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allinriverking
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August 26th, 2014 at 10:59:12 PM permalink
Applied for provisional, don't know if a full patent could be worked from this later, with all the talk of game patents being turned down.

After hearing from many players over the past 10 years, that they don't bet Hardways because they are sucker bets, house edge is too high, and so on.

I thought of True-Odds Parlayed Hardways(SM), to encourage players to play them. They go like this:

EDIT: Get paid true-odds on your winning Hardway Bet, if your Hardway Bet hits a second time. Maximum amount that may be bet to win true-odds payout is limited to an amount equal to a true parlay. EDIT:

True-odds pay 10 to 1 on a winning Hard 6 or 8 Bet; and 8 to 1 on a winning Hard 4 or 10 Bet.

If a Hardway Bet wins a true-odds payout, that wager will only be eligible to win a regular payout amount going forward, until that wager is paid a regular winning payout again; after which that wager will be eligible for a true-odds payout again.

A small disc labeled “TRUE” is placed on top of any parlayed Hardway Bet, to distinguish that Hardway Bet doesn’t win a regular payout; but instead a true-odds payout.

A player may wager an additional amount over a parlayed amount; this overage amount will only be eligible to win a regular payout amount.

Example: Player has $1 Hard 6 Bet, Hard 6 hits, Player presses Hard 6 Bet to $20. $10 is eligible for a true-odds payout of 10 to 1, and $10 is eligible to win the regular payout amount. The disc labeled “TRUE” is placed on top of $10 and the other $10 is placed on top of that disc.

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I look forward to Craps player input.. Thanks
Scotty71
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August 26th, 2014 at 11:51:44 PM permalink
I'd play it for fun I like to play hard 4 & 10 for some reason. I wouldn't want to be a dealer with this though. I think it would slow down the game even more as dealers "pitch" the true odds parlay offer to winners on the hard way and have to explain to the bet a lot.
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allinriverking
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August 27th, 2014 at 9:11:11 AM permalink
Quote: Scotty71

I'd play it for fun I like to play hard 4 & 10 for some reason. I wouldn't want to be a dealer with this though. I think it would slow down the game even more as dealers "pitch" the true odds parlay offer to winners on the hard way and have to explain to the bet a lot.



As a Craps Dealer myself, after u explain once, everyone will get it. It will be automatic true-odds, if player presses their winning amount up to a true parlay. you don't even have to ask them, because they aren't giving anything up for doing so.. They must press it though when the base dealer is paying them their winning payout. If a true-odds payout is made, the dealer then just takes the "TRUE" disc off of the bet, signifying the next time that portion of bet wins it wins the regular payout. If you offered this to guests over another casino that doesn't, I think players would choose to play these. This also could get people that don't play hardways to maybe throw a buck or two.
mustangsally
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August 27th, 2014 at 9:31:07 AM permalink
Quote: allinriverking

As a Craps Dealer myself, after u explain once, everyone will get it.

hahahahahaha
and you really believe that! hehe
sucker bets

my mistake as you did not say what KIND of a Craps Dealer you are
sorry abouts thats
Quote: allinriverking

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If you offered this to guests over another casino that doesn't, I think players would choose to play these.

I think not. and why would the casino want this bet?
they pay you how much per day to offer this bet to players?

I have made two hardway bets in my life and both lost.
major sucker bets.
only the extreme lucky person ever will be a lifetime winner making those bets.
in my opinions
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This also could get people that don't play hardways to maybe throw a buck or two.

they throw a buck or two to the dealers,
now you want those to go to the hardway bets and what is in it for the house again?

another true odds bet?
or another sucker bet,
yep yep, yap, yap

Thank you for the experience
I bet you are actually holding back the BETTER Craps bets to offer.
patent problems?

Sally
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allinriverking
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August 27th, 2014 at 9:41:11 AM permalink
Sorry Sally, your luck with hardways hasn't been good. The idea was to make them better, to make the hardways a more pleasurable experience for players, maybe even entice them to play them, knowing after they win on one they could press it and get a higher payout if it hits again... I make most my money as a craps dealer, for taking care of my players. I make sure they come back on their bets when they fall. Even offering people bets that they don't normally make and they win, I get part of their payout as a thank you. So as far as what kinda craps dealer I am... I get two way hardways all day, sometimes player control ones. Now I have a chance to have my bet parlayed and the house edge will be taking away on the next payout.. Dealers could actually stand to fare better with these bets...
allinriverking
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August 27th, 2014 at 11:21:35 AM permalink
After reading posts, maybe I didn't clearly state this, a player doesn't have to press any of their winnings when the hardway wins, the players original hardway bet will qualify to win true-odds payout, if the hardway hits again. the parlay is an option for them, it's a max bet limit set to receive true-odds. Example: player bets $5 hard 6, hard 6 hits, player wins $45, player leaves the $5 hard 6 bet alone, hard 6 hits again, player wins $50, player leaves the $5 hard 6 bet alone, hard 6 hits again, player wins $45, seven out, player's hard 6 loses.
RS
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August 27th, 2014 at 1:29:44 PM permalink
Hardways would be much more attractive, I think, if they did not lose on the easy way being rolled, only losing on 7, and getting paid 9:2 (or 4.5:1).
Dicenor33
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August 27th, 2014 at 2:00:36 PM permalink
All these talks of good bets, bad bets etc. somehow means that there are people who win and there are people who loose. Personally I don't know anyone who wins at casinos on a constant basis, even though they make the "right" bets. Nobody wants to say that the longer you expose yourself to the house edge the less chances of anyone walking the extra few bucks in their pocket. Hardway bets let you win 10 times of your regular bet when you get lucky. 12 and 2 are two bets which make a difference when you win. ( if you bet $100 on each). People don't understand they are better off betting $100 on hard ways and loose than bet $100 in odds and win. Why, because in a long run you will loose anyway, but when that $100 placed on hard ways win, you can walk away, $1000 win shortens your playing session tremendously, you'll be exposed less to the house edge. Make it a true bet and it becomes the only bet which you should make.
mustangsally
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August 27th, 2014 at 2:04:11 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Hardways would be much more attractive, I think, if they did not lose on the easy way being rolled,

That actually has a nice ring to it.
"RING"
Quote: RS

only losing on 7,

sounds bland and not exciting but common
Quote: RS

and getting paid 9:2 (or 4.5:1).

who would make such a horrible high house edge bet?
you would?
Is my math really that awful. Period.

in other words your payoff looks bad.

are you saying 6 ways to lose (7) and only 1 way to win (HARD) for one hardway

what house edge are you trying for here?

I bet $1 on the hard 8 and it wins so I get paid $5.50 and down
but should have been paid $7 and down
house edge = 1.50/7 or (3/2 * 1/7) = 3/14

Sally
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August 27th, 2014 at 2:29:20 PM permalink
Quote: Dicenor33

people who loose.



Got any lose change?

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