YouDontSay00
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February 17th, 2021 at 6:05:04 PM permalink
I was looking at ags table games. Is Jackpot Holdem patented. It seems very similar to Ultimate Texas Holdem. Also Vegas 3 very similar to 3 card poker. Is shuffle master patent expired or can games be that similar ?
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February 17th, 2021 at 6:59:38 PM permalink
Quote: YouDontSay00

I was looking at ags table games. Is Jackpot Holdem patented. It seems very similar to Ultimate Texas Holdem. Also Vegas 3 very similar to 3 card poker. Is shuffle master patent expired or can games be that similar ?


AGS's Vegas 3 has a community card that 3 Card Poker doesn't - that should make it different enough.
YouDontSay00
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February 17th, 2021 at 7:22:04 PM permalink
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AGS's Vegas 3 has a community card that 3 Card Poker doesn't - that should make it different enough.



Is that all it takes is one community card. To get around a patent and get one of your own? It is just used for the vegas 4 optional sidebet correct? Did they get a patent on Vegas 3 before they changed the rules for table game patents in 2015? How about Jackpot Holdem?
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February 17th, 2021 at 7:24:32 PM permalink
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Is that all it takes is one community card. To get around a patent and get one of your own? It is just used for the vegas 4 optional sidebet correct? Did they get a patent on Vegas 3 before they changed the rules for table game patents in 2015? How about Jackpot Holdem?



If a single claim in a patent differentiates it enough it can be considered a different game. The claims in a patent are the only things enforceable.
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February 17th, 2021 at 7:43:01 PM permalink
Thank You. That makes sense. A little cheesy to do, but I guess if it works. Did this game received much placement in casinos. I was wondering if someone could give me a list of a few popular table games that have been patented since 2015 patent rule change. Thanks
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February 17th, 2021 at 8:01:30 PM permalink
If you look up the patent for three card poker, it expired in 2015. I believe anyone is free to use the basic rule set in a game.
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February 17th, 2021 at 8:15:11 PM permalink
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If you look up the patent for three card poker, it expired in 2015. I believe anyone is free to use the basic rule set in a game.



I guess I knew that. Has the patent for ultimate holdem expired? Jackpot Holdem seems closer to ultimate than vegas 3 seems to 3 card poker. I guess it would still depend on the claim making it different or does a patent need to run out to tweak a game?
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February 18th, 2021 at 12:55:03 AM permalink
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I guess I knew that. Has the patent for ultimate holdem expired? Jackpot Holdem seems closer to ultimate than vegas 3 seems to 3 card poker. I guess it would still depend on the claim making it different or does a patent need to run out to tweak a game?



In jackpot holdem the maximum raise is 3x (vs. 4x for UTH) and you can make a 3x raise after one of the flop cards is exposed. That makes the sufficiently different to avoid a patent infringement.
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February 18th, 2021 at 4:18:47 AM permalink
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... A little cheesy to do, but I guess if it works...

Actually, it痴 a LOT cheesy, but corporate greed isn稚 concerned with cheese, just if they can get away with it.

How many different versions of Texas Hold Em exist as table games? Need I say more?
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February 18th, 2021 at 4:54:04 AM permalink
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March 1st, 2021 at 7:58:18 PM permalink
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If a single claim in a patent differentiates it enough it can be considered a different game. The claims in a patent are the only things enforceable.



This is why I think a patent isn稚 even really worth it, regardless of whether or not you can get one these days. You値l spend an enormous amount of money for the patent and someone can find a way to easily rip you off anyways.

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