YouDontSay00
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February 17th, 2021 at 6:05:04 PM permalink
I was looking at ags table games. Is Jackpot Holdem patented. It seems very similar to Ultimate Texas Holdem. Also Vegas 3 very similar to 3 card poker. Is shuffle master patent expired or can games be that similar ?
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February 17th, 2021 at 6:59:38 PM permalink
Quote: YouDontSay00

I was looking at ags table games. Is Jackpot Holdem patented. It seems very similar to Ultimate Texas Holdem. Also Vegas 3 very similar to 3 card poker. Is shuffle master patent expired or can games be that similar ?


AGS's Vegas 3 has a community card that 3 Card Poker doesn't - that should make it different enough.
YouDontSay00
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February 17th, 2021 at 7:22:04 PM permalink
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AGS's Vegas 3 has a community card that 3 Card Poker doesn't - that should make it different enough.



Is that all it takes is one community card. To get around a patent and get one of your own? It is just used for the vegas 4 optional sidebet correct? Did they get a patent on Vegas 3 before they changed the rules for table game patents in 2015? How about Jackpot Holdem?
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February 17th, 2021 at 7:24:32 PM permalink
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Is that all it takes is one community card. To get around a patent and get one of your own? It is just used for the vegas 4 optional sidebet correct? Did they get a patent on Vegas 3 before they changed the rules for table game patents in 2015? How about Jackpot Holdem?



If a single claim in a patent differentiates it enough it can be considered a different game. The claims in a patent are the only things enforceable.
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YouDontSay00
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February 17th, 2021 at 7:43:01 PM permalink
Thank You. That makes sense. A little cheesy to do, but I guess if it works. Did this game received much placement in casinos. I was wondering if someone could give me a list of a few popular table games that have been patented since 2015 patent rule change. Thanks
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February 17th, 2021 at 8:01:30 PM permalink
If you look up the patent for three card poker, it expired in 2015. I believe anyone is free to use the basic rule set in a game.
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February 17th, 2021 at 8:15:11 PM permalink
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If you look up the patent for three card poker, it expired in 2015. I believe anyone is free to use the basic rule set in a game.



I guess I knew that. Has the patent for ultimate holdem expired? Jackpot Holdem seems closer to ultimate than vegas 3 seems to 3 card poker. I guess it would still depend on the claim making it different or does a patent need to run out to tweak a game?
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February 18th, 2021 at 12:55:03 AM permalink
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I guess I knew that. Has the patent for ultimate holdem expired? Jackpot Holdem seems closer to ultimate than vegas 3 seems to 3 card poker. I guess it would still depend on the claim making it different or does a patent need to run out to tweak a game?



In jackpot holdem the maximum raise is 3x (vs. 4x for UTH) and you can make a 3x raise after one of the flop cards is exposed. That makes the sufficiently different to avoid a patent infringement.
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February 18th, 2021 at 4:18:47 AM permalink
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... A little cheesy to do, but I guess if it works...

Actually, it痴 a LOT cheesy, but corporate greed isn稚 concerned with cheese, just if they can get away with it.

How many different versions of Texas Hold Em exist as table games? Need I say more?
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February 18th, 2021 at 4:54:04 AM permalink
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