New Game field trial "Poker with a Joker"
January 12th, 2016 at 9:07:53 PM
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I just wrote up a page on Poker with a Joker. As always, I welcome questions, comments, and especially corrections.
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January 12th, 2016 at 10:17:35 PM
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You are not on your own with the game's strategy. Like the Government, we are here to help......
There is a verified strategy for it, and it is on the Rack card for the game at Green Valley Ranch. It is the "Stations Strategy" (as we call it):
1. With a pat hand (five card flush, straight, full house, Royal, Five of a kind) keep hand and Raise 3x. (Obvious).
2. Four to a flush or outside straight, or a pair of 8's or better, keep the high pair or the draw and raise 3x.
3. Four to an inside straight, or a pair of 7's down to a Queen high with no draw, call 1x"
4. Jack-high or less and there is no draw, fold. (about 1% of the time).
this strategy is within 1% of optimal.
There is a verified strategy for it, and it is on the Rack card for the game at Green Valley Ranch. It is the "Stations Strategy" (as we call it):
1. With a pat hand (five card flush, straight, full house, Royal, Five of a kind) keep hand and Raise 3x. (Obvious).
2. Four to a flush or outside straight, or a pair of 8's or better, keep the high pair or the draw and raise 3x.
3. Four to an inside straight, or a pair of 7's down to a Queen high with no draw, call 1x"
4. Jack-high or less and there is no draw, fold. (about 1% of the time).
this strategy is within 1% of optimal.
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January 13th, 2016 at 1:24:19 AM
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Quote: Paigowdanthis strategy is within 1% of optimal.
Thank you. 1% of the house edge or Element of Risk?
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January 13th, 2016 at 8:28:29 AM
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Is the secondary initial wager called "Blind" or "Bonus". It is referred to as "Blind" in the text rules, but then the pay table refers to the "Bonus" pay table.
January 13th, 2016 at 8:37:39 AM
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Quote: ParadigmIs the secondary initial wager called "Blind" or "Bonus". It is referred to as "Blind" in the text rules, but then the pay table refers to the "Bonus" pay table.
Thanks. It is called the "Bonus" bet. It works exactly the same way as the Blind bet in Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em.
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January 13th, 2016 at 8:45:44 AM
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Do player's choosing to discard do so face up? If so, is there some advantage to dropping last if you have a small pat hand that could benefit from a draw? Along the same line, is player sharing of hand info actively discouraged? I have been at some PGP tables where players were basically playing face up, and the dealer did nothing to stop them.
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January 13th, 2016 at 11:11:04 AM
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Quote: AyecarumbaDo player's choosing to discard do so face up? If so, is there some advantage to dropping last if you have a small pat hand that could benefit from a draw? Along the same line, is player sharing of hand info actively discouraged? I have been at some PGP tables where players were basically playing face up, and the dealer did nothing to stop them.
I haven't had the chance to play it yet, but the discard is probably face down. In this game, I suspect the benefit of collusion is probably marginal and not enough to overcome the house edge. I'm sure Teliot can speak to this question better than me.
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January 13th, 2016 at 3:24:22 PM
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Okay, I share my cards with my friends. I'm thinking of raising a four-flush or outside straight, but see my outs in their hands, so I fold. Or, I am wondering which card to toss from a pair, so I look at my friends cards to see which outs they have against my singletons. Or a friend has the joker, so I know the dealer and common cards are joker-free. Yeah, I can see it. It might flip to the player side. On the down side, the players are seeing at most 6x5 = 30 cards out of 53. It's not like High Card Flush's 6x7 = 42 cards out of 52. Or Double Draw Poker's 49 cards out of 54. Maybe Stephen How will take a crack.Quote: WizardIn this game, I suspect the benefit of collusion is probably marginal and not enough to overcome the house edge. I'm sure Teliot can speak to this question better than me.
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January 13th, 2016 at 7:14:50 PM
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I played this game and it's one of my favorite table games now. It's very fun.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 14th, 2016 at 9:08:10 AM
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Were they picky about players sharing hand info?Quote: AxelWolfI played this game and it's one of my favorite table games now. It's very fun.
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January 16th, 2016 at 2:45:53 AM
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Why, I never!!!!Quote: AyecarumbaWere they picky about players sharing hand info?
I believe at the time It was still fairly new and they weren't to concerned with that, however as we all know this type of stuff changes on a whim.
Again the game seems to be more fun than UTH with less variance. It has a decision making element, wild card excitement and a chance to get a nice pay off. They need to find a way to introduce it to the UTH players. I would call it Ultimate poker with a joker or something like that.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 11th, 2019 at 7:35:17 AM
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This game has been added to the table game selection at Suncoast, it opened Friday, August 9th if anyone wants to give it a try.
March 22nd, 2020 at 5:22:38 PM
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With this game increasing its placements, I want to learn the strategy and play it. It seems fun and simple enough. Unfortunately, I can't find an online demo so I'll probably make some play mats and try it with my poker group. I did, however, run across this Vegas Aces produced promo video...
