New Side-bet for Poker Room Flop Games

Below is a brief description of my patent-pending side-bet for poker room games. My math calculations show the house edge is between 5.91%-23.06%, depending which side of the cube they wager on and if it's a $3, $4 or $5 bet. Please feel free to comment, even constructive criticism is welcomed.

Thanks!!!


Bet the Rake is a new side-bet for three-card flop, community-card poker room games. When a player chooses to Bet the Rake, they are wagering on the outcome of the next flop. A winning Bet the Rake side-bet wins 1 to 1, and has a chance to win a bonus payout as well. There are many bonus payouts available; they range from $111 to $1,111.

Rules of Play

If at the end of a hand - there was at least a $3 rake collected, the dealer will offer all players the option to Bet the Rake. If there was not at least a $3 rake collected from the last hand, the dealer will not offer any player the option to Bet the Rake.

If the dealer does offer the option to Bet the Rake, only one player will be allowed to do so. Out of the players that want to Bet the Rake, the player that was in worse position during the hand that just completed, is the only player allowed to do so. Note: Worse position is defined as being closest clockwise of the dealer button.

If a player is allowed and chooses to Bet the Rake, that player must select one side of the Bet the Rake Cube to wager on. There are six different sides of the cube a player can wager on, they are as follows:

Side-1) Major Red/Aces Best – This wager wins 1:1, if both of the following occurs:

a) The flop contains two or more red cards.
b) The flop does not contain a pair, three-card flush, three-card straight or three-card straight-flush.

This wager loses if the above stated does not occur. This wager wins a Three-Of-A-Kind Bonus Payout, if the flop is a three-of-a-kind; containing two red cards. If the flop contains two red aces with one black ace, this wager wins a top bonus payout of $1,111.

Side-2) Major Red/Kings Best – This wager wins 1:1, if both of the following occurs:

a) The flop contains two or more red cards.
b) The flop does not contain a pair, three-card flush, three-card straight or three-card straight-flush.

This wager loses if the above stated does not occur. This wager wins a Three-Of-A-Kind Bonus Payout, if the flop is a three-of-a-kind; containing two red cards. If the flop contains two red kings with one black king, this wager wins a top bonus payout of $1,111.

Side-3) Major Black/Aces Best – This wager wins 1:1, if both of the following occurs:

a) The flop contains two or more black cards.
b) The flop does not contain a pair, three-card flush, three-card straight or three-card straight-flush.

This wager loses if the above stated does not occur. This wager wins a Three-Of-A-Kind Bonus Payout, if the flop is a three-of-a-kind; containing two black cards. If the flop contains two black aces with one red ace, this wager wins a top bonus payout of $1,111.

Side-4) Major Black/Kings Best – This wager wins 1:1, if both of the following occurs:

a) The flop contains two or more black cards.
b) The flop does not contain a pair, three-card flush, three-card straight or three-card straight-flush.

This wager loses if the above stated does not occur. This wager wins a Three-Of-A-Kind Bonus Payout, if the flop is a three-of-a-kind; containing two black cards. If the flop contains two black kings with one red king, this wager wins a top bonus payout of $1,111.

Side-5) Pair and Up/Aces Best – This wager wins 1:1, if the flop contains a pair, three-card flush, three-card straight, three-of-a-kind or three-card straight-flush. This wager loses if the above stated does not occur. This wager wins a Three-Of-A-Kind Bonus Payout if the flop is a three-of-a-kind. If the flop contains any three aces, this wager wins a top bonus payout of $1,111.

Side-6) Pair and Up/Kings Best – This wager wins 1:1, if the flop contains a pair, three-card flush, three-card straight, three-of-a-kind or three-card straight-flush. This wager loses if the above stated does not occur. This wager wins a Three-Of-A-Kind Bonus Payout if the flop is a three-of-a-kind. If the flop contains any three kings, this wager wins a top bonus payout of $1,111.

