discflicker
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February 21st, 2011 at 11:56:32 AM permalink
A foot in the door: Standards in electronic signaling protocols used for live gaming interactions across multi-vendor implementations and networks.

A good example of this is ShuffleMaster's RapidRoulette game. This represents a new trend in live gaming based upon chip-less wagering implemented over a server-based architecture.

I am certain this is the future of live gaming, and warrants a full and OPEN discussion. I think a great opportunity to mold the future architecture of server-based gaming presents itself here.

Starting with new bets like DJTeddyBear’s Poker-For-Roulette side bet, the need to introduce electronic signaling into a live game of Roulette is apparent. Although DJ did a fair job detailing the signaling interactions his interface requires, I felt that there were a lot of details that he didn’t work out. Since I’ve spent over 10 man years exclusively working this out, I feel I’m qualified to discuss it.

I own a company involved in exactly these topics, and I want to start selling some products, for example, a server-based system to accept chip-less bets and run the game… OK, it's just like ShuffleMaster’s RapidRoulette, but I’m trying to approach it from a STANDARDS point of view.

I keep telling DJ that his new wager represents an important step in the evolution of gaming… the introduction of the All-Bets-Down signaling required for the electronics to calculate his bet payouts and track his jackpot balances.

But this is a big step for a casino to take. First of all, it costs a lot of money for DJ’s license, for the hardware and to re-train the dealers and floor managers. Next, the casino needs to consider a lot of new things like security procedures, fail-over strategies in case of hardware problems, new gaming regulations concerning the use of such products, setting up pay-back programs for DJ and his vendor, etc., etc…

I’m sure that DJ has wondered if a casino will weigh the potential profits his new bet could provide against all of these other considerations and still buy it. The thing is, DJ doesn’t care about changing the world, he just want to sell his wager.

DJ needs to world to catch-up to his framework requirements… chip-less gaming and server-based architecture. My company needs the same thing, well, actually, my company IS that same thing. What is needed here is a way to jump-start the use of such framework.

One of my older ideas to help jump-start the introduction of chip-less gaming in casinos was to use "the handicap card"... it could be said that the casino needs to establish All-Bets-Down signaling in order to allow handicapped people to use electronic interfaces to make bets. I discussed this at length with my lawyer. He nodded and charged me $300 to listen. I also included it in one of my patents. However, that was all done before RapidRoulette was available.

Still, I think its a good approach... its a good FOOT IN THE DOOR.

One of my dream goals is to STANDARDIZE this interface. For example, a "standard" protocol for taking Roulette bets from a variety of multi-vendor hardware interfaces, for example, one for the visually impaired, one, for the hearing impaired, and one for Steven Hawking.

Once the interface is established for the handicapped, there is nothing to preclude the use of remote terminals, Kiosks, etc.

And once THAT is established, THEN the world opens up for new and exciting Poker-For-Roulette-like side bets, enhancements to existing games, as well as brand new games that could never be played with the physical limitations of chips on a table.

Before MathEx gets a chance to jump on my shit and proclaim that I will need a gaming license to do this, let me repeat again that I have a WORKING DEMO. As such, I have already worked out the exact message sequencing required to accept wagers and play the games.

Because of the layered architecture this messaging is based upon, the functions of the PLAYER program are isolated and encapsulated within it, connected to the rest of the system ONLY by the protocols implemented by the message sequencing.

In other words, MathEx, I have the PROTOCOLS worked out.

Vendors are then unleashed to create player units that cater to every kind of handicap, playing any kind of game, using any kind of fancy animation they desire.
using any kind of fancy animation they desire.
using any kind of fancy animation they desire.
using any kind of fancy animation they desire.
(just so MathEx will finally get my point and stop dissin' me for those lame wagering layouts my demo currently uses)

They can create new dealer and game sever programs in the same isolated manner. Even the underlying transport mechanisms of these protocols can be changed, for example, wireless technologies, encrypted message transports, whatever… hardware can change, the system can be scaled up or down, etc.. THE SYSTEM REMAINS.

I am considering GIVING this protocol to the public… I might to do so to get MY foot in the door in the gaming business. My protocols ALREADY support multiple games. I don't think there is currently anything like it in the public domain of the industry, and (if not) I think the industry needs it badly.

