70 percent
•$25.00: 94.25 percent
•$100.00: 95.56 percent
•Multi-Denomination: 95.77 percent
•Total: 91.85 percent
Mohegan Sun: July 2014 - May 2015
•$0.0025: 85.84 percent
•$0.005: 85.45 percent
•$0.01: 88.93 percent
•$0.02: 89.21 percent
•$0.05: 88.39 percent
•$0.25: 91.64 percent
•$0.50: 91.94 percent
•$1.00: 93.04 percent
•$2.00: 96.62 percent
•$5.00: 93.82 percent
•$10.00: 96.96 percent
•$25.00: 95.38 percent
•$100.00: 93.85 percent
•Multi-Denomination: 95.19 percent
•Total: 91.71 percent
(source: http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/troubleshooters/Troubleshooters-Casinos-Payout-Gambling-Slots-Investigative-311877231.html )
Thanks Babs - I guess the information I had was slightly off
Would running $100 through a WoF machine once a day on a trip help or not really?
Quote: WizardofnothingAce I sent you a pm- don't waste your time running 100 through on a wheel of fortune
I would agree, and further suggest that you might let WoN guide you on this. As he noted, my advice is based on my opinion and experiences, and he knows more about this than I do.
Quote: WizardofnothingCard level has zero to do with actually offers at most casinos, there are numerous places I play where I have top level card and get lower offers then my girlfriend
so who are card levels helpful too? the casinos to dangle a carrot in front of players?