Question: Does anyone know if you can still bet on the dealer's 7-card hand?
Question: Does anyone know if you can still bet on the dealer's 7-card hand?
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
March 22nd, 2020 at 11:08:43 PM
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Interesting. This is different than Pai Gow Poker: You must use at least 4 of your first 5 cards; if you don't have a made 5-card hand, then you discard one card and then are able to use one of the two newly-revealed common cards. There is one joker which is completely wild.
And you make an ante and bonus bet and the bonus bet bet only pays on a straight or higher according to a pay table.
Key decision #1 will be: Fold vs Play after seeing your first five cards. The crux will be- which high card hands do you fold? It will depend not only on what your highest card is, but whether you have other reasonably high cards with potential to make some decently high pairs. Of course, any 1 card straight or flush draws will probably be held as well.
Key decision #2: Which card to discard? Almost always your lowest un-paired card, except when you have a 1-card straight or flush draw.
The only tough decisions will be do you break up a pair to draw to a straight, flush or straight flush? It will depend upon how high the pair, but with the bonus pay-table you will probably always draw to a 4-card flush (and usually to a 2-way straight draw.)
And you make an ante and bonus bet and the bonus bet bet only pays on a straight or higher according to a pay table.
Key decision #1 will be: Fold vs Play after seeing your first five cards. The crux will be- which high card hands do you fold? It will depend not only on what your highest card is, but whether you have other reasonably high cards with potential to make some decently high pairs. Of course, any 1 card straight or flush draws will probably be held as well.
Key decision #2: Which card to discard? Almost always your lowest un-paired card, except when you have a 1-card straight or flush draw.
The only tough decisions will be do you break up a pair to draw to a straight, flush or straight flush? It will depend upon how high the pair, but with the bonus pay-table you will probably always draw to a 4-card flush (and usually to a 2-way straight draw.)
Last edited by: gordonm888 on Mar 23, 2020
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March 23rd, 2020 at 3:32:40 AM
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I played this when they were doing the field trail out at Green Valley Ranch. I liked the game I thought it should do well.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 23rd, 2020 at 7:12:01 PM
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Does anyone know: "the House Way" for this game?
I think the major tension in the discard decision is when you must decide between drawing to a pair or drawing to a straight flush
For example,
1. if dealer has 2h2s -3s4s5s does dealer draw to the pair of twos or the straight flush draw?
2. Or dealer has AhAs-2s3s5s. Draw to the inside straight flush draw or to the pair of Aces?
I think the major tension in the discard decision is when you must decide between drawing to a pair or drawing to a straight flush
For example,
1. if dealer has 2h2s -3s4s5s does dealer draw to the pair of twos or the straight flush draw?
2. Or dealer has AhAs-2s3s5s. Draw to the inside straight flush draw or to the pair of Aces?
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
March 23rd, 2020 at 7:41:11 PM
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Link to page 3 post.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
March 25th, 2020 at 5:24:31 PM
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In the Wild 5 Poker game, which is the subject of the above video, the player and dealer can only use one of the community cards after discarding a card. In the post by the late Paigowdan on page 3 or 4 of this thread , he said that both community cards can be used in "Poker with a Joker" when forming a five card hand.
Do I understand this correctly? Does Wild 5 Poker have different rules than Poker with a Joker?
Do I understand this correctly? Does Wild 5 Poker have different rules than Poker with a Joker?
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March 25th, 2020 at 7:34:21 PM
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Both community cards can be used if you discard one card, so at that point you are making your best 5 card hand out of the 6 available cards.
March 26th, 2020 at 8:07:04 AM
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Quote: bwBoth community cards can be used if you discard one card, so at that point you are making your best 5 card hand out of the 6 available cards.
The Wild 5 Poker video says " Just like the player, the dealer is allowed to discard a card and use a community card as a a replacement."
That 's a strange way to explain a game in which you can use both community cards to create the best 5 card hand out of the 6 available cards.
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March 26th, 2020 at 12:27:54 PM
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Quote: gordonm888The Wild 5 Poker video says " Just like the player, the dealer is allowed to discard a card and use a community card as a a replacement."
That 's a strange way to explain a game in which you can use both community cards to create the best 5 card hand out of the 6 available cards.
Yeah, I think you're right. Better phrasing, assuming that's their intent, might be "after discarding one card, player may use one or both community cards to form their hand".
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
January 31st, 2023 at 5:57:52 PM
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Does anyone know if Wild 5 Poker still has any active placements anywhere?
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January 31st, 2023 at 8:52:28 PM
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Quote: gordonm888Does anyone know if Wild 5 Poker still has any active placements anywhere?
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When last I checked, it had a table at the Suncoast, but it was in a pit that was seldom open.
I know the owner of the game, if it's important to get an answer to this question.
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January 31st, 2023 at 9:05:08 PM
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Aliante Casino has it?? streamers have played it from there.
November 2nd, 2023 at 12:44:30 AM
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Nice to see a PaiGowDan post even after all these years.
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