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AceCrAAckers
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April 16th, 2012 at 8:13:30 AM permalink
Hello forum.

I have two side bets for craps that went live in a casino. Until I get more placements, I would rather not mention the name of the casino.

As with any new bets, I was excited by the prospect of seeing real action. Here are the bets and the payouts.

1. Broad Bar 12 is a bet where you win if any doubles are rolled. 12 is a push and sevening out is a loss. It pays 7:6 and does not work on the come out roll. It is a novel place bet with the exact same odds and payout as a place6/8 bets.

2. Double D. The object of this is to roll all six possible doubles before sevening out. This bet does not work on the come out roll and as long as the shooter is shooting the dice, this cannot lose. For rolling 0-3 unique doubles, player loses. 4 unique double pays 10x, 5 unique pairs pays 50x, and all 6 unique pairs pays 250x.

Here is what happened on the first night as reported by a supervisor who informed me what happened on the game.

In the first two hours, the Double D bet got 50x paid out twice. Also, a shooter held the dice for an hour so the players won big. Even the field bet players were winning big. Players were also betting for the dealers.

The results were skewed by this anomaly. The same things that get the player excited can give the management heartburn. Twice the player had a chance to win the max payout on the Double D bet. The odd of this happening is 1 in 924 and even with 5 unique doubles hit; it is still only 1 in 7 chance of it happening.

The first night did not go well for the house so it did not go well for me. Hope they open the game this weekend again. Will keep you updated.
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April 16th, 2012 at 8:32:06 AM permalink
Congrats AA.....always exciting to see something you created go live on the floor!
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April 16th, 2012 at 8:34:53 AM permalink
Good for you, AA. May you get lots of installs.

As to the poll question, I would refrain from making either bet untl I know the house edge.
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AceCrAAckers
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April 16th, 2012 at 8:42:27 AM permalink
Thanks Paradigm. Going solo is so much more difficult because I do not have connections like the large distributors. I cannot call DTG and have him place a game. Hopefully players enjoy the game and they mention they want to play these bets in neighboring casino before I call them so I can get a meeting.

This casino has three craps side bets. Firebet, small/tall/all or nothing, and Double D and Broad Bet. Will find out which bets players flock to, because they have a choice. All table will not be opened all the time. When the table with Double D is closed, I am hoping the craps players asked to have it opened. Then I will know for sure that I have a hit.
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April 16th, 2012 at 8:42:40 AM permalink
The Double D is something I will definitely be interested in playing. Seems a lot easier than hitting a firebet. What is the house edge on Double D compared to Firebet?
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AceCrAAckers
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April 16th, 2012 at 8:47:40 AM permalink
Quote: CrapsForever

The Double D is something I will definitely be interested in playing. I tend to throw lots of doubles; so this is the bet for me. Seems a lot easier than hitting a firebet. What is the house edge on Double D compared to Firebet?



The Wizard does the math analysis for this Wizard Of Odds site for any game that goes live. The odd of hitting the max on the firebet is about 6500 to 1. The odds of hitting Double D is about 1000 to 1. The exact number is 924 to 1.

For rolling double, the Broad Bar 12 is a good bet too. Rolling a double except a 12 pay 7:6 and cannot lose with a softway roll.
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April 16th, 2012 at 8:48:05 AM permalink
I'm not sure if I would try the Broad Bar 12. Even though it has the same odds/payout as a 6/8, and I DO play the 6/8, as a "side bet", I'd want to bet only $1. That it pays the same as a 6/8, I'd want to press it, which means I'm back to looking for a casino that has 25¢ chips so I can press in fractional units. Plus, I don't like the "bar12" aspect. Yeah, I realize that without it, it would be even money with no edge.

I'd probably play the Double D bet for the same reason I like the Fire Bet: It's a single small bet that is active for the duration of the shooter's turn.


Good luck with it!
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CrapsForever
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April 16th, 2012 at 8:58:45 AM permalink
Quote: AceCrAAckers

The Wizard does the math analysis for this Wizard Of Odds site for any game that goes live. The odd of hitting the max on the firebet is about 6500 to 1. The odds of hitting Double D is about 1000 to 1. The exact number is 924 to 1.

For rolling double, the Broad Bar 12 is a good bet too. Rolling a double except a 12 pay 7:6 and cannot lose with a softway roll.



Thanks for the feedback. The Broad Bar 12 is cool but I need higher odds than 7:6 on sidebets. The Double D is a winner!!!

I'm going to assume this casino is in Las Vegas. Are there any Craps side bets apart from the Firebet available in Atlantic City/Pennsylvania? From my research, it looks like Craps sidebets are only in Las Vegas and Mississippi. I've never seen the All, Tall, Small bet in Atlantic City or Pennsylvania. Is it available in any East Coast Casino?
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MrCasinoGames
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April 16th, 2012 at 9:04:02 AM permalink
I like the Double D bet.
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April 16th, 2012 at 10:04:49 AM permalink
Everyone likes double D"s oops sorry misunderstood my bad :)

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