For a player to select which side of the cube they want to wager on - that player must place the cube with the side they want to wager on, face-up on the table in front of them. Next, they must place their wager on top of the cube inside the betting circle. This wager must be equal to the amount of the rake, collected by the dealer, for the hand that has just completed.

The dealer then deals a new hand of the three-card flop, community-card poker room game. After the flop is laid, the wager on the Bet the Rake Cube is paid if it wins or taken if it loses. Note: All bonus payouts are paid from the cage in cheques or with a stored-value card; after they have been verified valid. If a flop is not laid when the new hand is dealt, the dealer will deal another new hand following house rules; and will continue to do so until a flop is laid. A Bet the Rake wager will stay in play until a flop is laid.

Note: Any money a player wins wagered on Bet the Rake, does not become part of that player’s table stakes until the start of the following hand after from which it was won. If a player wins a bonus payout, they may add those winnings to their table stakes; but it is not required they do so. If a player does add a winning bonus payout to their table stakes, their total table stakes must not exceed the table’s maximum buy-in limit.

Three-Of-A-Kind
Bonus Payout Schedule


Flop- Bonus
Outcome- Payout

Three A’s- $1,111 (w/ Aces Best)
$111 (w/ Kings Best)
Three K’s- $1,111 (w/ Kings Best)
$111 (w/ Aces Best)
Three 9’s- $999
Three 8’s- $888
Three 7’s- $777
Three 6’s- $666
Three 5’s- $555
Three 4’s- $444
Three 3’s- $333 (w/ Major Black/Red)
$999 (w/ Pair and Up)
Three 2’s- $222
Three Q’s- $111
Three J’s- $111
Three 10’s - $111

Note: A Major Red wager wins a bonus payout when two of the three-of-a-kind cards are red, a Major Black wager wins a bonus payout when two of the three-of-a-kind cards are black, and a Pair and Up wager wins a bonus payout with any three-of-a-kind.

Bonus payouts can be adjusted to accommodate different rake amounts.

Before someone says,"with only one player allowed to bet this side-bet, the house cannot make much money on it". This is not true, the dealing instructions are designed to only take an additional 3 seconds on average to handle this side-bet. This allows minimal impact on the speed of the game. Also, the house edge is on the total amount the house is dropping anyways so if it is bet every hand, the house should average an additional 20% hold over the tables original hold. The cube is versatile whereas it can be added to or removed from any table at anytime by player majority demand. When some poker rooms are contemplating raising their rakes, they now don't have too if they add Bet the Rake to their tables.

As a poker player, I would not be interested in anything with a house advantage that high. 5%-23%? Really? If I wanted to lose that fast, I'd play roulette and slots. NO serious poker player would ever bet this, only drunken frat boys wanting to imitate Ivey and Dwan. And lose while doing it. Good luck with your patent.

$1-2 no-limit is big it will definitely be good on that game as well as a $3-6 limit. And if it is on a game and a player does not want to bet it they don't have too another player will be allowed to do so. Also, on the limits I discussed above the average house hold is $5 on a $50 pot. The house edge is only on the $3-5 rake only, not the pot. Thanks for your reply anyway much appreciated.

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$1-2 no-limit is big it will definitely be good on that game as well as a $3-6 limit. And if it is on a game and a player does not want to bet it they don't have too another player will be allowed to do so. Also, on the limits I discussed above the average house hold is $5 on a $50 pot. The house edge is only on the $3-5 rake only, not the pot. Thanks for your reply anyway much appreciated.

I would not be concerned about the size of the House Edge. Most people know that the edge is high on side bets. If they don't know that fact, then the thrashing they are going to get at poker will be far worse than what they lose on side bets.

I think that it is probably a good idea to get some patents on side bets on poker. Traditionally, the players would get upset if the dealer is side tracked hustling side bets for the casino. They are, in a sense, hiring the casino services and paying with the rake. But as casinos get more and more bothered by the much higher rate of return on regular tables vs poker tables, they may install some electronic devices to quietly monitor the side bets.

