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July 12th, 2023 at 5:33:25 AM permalink

We are putting the final touches on a new video poker game called Triple Three Card Stud and we wanted to share it to get some constructive feedback from this great community.

The game is a three card poker variant played in a multi-style format. Players are dealt a total of five cards vs a three-card dealer hand. The player uses the middle three cards for the first three card poker hand, the left most three cards for the second hand, and the right three cards for the last hand. Just like the popular three card poker game, the player decides to bet or fold each of the three hands and they are compared to the dealer's hand. Payouts follow the traditional pay scale, but as an added bonus, the game uses the five card hand from the dealt player cards and compares the results to a pay scale for another way to win.

Give the game a try and let us know what you think!

Triple Three Card Stud Poker
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July 12th, 2023 at 7:10:41 AM permalink
Currently, the software asks the player to make decisions on his three hands in this order: Middle, Left, Right

I would suggest changing the order of decisions to Left, Middle, Right.
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July 12th, 2023 at 7:29:50 AM permalink
I would suggest adding an action to "fold all hands", but do not enable it if any of the hands are above "High Card".

There might be a case for also offering a "play all hands" action.

I'm not a 3CP player, so these suggestions might not coincide with what your core players will want.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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July 12th, 2023 at 7:33:26 AM permalink
Thanks gordonm888. I like your suggestion.
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July 12th, 2023 at 7:35:26 AM permalink
Dieter, another great suggestion. When I get either a poor or great five card hand, it may be easier to hit one button instead of each individual button to play or fold all.
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July 12th, 2023 at 7:02:09 PM permalink
The third - center card positioned on the place 3/5 is The most important community one to be in all three hands.
It may be critical for play High Card for all three hands.
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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July 12th, 2023 at 8:47:20 PM permalink
Good game. Well done.

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July 13th, 2023 at 4:11:49 AM permalink
The optimum strategy and RTP may be slightly different from the original, classic Thee Card Poker
Do you have any thoughts?
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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July 13th, 2023 at 4:25:09 AM permalink
I noticed this while playing the other day. You will always play all three hands if you have an Ace or King in the middle position.
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July 13th, 2023 at 4:26:12 AM permalink
I noticed this while playing the other day. You will always play all three hands if you have an Ace or King in the middle position.

*Sorry about that. I forgot that I should reply to the actual post.
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July 13th, 2023 at 4:27:00 AM permalink
Quote: VladAlex1

The third - center card positioned on the place 3/5 is The most important community one to be in all three hands.
It may be critical for play High Card for all three hands.
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I noticed this while playing the other day. You will always play all three hands if you have an Ace or King in the middle position.
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July 13th, 2023 at 4:30:10 AM permalink
Quote: VladAlex1

The optimum strategy and RTP may be slightly different from the original, classic Thee Card Poker
Do you have any thoughts?
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Great question. The strategy is to play queen, six, four, so I'm assuming following that same strategy would be the best method. Anyone have any other thoughts on this?
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July 14th, 2023 at 11:12:27 AM permalink
^ I vaguely remember that seeing other people's cards can marginally affect your decision whether to call or fold, thus sometimes I can imagine better or worse Q-high should be called or folded depending on the other cards in the five you can see.

I notice the RTP is quoted as 99.74% while the payouts and rules for each hand are as regular 3CP (given 1x 4x 5x). As the HE in the UK is about 2.0% ( see https://www.ukcasinotablegames.info/poker.html ) have I missed something obvious or is there a real advantage from seeing two extra cards? Thanks
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July 14th, 2023 at 12:14:50 PM permalink
Quote: RealizeGaming

Quote: VladAlex1

The optimum strategy and RTP may be slightly different from the original, classic Thee Card Poker
Do you have any thoughts?
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Great question. The strategy is to play queen, six, four, so I'm assuming following that same strategy would be the best method. Anyone have any other thoughts on this?
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Just a heads up, maybe it is just a mistake in the game demo, but the info section listed the strategy as Q-4-3 (not Q-6-4).
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July 14th, 2023 at 12:34:40 PM permalink
I am also thinking it is a typo error
Traditionally, the optimal strategy for the game is to keep any hand that has at least a Q 6 4 in it while discarding everything weaker than this.
https://www.casino.org/blog/3-card-poker/
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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July 14th, 2023 at 3:04:48 PM permalink
I've been looking at some Q-high hands and can see you gradually fold more.
For simplicity I only looked at where the three suits were different, so other hands may differ slightly.

