zbrownson
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October 21st, 2026 at 1:59:45 PM permalink
Curious to get some people's thoughts on a hypothetical Baccarat rule.

If you had a baccarat game a winning 6 pays half and you had a choice of when you could draw, would you rather:
A. Stand on a 6 (knowing you have a semi-strong hand and don't want to risk it)
B. Draw on a 6 (because you want a chance for a full paying win)

Assume you don't know the bankers hand value or their drawing rules although you can assume it is similar to Baccarat.
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October 21st, 2026 at 2:26:08 PM permalink
I am getting that you expected return is much higher by drawing then by not drawing
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October 21st, 2026 at 2:36:06 PM permalink
this could be extra interesting if you saw the banker's first card but not second card.
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October 21st, 2026 at 5:04:53 PM permalink
Quote: zbrownson

Curious to get some people's thoughts on a hypothetical Baccarat rule.

If you had a baccarat game a winning 6 pays half and you had a choice of when you could draw, would you rather:
A. Stand on a 6 (knowing you have a semi-strong hand and don't want to risk it)
B. Draw on a 6 (because you want a chance for a full paying win)

Assume you don't know the bankers hand value or their drawing rules although you can assume it is similar to Baccarat.
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Drawing on a 6 is better. I calculated this exactly over an 8-deck shoe, covering every possible card combination, so the figures below have no sampling error.

Expected value (EV) per unit bet when the Player’s first two cards total 6:

Option EV given a two-card 6
A. Stand on 6 −2.85%
B. Draw on 6 +1.48%

Overall Player-bet EV, across all hands:

Policy Overall Player EV
Always stand on 6 −4.36%
Always draw on 6 −4.03%

This assumes normal banker drawing rules.
zbrownson
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October 21st, 2026 at 6:37:14 PM permalink
Quote: GrahamThorp

Quote: zbrownson

Curious to get some people's thoughts on a hypothetical Baccarat rule.

If you had a baccarat game a winning 6 pays half and you had a choice of when you could draw, would you rather:
A. Stand on a 6 (knowing you have a semi-strong hand and don't want to risk it)
B. Draw on a 6 (because you want a chance for a full paying win)

Assume you don't know the bankers hand value or their drawing rules although you can assume it is similar to Baccarat.
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Drawing on a 6 is better. I calculated this exactly over an 8-deck shoe, covering every possible card combination, so the figures below have no sampling error.

Expected value (EV) per unit bet when the Player’s first two cards total 6:

Option EV given a two-card 6
A. Stand on 6 −2.85%
B. Draw on 6 +1.48%

Overall Player-bet EV, across all hands:

Policy Overall Player EV
Always stand on 6 −4.36%
Always draw on 6 −4.03%

This assumes normal banker drawing rules.
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Yes, mathematically you are absolutely right, I was curious if peoples perception matched that though?
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October 21st, 2026 at 7:02:21 PM permalink
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Yes, mathematically you are absolutely right, I was curious if peoples perception matched that though?
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I would go as far as to say that you should only get information on what makes a good game from other game inventors here, because this forum's membership is so unrepresentative of the regular casino gamblers who do not care about mathematics.

If there was a 3:2 payout for a 3-card 9, I bet people would hit the 6 more.
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