I think you should do some informal polling of poker room players and see if they would be interested in some sort of side bet. You don't have to specifically say what kind of side bet, just see if they would be interesting in something at all. Personally, I think it would be a hard sell to poker room players. Most of them are in the room because of the fact that they are not facing some uphill battle against a casino's house edge, but rather pitting their own skills and wiles against other players. On the other hand, the rapid growth of poker could mean more and more people who are playing the game might be interested in some sort of side bet.

I would hazard to guess that higher limit players would not be interested at all. I would be curious as to what the lower limit players think.

Quote: bettherake

Before someone says,"with only one player allowed to bet this side-bet, the house cannot make much money on it". This is not true, the dealing instructions are designed to only take an additional 3 seconds on average to handle this side-bet.

I still believe in my initial instinct, when I read your post, that the casino will not wish to take time on a wager that cannot total more than $3. I can't see how 3 seconds is anywhere near enough for the bet to be considered, placed and settled. For example, the player in seat 1 may decide not to place the wager so the dealer has to work around the table to see who wishes to place the bet. Some players may ponder for a short while and then take additional time in deciding which side of the cube to wager on. IMO that alone could take anything from 5 - 30 seconds. Also, with a 1/1 payout most of the time, players may not feel that it is worth 'distracting' their attention to win or lose $3. Admittedly, the bonus payouts add some excitement but I'm not sure whether it would be enough.

I like the name 'BetTheRake' and, if presented well enough, it may entice players to win their rake back. Maybe the proposition could be given to the player who has just won the previous pot so it gives him/her the impression that they can get their rake back? It could always be passed clockwise after that. However, I feel that the wager needs to be much more simplified for the casino to endear to it.

There was a 'flop' wager for poker released a few years ago. It allowed players to bet on the structure of the flop using 3-card poker hands as payouts. The bet didn't seem to gather any momentum when placed in the card room and while I'm not sure of the reason I believe that a large part is due to poker players' resistance to wager on a casino-style game while playing poker.

Finally, I think that the options you have are too close in comparison i.e. Aces or Kings. Just my opinion but I would try and come up with a different wager than just Black/King, Red/King which is almost identical to the 'Ace' wager. Maybe 'High' and 'Low' come to mind, with 2-8 and 9-K being the cutoffs and 'A,A,A' working for both wagers?

Just my initial thoughts.

3 seconds? Sir, you were in 'worst position', do you want to bet the rake? No! Sir, you were in 2nd worst position, do you want to bet the rake? No! ...... Sir, you were in best position, do you want to bet the rake? Uh, maybe... let me see which side of the cube I think will be best... hmmmm... ok...... As they wake up the other 8 players to start the next hand.... But, I really don't think this kind of bet is what poker players are looking for. The 'bad beat' side bets have something to do with the game of poker. Also... why can't you offer the bet to everyone at the table, just have lots of cubes?

good idea, however, i doubt many poker players, if any, want to be bothered by any side bets in the table. this would not only distract their play but also slow the hell out of the game.

The Red Rock tried a side bet in poker about a year ago. Based on the flop, it was pretty much the Pairplus bet in Three Card Poker. I'm pretty sure it went over like a lead balloon.

Many have tried to improve it, but Texas Hold 'Em is fine as it is.

I think such a bet, where only one person at the table could participate at a time, would never be approved by the gaming commission.

As others have said, your "3 seconds" is a pipe dream that may come close to being realistic, only if all the players at the table are intimately familiar with the bet and are able to decide quickly.

The best way for this to work is to offer the bet ONLY to the player that won the last pot, since it was their rake they are betting against. Only then do you have a shot at achieving your 3 second goal.


But then there's the question of whether poker players will play it at all.

When I play poker, I wan't to play poker. If I wanted to gamble, I would play something else. So I wouldn't play it. I'm sure most poker players feel the same way. Heck, many players do not like the Bad Beat, or High Hand jackpots, not because of the additional rake, but because it changes the way some people play the game.