Once you have a 3-card hand, there are 1176 ways to for the other two cards.
This shows how many of those ways you fold, many of these are very marginal decisions!


As a quick rule
(i) Q76+ - always play
(ii) Q73+ - Play unless you have two low cards
(iii) Q53+ - Play with any A K or Q
(iv) Q43+ - Play with any A or K
(v) Q32+ - Play with two of AKQ
(vi) less than Q-high, always fold


Q76 - (0) always play
Q75 - (12) fold 22 33 55 (52)
Q74 - (106) fold both cards 7 or lower
Q73 - (341) also fold J-8 with 3-2
Q72 - (613) play any A K or Q plus a few other hands, usually where both cards are 8+
Q65 - (703) play any A K or Q
thru
Q54 - (703) play any A K or Q
Q53 - (730) play any A K or Q except Q5 or lower
Q52 - (817) play any A or K (except A2 K2) plus (Q6 Q7 Q8 Q9 fourth suit)
Q43 - (1009) play any A or K with a six or higher card
Q42 - (1121) play two or A K or Q
thru
Q32 - (1121) play two or A K or Q
JT8 - (1176) always fold
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July 16th, 2023 at 3:22:01 PM permalink
Quote: zbrownson

Quote: RealizeGaming

Quote: VladAlex1

The optimum strategy and RTP may be slightly different from the original, classic Thee Card Poker
Do you have any thoughts?
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Great question. The strategy is to play queen, six, four, so I'm assuming following that same strategy would be the best method. Anyone have any other thoughts on this?
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Just a heads up, maybe it is just a mistake in the game demo, but the info section listed the strategy as Q-4-3 (not Q-6-4).
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Thanks for the heads up. Yep, just a typo.
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July 16th, 2023 at 3:26:21 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

I've been looking at some Q-high hands and can see you gradually fold more.
For simplicity I only looked at where the three suits were different, so other hands may differ slightly.

Once you have a 3-card hand, there are 1176 ways to for the other two cards.
This shows how many of those ways you fold, many of these are very marginal decisions!


As a quick rule
(i) Q76+ - always play
(ii) Q73+ - Play unless you have two low cards
(iii) Q53+ - Play with any A K or Q
(iv) Q43+ - Play with any A or K
(v) Q32+ - Play with two of AKQ
(vi) less than Q-high, always fold


Q76 - (0) always play
Q75 - (12) fold 22 33 55 (52)
Q74 - (106) fold both cards 7 or lower
Q73 - (341) also fold J-8 with 3-2
Q72 - (613) play any A K or Q plus a few other hands, usually where both cards are 8+
Q65 - (703) play any A K or Q
thru
Q54 - (703) play any A K or Q
Q53 - (730) play any A K or Q except Q5 or lower
Q52 - (817) play any A or K (except A2 K2) plus (Q6 Q7 Q8 Q9 fourth suit)
Q43 - (1009) play any A or K with a six or higher card
Q42 - (1121) play two or A K or Q
thru
Q32 - (1121) play two or A K or Q
JT8 - (1176) always fold
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Wow! Impressive information. Thank you for running all those examples. I'm glad most are marginal decisions so if players make mistakes it won't totally kill them.
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July 26th, 2023 at 3:47:27 AM permalink
Game has been updated to include a "Play All" and "Fold All" button.

https://www.realizegamingllc.com/dev/triple_tcp_2/
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July 26th, 2023 at 8:30:02 AM permalink
Perhaps I'm mistaken but it seems that your demo game that you have linked to is treating all player high card hands as losses on all bets, no matter what the circumstance.

- when the dealer DNQ, the ante bets are not being paid.
- when the dealer qualifies with a high card hand but the player has a superior high card hand, it seems that that the player loses
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July 26th, 2023 at 9:12:50 AM permalink

I think it is a bug as well

Dealer DNQ

Left hand WIN
Ante $2
Play $1
K>J

Mid hand WIN
Ante $2
Play $1
J=J
8>4 Kicker card

Right hand WIN
Ante $2
Play $1
J=J
6>4 Kicker card
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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July 26th, 2023 at 10:05:58 AM permalink
^ btw in regular 3CP once the Dealer doesn't qualify the Player always wins the Ante regardless of the Player's hand. Thus it is irrelevant that J6 beats J4. The Ante bonus, if applicable, is also paid regardless of the Dealer's hand.

