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January 24th, 2021 at 7:33:41 AM permalink
When selling a new game for online play, can the game developer go directly to the online casino, or do they need to go through an igaming company?
For example, would the developer be able to bring the game right to the Golden Nugget, or would they have to go through a company like SG or IGT?
DO online casinos have their own game developers or do they source from third parties?
It seems that Draftkings has its own in house team producing the games, does anyone have knowledge on this?
Thanks for the info...
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February 9th, 2021 at 4:27:42 PM permalink
Would like to know this answer as well. If anyone can provide?
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February 9th, 2021 at 6:27:17 PM permalink
Quote: maxpower

When selling a new game for online play, can the game developer go directly to the online casino, or do they need to go through an igaming company?
For example, would the developer be able to bring the game right to the Golden Nugget, or would they have to go through a company like SG or IGT?
DO online casinos have their own game developers or do they source from third parties?
It seems that Draftkings has its own in house team producing the games, does anyone have knowledge on this?
Thanks for the info...



Most online casinos license their software from one of the major manufacturers. Some definitely have their own developers. Draftkings does have their own programmers as I have met with them. They now have a development team in Las Vegas.
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February 9th, 2021 at 7:48:28 PM permalink
Sounds like an impossible nut to crack
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February 9th, 2021 at 8:25:22 PM permalink
Quote: maxpower

When selling a new game for online play, can the game developer go directly to the online casino, or do they need to go through an igaming company?
For example, would the developer be able to bring the game right to the Golden Nugget, or would they have to go through a company like SG or IGT?
DO online casinos have their own game developers or do they source from third parties?
It seems that Draftkings has its own in house team producing the games, does anyone have knowledge on this?
Thanks for the info...



Most online casinos get games from various software vendors. Few develop their own games. I would instead go to the software developers, however I think you'll not have much success. They generally wait for a game to work in the land casinos and then steal it.
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March 5th, 2021 at 6:59:25 PM permalink
How do they steal the game once it is in a casino? Please excuse my naivete. Wouldn't they be able to just steal it when I present it to them?
Does a PCT and Design patent mean nothing?
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March 5th, 2021 at 7:04:57 PM permalink
Would you have any recommendations for a manufacturer? The submission process for SG seems pretty straightforward, IGT not so much...
Who are the best companies to work with as a new game developer? I know it's a tough business and everyone thinks they have a winner until they get it in front of the decision-makers. There have to be a few companies that are looking for new work from new companies...
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March 5th, 2021 at 7:05:07 PM permalink
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How do they steal the game once it is in a casino? Please excuse my naivete. Wouldn't they be able to just steal it when I present it to them?
Does a PCT and Design patent mean nothing?



Let them steal it, earn money on it, then sue them for that money.
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March 5th, 2021 at 7:08:08 PM permalink
How do they steal the idea when it is patent-pending?
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March 5th, 2021 at 7:34:49 PM permalink
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How do they steal the idea when it is patent-pending?



You are correct, anyone is free to use it until the actual patent is issued. That is why many people don't publicly disclose until the patent is issued. A typical patent is issued in 18 months to 36 months.
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March 5th, 2021 at 7:38:45 PM permalink
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How do they steal the game once it is in a casino? Please excuse my naivete. Wouldn't they be able to just steal it when I present it to them?
Does a PCT and Design patent mean nothing?



If the patent hasn't issued you can ask them to sign a non-disclosure agreement. Although many casinos and manufacturers will refuse.
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March 5th, 2021 at 7:58:14 PM permalink
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Does a PCT and Design patent mean nothing?



Your patent is issued in the USA and the online casino is based in Malta. So, no, it carries no weight.
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March 5th, 2021 at 9:10:22 PM permalink
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Your patent is issued in the USA and the online casino is based in Malta. So, no, it carries no weight.



Do you need a patent in every country? Do you need a patent to sell table games?
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March 5th, 2021 at 9:15:57 PM permalink
SG says they won't even look at your submission unless you have a patent or patent application number.
We have an application number, seems like it would be a headache for them to try to steal it.
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March 5th, 2021 at 9:18:19 PM permalink
We filed a PCT patent which protects us in Malta.
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March 5th, 2021 at 9:19:06 PM permalink
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SG says they won't even look at your submission unless you have a patent or patent application number.
We have an application number, seems like it would be a headache for them to try to steal it.



Very good to know! Getting a patent sounds tough but getting a patent for every county sounds like it's not even worth getting your games over seas or am I wrong?
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March 6th, 2021 at 7:39:50 AM permalink
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Very good to know! Getting a patent sounds tough but getting a patent for every county sounds like it's not even worth getting your games over seas or am I wrong?



Getting a patent for every country would be silly. If it was me I would concentrate on the EU and USA.
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March 7th, 2021 at 10:12:13 AM permalink
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Getting a patent for every country would be silly. If it was me I would concentrate on the EU and USA.



I forgot about this thread after all the excitement. So you can get a patent for the entire European Union? Does that include all of Europe? Is it cheaper to get the EU or USA patent?
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March 7th, 2021 at 10:37:24 AM permalink
I don't think it covers all of Europe, but a good number of them. Very expensive since there is a ton of other work that foreign patents require of you. I don't recall all the specifics, but my patent attorney scared me away from it. I think it would be best to pick and choose which places to file if you are going to file overseas, but just my opinion.
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March 7th, 2021 at 10:46:36 AM permalink
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I don't think it covers all of Europe, but a good number of them. Very expensive since there is a ton of other work that foreign patents require of you. I don't recall all the specifics, but my patent attorney scared me away from it. I think it would be best to pick and choose which places to file if you are going to file overseas, but just my opinion.



There is way too much information to know just to sell a casino game. Applying for a patent does not sound fun in the slightest. The more I learn about this industry the more concerned I become about wanting to enter the competition. Is it possible to make money from casino table games that don't have patents?
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March 7th, 2021 at 10:49:32 AM permalink
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There is way too much information to know just to sell a casino game.



Me thinks HokusPokus is just stringing Forum folks along.
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March 7th, 2021 at 11:04:45 AM permalink
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There is way too much information to know just to sell a casino game. Applying for a patent does not sound fun in the slightest. The more I learn about this industry the more concerned I become about wanting to enter the competition. Is it possible to make money from casino table games that don't have patents?



patent is usually a type of protection from people stealing your game - although from everything else you read people will try to steal it no matter what by adding a new feature on.

this protection is coming from the US government so when you go to court you have the proof you made the invention first or whatever you are going to court for - the government has your back apparently

this is needed for when selling a table game to the company so that they can be assured that when they invest in your product someone wont "steal" your idea

but

you have to think about all the features or "variations" or "future iterations" before you file the patent to make it difficult to "steal" it

btw when you "patent" something you are actually giving it to the world this is one thing i did not understand before trying to patent something.

you spend your career keeping something secret only to find out you are giving it to the world for a monopoly - their (USPTO) word not mine
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March 7th, 2021 at 11:10:34 AM permalink
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Me thinks HokusPokus is just stringing Forum folks along.



it would be funny if it were nathan
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March 7th, 2021 at 11:15:34 AM permalink
once again i suggest to you - do something simple

a game is just something you make up that has rules - your imagination is what is the fuel - and your limbs are what help the game come to life

grab a marker and a piece of cardboard and make a game for your kids on it or something

its a world you create and you are god - it doesnt have to be a casino game - why do you want to specifically make a casino game to begin with?
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