The dealing instructions allow for the the dealer to announce Bet the Rake is open, as they are pushing the winning pot at the end of the hand. The player that says they want to Bet the Rake is allowed to. If more than one player announces they want to Bet the Rake the dealer makes the choice by player position, the dealer does not go around asking each player. Once the dealer moves the cube to the player, that player gets to bet it that hand, even if another player that was in worse position changes their mind and wants to now bet it. While the player is deciding and placing their bet on which side of the cube, is during the time the dealer is collecting the cards and riffling them before placing them in the shuffler, and removing and cutting the new deck. And you can't allow more than one person to Bet the Rake because poker tables have a fixed bankroll, essentially the player will be winning the rake hence Bet the Rake.

Wizard,

Yes they did, but there was too much being lost on the table to the house as well as the time it took, more than one person was aloud to bet it and it turned the game into a house game. My bet is designed just to give the players a chance to keep the rake collected from the hands on the table; and to entice players to play it is where the bonus payout come into play. I you read one of my other replies about the dealing you can see that the game can move much quicker and not drain the funds off the table, keeping it more true to poker. Thanks for your reply Wizard.

I have dealt poker for almost five years at 3 different casinos. Us dealers, constantly have to enforce the no side-betting rule between players on the game; especially over the last couple years, because most of the new low-limit no-limit players think they are on tv because they have learned it from watching poker on tv. Also, poker players that play better hands get bored easily waiting for a good hand, this will give them something to do every once in awhile.

Quote: bettherake

And you can't allow more than one person to Bet the Rake because poker tables have a fixed bankroll, essentially the player will be winning the rake hence Bet the Rake.

This doesn't make any sense. Wasn't the top payout $1111 or something? It really has nothing to do with the rake. It is just a side bet with its own defined odds. If it is good for the house to offer it to one player it is good to offer it to all players.

Thanks Switch. I originally developed the idea of allowing the winner to bet it, but then split pots all-in pots ok who gets to then, by position. I went to worse position since you will be moving the button to the next player and now possibly giving the cube to the now button or in that vicinity.

Yes soopoo, Yes the winning bet is paid with the Rake before it is dropped, if the bet loses the dealer drops the rake and the losing side-bet before dragging the new rake from the current pot. also bonus payouts are paid from the cage not the bankroll, since they are only hit approxmiately every 52/22100 or 26/22100 flops.

Wait a sec.

Are you saying that most winners pay even money, and one combination pas big? There's nothing in-between?

Nobody will play it.

Djteddybear,

Most of the time the payout is even money, but there are 10 different bonus amounts that can be won, but those are paid through the cage brought to the table either with chips are stored-value cards used in electronic poker rooms. Below is an example of the odds I have done. There are 8246 times the bet wins even money and 26 times a bonus payout of $111 or more is won out of 22100 times bet for a major black or red bet. There are 5660 times the bet wins even money and 52 times a bonus payout of $111 or more is won out of 22100 times bet for a pair and up bet.



$3 Any Major Black/Red Bet

Straight Flush 48 144
Three of a Kind 52 156
Straight 720 2,160
Flush 1,096 3,288
Pair 3,744 11,232
All Other 16,440 49,320
Total 22,100 66,300

Lose 41,562
Win 24,738
Payout 1:1 24,738
Payout Three of a Kind Bonus 12,878
Total Payout 37,616
Total House Hold 3,946
House Edge 5.95%



$3 Any Pair & Up Bet
Straight Flush 48 144
Three of a Kind 52 156
Straight 720 2,160
Flush 1,096 3,288
Pair 3,744 11,232
All Other 16,440 49,320
Total 22,100 66,300

Lose 49,320
Win 16,980
Payout 1:1 16,980
Payout Three of a Kind Bonus 28,420
Total Payout 45,400
Total House Hold 3,920
House Edge 5.91%

Quote: bettherake

Before someone says,"with only one player allowed to bet this side-bet, the house cannot make much money on it". This is not true, the dealing instructions are designed to only take an additional 3 seconds on average to handle this side-bet. This allows minimal impact on the speed of the game. Also, the house edge is on the total amount the house is dropping anyways so if it is bet every hand, the house should average an additional 20% hold over the tables original hold.