It will open up the competition, allowing game inventors like DJ to go wild... dont forget, once the interface is established, programming new bets like Poker-For-Roullette will literal be a snap (a snap-in).

Yup, I really am interested in what you’re trying to accomplish, DJ!
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JerryLogan
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February 21st, 2011 at 1:47:51 PM permalink
Am I the only one here who doesn't understand any of that?
MathExtremist
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February 21st, 2011 at 4:11:45 PM permalink
Given all that, how do you make money?
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discflicker
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February 21st, 2011 at 4:37:35 PM permalink
good question, mathex, and thanks for taking the time to read it.

i am hoping to be able to sell the demos for people like DJ who want to sell their ideas but cant afford a $50,000 demo

i want to sell my system to developers to use as a rapid-prototyping tool to help them create new bets and to test these bets using my "betmaker" strategy tool

im eventually hoping to sell my "trueplacebet" just like DJ

eventually eventually, i might try to get my system approved for gaming and sell it to casinos

but if anyone will pay me, i will shoot jerry logan.

takers?
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
thecesspit
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February 21st, 2011 at 4:43:46 PM permalink
What I seriously think you need is for someone to translate your ideas and web pages into something much more succinct and marketable.

I really have trouble following what your trying to do, but think I get it. But as 1/3rd of my job (and skill set) is trying to work out what a technical wizard/ideas guy is trying to do I have an advantage....
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discflicker
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February 21st, 2011 at 4:58:10 PM permalink
I KNOW! I SUCK at describing stuff.. I ALWAYS go off into far too much detail and nobody can see my forests because of all the trees.

However, what I'm trying to sell is very complex.

Its like trying to sell somebody the concept of the OSF model of computer architecture... difficult to explain, elusive in purpose, and really high-tech. However, once in place, this model allows multiple vendors to collaborate and everyone benifits.

Its just like that.

THANK YOU for reading through it. It was not intended for low level readers.

BTW, your suggestion to try using my system to create a set of stragtegies to test DJs bet was a good one, and that is a service I want to start selling as well.
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JerryLogan
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February 21st, 2011 at 6:14:33 PM permalink
Geez, if you're looking to make money in the gaming business how about I introduce you to my pal Singer, and save all that stuff for the next generation?

I'm not belittling it, I'm just not nearly schooled enough to even begin to understand it.
thecesspit
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February 21st, 2011 at 6:21:54 PM permalink
Quote: discflicker

I KNOW! I SUCK at describing stuff.. I ALWAYS go off into far too much detail and nobody can see my forests because of all the trees.

However, what I'm trying to sell is very complex.



I find even the most complicated things can be broken down into a level where the reader can quickly ascertain if the subject matter is of interest. Or they find the targets in the relavant area and explain to them direct. I don't think your target market is on WoV, or if it is, they can't readily ascertain what it is you propose.

Indeed there's far too many trees, and possibly three different forests in what your proposing.

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Its like trying to sell somebody the concept of the OSF model of computer architecture... difficult to explain, elusive in purpose, and really high-tech. However, once in place, this model allows multiple vendors to collaborate and everyone benifits.



You see, I had to look up OSF, and I assume your talking about Air Traffic Control?

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Its just like that.

THANK YOU for reading through it. It was not intended for low level readers.

BTW, your suggestion to try using my system to create a set of stragtegies to test DJs bet was a good one, and that is a service I want to start selling as well.

"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
DJTeddyBear
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February 21st, 2011 at 6:23:59 PM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

Am I the only one here who doesn't understand any of that?


No.
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DJTeddyBear
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February 21st, 2011 at 6:28:10 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

I had to look up OSF...


In a prior post about this, I had to ask what "ABD" meant. DiscFlicker then admitted that it's a term he coined himself: All Bets Down.

I've yet to see a reason why he expects to have his "standards" be accepted by anyone, when he's busy creating new terms, abbreviating them and expecting readers to know what the hell he's talking about, rather than using an industry standard term such as "No More Bets."
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁 Note that the same could be said for Religion. I.E. Religion is nothing more than organized superstition. 🤗

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