(I think there are some versions of 3CP, e.g Californian, where "the Ante wager receives action", so wins or loses depending on the relative hand values. But I'm guessing this doesn't apply to this game. As you should always fold less than Q-high, I'm guessing this rule is to prevent some hole-carding, as it doesn't affect the technical House Edge but does hinder those playing blind.)
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July 26th, 2023 at 11:06:20 AM permalink
Californian places show one dealer card face up but I don't think that Ante wager receives action.
but no Ante bonus
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July 26th, 2023 at 11:09:53 AM permalink
Thanks charliepatrick



the Dealer doesn't qualify
Player (Q) beats Dealer(J)
Ante win $2
Play Push $1



the Dealer doesn't qualify
Player (10) does not beat the Dealer(J)...BUT layer will win even money on the Ante bet and the Play bet will push
Ante win $2
Play Push $1

the Dealer doesn't qualify two cases illustrated
If the dealer does not qualify then the player will win even money on the Ante bet and the Play bet will push.
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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July 26th, 2023 at 11:24:40 AM permalink
Play for free an original classic TCP link
https://nj-casino.goldennuggetcasino.com/games/table-games/three-card-poker-html5/play/free/
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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July 26th, 2023 at 11:42:30 AM permalink
Quote: JoeTheDragon

Californian places show one dealer card face up but I don't think that Ante wager receives action.
but no Ante bonus
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I got the info via google and it confirms
Dealing Procedures 2.1(a) : one of the Dealer's card is face up.
Round Of Play 5 (b) : "If the player-dealers hand did NOT qualify, the Ante wager receives action. If the player did not fold and their hand ranks higher than the player-dealers hand, the player shall be paid even money. If the player-dealers hand ranks higher than the players hand, the wager shall be a push and returned to the player. "
- https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/gambling/BGC_three_card_poker.pdf
This probably explains why I've seen strategies, presumably for hole-carding or this game, based on seeing one card where the Ante isn't an automatic winner when DNQ.
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July 26th, 2023 at 12:27:26 PM permalink
Playing the original link
https://realizegamingllc.com/demo/triple_tcp/


It looks correct
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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July 26th, 2023 at 12:41:06 PM permalink
Playing the original link
https://realizegamingllc.com/demo/triple_tcp/
Looks all right
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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July 26th, 2023 at 3:45:02 PM permalink
Quote: JoeTheDragon

Californian places show one dealer card face up but I don't think that Ante wager receives action.
but no Ante bonus
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Correct Joe. I've also seen this version in a number of places.
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July 26th, 2023 at 3:48:42 PM permalink
We have two links updated. Hopefully, they are correct. If you notice anything else, please let me know and thanks to everyone for trying the demo.

Public version:
https://realizegamingllc.com/demo/triple_tcp/

Choose your hand development version:
https://www.realizegamingllc.com/dev/triple_tcp_2/
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July 26th, 2023 at 3:49:43 PM permalink
Quote: VladAlex1

Thanks charliepatrick



the Dealer doesn't qualify
Player (Q) beats Dealer(J)
Ante win $2
Play Push $1



the Dealer doesn't qualify
Player (10) does not beat the Dealer(J)...BUT layer will win even money on the Ante bet and the Play bet will push
Ante win $2
Play Push $1

the Dealer doesn't qualify two cases illustrated
If the dealer does not qualify then the player will win even money on the Ante bet and the Play bet will push.
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Looks like you have been playing on Draftkings!
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July 26th, 2023 at 4:20:41 PM permalink
It still has a functional problem. when dealer qualifies with a high card hand, but player has better high card hands that win against dealer, the demo game doesn't credit player with wins.
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July 26th, 2023 at 4:50:55 PM permalink
I'm thinking your program has a bug:
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July 26th, 2023 at 5:11:03 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

It still has a functional problem. when dealer qualifies with a high card hand, but player has better high card hands that win against dealer, the demo game doesn't credit player with wins.
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It looks correct
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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July 27th, 2023 at 6:19:47 AM permalink
I was playing a different version with different display graphics! I guess I had the wrong link? Closer to the version that teliot is showing.
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July 27th, 2023 at 8:22:18 AM permalink
Refresh your window
https://realizegamingllc.com/demo/triple_tcp/
Get $100,000 at you balance as a new game starts indication.

teliot probably did not refreshed game and get weird numbers in the mid of update time

This is just a demo game to illustrate an Idea
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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July 28th, 2023 at 6:52:30 PM permalink
Please see Wizard page on California variant of Three Card Poker.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/face-up-three-card-poker/
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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