But it won't be bet every hand -- or at least resolved every hand. You have two criteria for when the bet cannot be resolved: when the prior hand didn't rake $3, and when the flop didn't happen. You need to factor that in to determine how many actual bets you resolve during an hour.

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Note: All bonus payouts are paid from the cage in cheques or with a stored-value card

How does paying from the cage "only take an additional 3 seconds on average to handle this side-bet"?

My instinct is that the cost to implement this game would vastly outweigh its profitability. I could be wrong, but I think you have some major procedural issues to overcome. Not unique to your bet, mind you, just generally.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

When I play poker, I wan't to play poker. If I wanted to gamble, I would play something else. So I wouldn't play it. I'm sure most poker players feel the same way. Heck, many players do not like the Bad Beat, or High Hand jackpots, not because of the additional rake, but because it changes the way some people play the game.

In fact, this bet might also change the way people play. Three of the six bets pay bonuses on aces, so if you're the bettor and you look down at one or two aces, you *don't* want to see a flop -- that way your bet rides until the next hand. Seems like this would encourage weird play strategy -- what's the right pre-flop strategy when you have $5 on the "Pair and Up/Aces Best" bet in a $1/$2 NL game and you hold a pair of aces in early position?

I would guess you might get one poker player out of 10 to play this side bet. Doubt the house would make much that way!
Plus if you got 2 or 3 players betting, you would see several other players ask for a table change!

the dealing instructions are designed to only take an additional 3 seconds on average to handle this side-bet.

There are lots of players that can not pick up 2 cards in 3 seconds. Now they have to decide which side of a cube to bet, ask how much the rake was, go into chip stack, hopefully have 3 or 4 white chips, need change, get paid when they win, give cube back, etc. No way
this only impact 3 seconds! even being optimistic and say 10 seconds and 30 takers per hour. At $3 per bet. That is $90 in play at 5%.
That is $4.50 for the house. And at least one hand not dealt in that hour. So lose that $3 rake on a hand never dealt. WOW.
House makes $1.50 and loses players to another poker room because well they want to PLAY POKER !!!!!

Trying not to be negative, just giving honest opinion. You will need answers for this scenario when you pitch your side bet. And I hate the bad beat jackpots as do lots of players. Don't need another bit of silliness at the table. Plus dealers like to have a pattern , drop rake when betting has concluded and winner is being decided. Pretty sure no good dealer will want any part of this .

Buzzpaff,

House edge averages 10-15%, thats not hold. The hold which will obviously be higher, just like side-bets that have house edge's of 5-10% hold 20-24% on average. If a table averages $80 an hour in rake drop on a table, and the house hold is 25% thats an extra $20 per hour, minus an average of a $4 rake not dropped per hour to handle the 30 bets in that hour, leaves the house an extra $16 per hour per table. If the table was open 10 hours a day for a year that would be almost a extra $60,000 for that table in earnings, multiply that by 10 or 12 tables would be huge for the house. Now I expected and have received flack about this from poker players that wouldn't want it, coincidentally they don't like badbeat jackpots either. That's why I say this would only be on low-limit games. Not for the poker player trying to make a living from poker. Also, you don't have to make change unless the bet loses in which the dealer gives them $1 or $2 from the rake and takes and drops the nickel. I have dealt and practiced this side=bet to a table of 8 players, granted they already were informed of the side-bet I still only lost 1 hand per hour 3 times. The cube usually will not be handed back as it is forwarded to the next player as is the button.


P.S.
I'm a great dealer, and if I can have an additional way to earn tips on a game and only sacrifice 1-2 hands per hour, I'm all for it especially when I'm responsible for paying a bonus payout and receive a greater tip for that than the $1 an hour I lost in time.

