Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em: Face up cards?

Q8 off suit is already a raise so of course seeing two dead cards it would still be a raise
Q6 off you would need 10 dead cards to shift your strategy 2 dead cards isn’t good enough even the extreme example of one ace and one king

Yes I can put as many dead cards as I want in poker cruncher

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Let me try to understand you first. So, you used poker cruncher to calculate the raise/check decision when there are 10 dead cards. Right? Can you calculate this when there are only two dead cards?
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If I hold Q8 and my left neighbor holds 87, should I raise? It seems to me you say something different from what I do. Thank you in advance!

That’s a check.

That means I am right. We can think this way. There should be 1.2 Q or 8 in every 10 dead cards on average, so if there is only one 8 in these many dead cards, we still should raise. Therefore, everything is consistent. So, what have you been questioning?

I was replying to someone that said two cards would flip a marginal case like Q6 is all
Thanks for the replies and help regardless though

Still a bit skeptical in general that 10 dead cards only gets the game to break even, it seems so significant to me while playing

I was replying to someone that said two cards would flip a marginal case like Q6 is all
Thanks for the replies and help regardless though

Still a bit skeptical in general that 10 dead cards only gets the game to break even, it seems so significant to me while playing

I am very interested in this app, Poker Cruncher. Can it really calculate Ultimate Texas Hold’em poker hand situations? UTH and Texas Hold’em poker are still very different.

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I would like to post some screen shots not sure how to but on poker cruncher if player has A2 10 dead cards two of them being dueces player would have 53.7% equity against dealers two random cards

If we switched the two dead dueces with two dead aces player would have 52.2% equity

That’s an extreme example and still only 1.5% that’s where I made my broad conclusion from that they are relativelty equal

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If you have A2 a dead ace and a dead deuce are fairly equal because the dealer having an ace would be bad for you

Are there a lot of chops ace high versus ace high sure, but the dealer having ace is a disaster and the dealer having a duece is great so that’s why
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I have done the math on this and they are not fairly equal. With an A2 much of your hand's equity comes from the prospect of pairing your Ace, and seeing an ace in someone else's hand reduces that equity by roughly 25%.

If you have done calculations, please show us your results. Otherwise, you are just handwaving, and I claim you have reached an erroneous conclusion.
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I don't agree; I think you've missed something important.

UTH is not the same game as Texas Hold'em poker. In UTH the dealer DOES NOT QUALIFY unless he has a pair. With A2, if you pair your deuce the only dealer hands you can beat are high card hands - but those hands DON'T QUALIFY. If you pair your Ace when holding A2 you can beat 22 pair - KK pair which are like 45% of the dealer hands and those hands all qualify! The difference is large. Use an on-line UTH calculator, not a standard poker calculator.

Also, you are quoting an A2 hand with 10 dead cards. If you've chosen your ten dead cards to not include any 3's, 4's, or 5's then you've artificially increased the chances of making a 5432A straight which may be screwing up your EVs. Try calculating K2 rather than A2 and I suspect you'll see a difference.

Well the ante bet is what doesn’t qualify and that bet is already made regardless and doesn’t change. The decision is what to do with the play bet which qualifies always.

Anyway thanks for the reply, is there a UTH calculator with dead card feature ?