Yes MathExtemist,

Strategy will change making for a unique game. Including the possibility of stimulating action because the bet cannot be bet unless there is at least $30 in the pot in order for the side-bet to be bet the next hand; especially if there has not been a bonus payout in awhile. A player that will be entitled to bet it the next hand could be raising just because they are trying to make $30 in the pot, or they could have a great hand and be using the excuse of needing $30 in the pot. Players will never know, adding a lil different strategy true - but interesting in my opinion. Also, the hands continue as soon as the Floor validates a bonus payout has won. The table doesn't have to wait for the player to receive their payout from the cage.

Good Idea.
Need improvement on bets per hour (money make per hour).

MrCasinoGames thanks,

I know the house would like to make more, but I don't want to drain the poker life left in it - out of it. I wanted to create a delicate balance in which both the player and house could live with, without making it a true table game. Instead the game is still a poker room game with a side-bet that can be bet on a fixed-bankroll table as all poker room tables have; that I'm aware of. With only dealing with one side-bet per hand doesn't slow the game down as it would if more than one player would play the side-bet per hand. A good dealer will get out 40-50 hands per hour depending fixed or no-limit. Still, any poker room that is contemplating a rake hike should add this instead of raising the rake max and chasing their players away to a lower rake max room.

Quote: bettherake

MrCasinoGames thanks,

I know the house would like to make more, but I don't want to drain the poker life left in it - out of it. I wanted to create a delicate balance in which both the player and house could live with, without making it a true table game. Instead the game is still a poker room game with a side-bet that can be bet on a fixed-bankroll table as all poker room tables have; that I'm aware of. With only dealing with one side-bet per hand doesn't slow the game down as it would if more than one player would play the side-bet per hand. A good dealer will get out 40-50 hands per hour depending fixed or no-limit. Still, any poker room that is contemplating a rake hike should add this instead of raising the rake max and chasing their players away to a lower rake max room.

I thank the casino will use it, if the game (Bet the Rake) is for free. (Try get some money out of the casino for a poker room game or Idea.)
By the way, I like the name (Bet the Rake).

MrCasinoGames,

I trademarked the name Bet the Rake this past april 2011. Also, yes to get money from a poker room game from a casino is next to impossible because their rake is the same. This is a side-bet added that will only slow the game down slightly. after they receive a free trial for 3-6 months they could see what it would be worth to them.
Also, any room contemplating a rake hike should consider using this idea for free on a trial basis instead of alienating their customers with an imposed rake hike.
As well the game was designed to increase a poker room table's hold not a table game's hold on the floor so hold amounts will be lesser but still an increase in what is being dropped on the poker room tables now.

Quote: bettherake

MrCasinoGames,

I trademarked the name Bet the Rake this past april 2011. Also, yes to get money from a poker room game from a casino is next to impossible because their rake is the same. This is a side-bet added that will only slow the game down slightly. after they receive a free trial for 3-6 months they could see what it would be worth to them.
Also, any room contemplating a rake hike should consider using this idea for free on a trial basis instead of alienating their customers with an imposed rake hike.

Hi bettherake,

Have a Look at my poker room side-bet:
Block Pro® Hold'em™ (Bonus/Side Bet for Taxes Hold'em) Uploaded Feb 5, 2009

Good luck with, Bet the Rake.

MrCasinoGames,

i viewed your link for Block Pro. Your's is definitely is a casino floor game whereas you need a bankroll that can vary and have floor supervisor's consistently watching the dealers so that they don't take from the rack. Mine is a poker room game whereas the bankroll stays fixed amount so that the dealer is responsible for what is in it when they sit down and get up; therefore not needing to be watched as closely except for the dealing and making sure the dealer is not cheating for the players. One time of a $5 cheat the dealer will be questioned. Not as if they stole a couple hundred a time by taking from the rack. Yours is a great floor game. You spend more time on the house bets making more for the house, whereas mine concentrates more on the poker game. Good luck on your game endeavors too, I'm new too this but have been a dealer in table games and poker for almost 10 years.

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MrCasinoGames,

i viewed your link for Block Pro. Your's is definitely is a casino floor game whereas you need a bankroll that can vary and have floor supervisor's consistently watching the dealers so that they don't take from the rack. Mine is a poker room game whereas the bankroll stays fixed amount so that the dealer is responsible for what is in it when they sit down and get up; therefore not needing to be watched as closely except for the dealing and making sure the dealer is not cheating for the players. One time of a $5 cheat the dealer will be questioned. Not as if they stole a couple hundred a time by taking from the rack. Yours is a great floor game. You spend more time on the house bets making more for the house, whereas mine concentrates more on the poker game. Good luck on your game endeavors too, I'm new too this but have been a dealer in table games and poker for almost 10 years.

Yes, bettherake.

Anyway I think a side bet for poker room tables would work well if it is on a Internet poker rooms or electronic poker tables, where the side bet could be happening in the background, therefore there is no time wasted.
The player can just make a side bet and carry on playing their poker games as normal.

That's why I recommend it to be used in the Internet or electronic tables and not on live tables, in my video link:
Block Pro® Hold'em™ (Bonus/Side Bet for Taxes Hold'em) Uploaded Feb 5, 2009

Quote: bettherake

. . . that can be bet on a fixed-bankroll table as all poker room tables have; that I'm aware of.

All Atlantic City and Connecticut casinos use varying bankroll racks. I.E. There is a cash drop slot and the rake is placed back into the rack.

In fact, Foxwoods goes one step further: They use coupons for the bad beat. I.E. The rake and BB rake are taken out of the pot. A coupon is placed under the BB chip. When the hand is over and the pot is pushed to the winner, the rake chips are put into the rack, and the BB coupon goes into the cash drop slot.

Quote: bettherake

Now I expected and have received flack about this from poker players that wouldn't want it, coincidentally they don't like badbeat jackpots either. That's why I say this would only be on low-limit games. Not for the poker player trying to make a living from poker.

I'm not sure why you have made that correlation. Are you suggesting that only people at higher limit games don't like the bad beat jackpot? That could be why there's no bad beat when the limits get high enough, but there are plenty of people at $1/$2 tables that don't like it either. I'm a $1/$2 player and almost got killed because of the bad beat.

Mr. Bettherake,

I think you may not understand the collective wisdom of those who are expressing their opinions on your game. You have a number of highly successful game developers who know the business here. At least three have a gazillion placements of their exceptionally good games. You have a few who are struggling with a new game idea to go the distance. And you have a lot of people with opinions (insert usual "opinion" joke here). If I add my own opinion to the mix, you've got convincing evidence that your game is not going to work. You may choose not to hear that message. Very few new game developers accept the message, especially if it's their first game. But that is the message.

Your next step is to a) spend a lot of money to try and bring your game to market. In this case, the result is that you will lose a lot of time and money and gain from it valuable experience to bring to your next project. Or b) to listen and learn, then start over. I suggest a), not because your game will ever work, but because it is quite obvious you need the education.

We're on your side here. Everyone here wants everyone to succeed with their games. Your idea is, unfortunately, a "flop."

--Ms. D.

House edge averages 10-15%, thats not hold. The hold which will obviously be higher, just like side-bets that have house edge's of 5-10% hold 20-24% on average. If a table averages $80 an hour in rake drop on a table, and the house hold is 25% thats an extra $20 per hour,

When the dealer pulls back the handle and the rake drops into that box, that rake is 100% the house's. NOT 20% OR 30% BUT 100% !!! And friends will always tell you what a great game you have. But the fact is that there are none so blind as those who will not see. Enjoy your dream but please don't put too much money into it. GOOD LUCK. You are sure going to need it !

30 bets per hour at $3 with 10% equals $9 an hour, And you will get nowhere that many takers, NO WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!