True-Odds Parlayed Hardways(SM)
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After hearing from many players over the past 10 years, that they don't bet Hardways because they are sucker bets, house edge is too high, and so on.
I thought of True-Odds Parlayed Hardways(SM), to encourage players to play them. They go like this:
EDIT: Get paid true-odds on your winning Hardway Bet, if your Hardway Bet hits a second time. Maximum amount that may be bet to win true-odds payout is limited to an amount equal to a true parlay. EDIT:
True-odds pay 10 to 1 on a winning Hard 6 or 8 Bet; and 8 to 1 on a winning Hard 4 or 10 Bet.
If a Hardway Bet wins a true-odds payout, that wager will only be eligible to win a regular payout amount going forward, until that wager is paid a regular winning payout again; after which that wager will be eligible for a true-odds payout again.
A small disc labeled “TRUE” is placed on top of any parlayed Hardway Bet, to distinguish that Hardway Bet doesn’t win a regular payout; but instead a true-odds payout.
A player may wager an additional amount over a parlayed amount; this overage amount will only be eligible to win a regular payout amount.
Example: Player has $1 Hard 6 Bet, Hard 6 hits, Player presses Hard 6 Bet to $20. $10 is eligible for a true-odds payout of 10 to 1, and $10 is eligible to win the regular payout amount. The disc labeled “TRUE” is placed on top of $10 and the other $10 is placed on top of that disc.
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I look forward to Craps player input.. Thanks
Quote: Scotty71I'd play it for fun I like to play hard 4 & 10 for some reason. I wouldn't want to be a dealer with this though. I think it would slow down the game even more as dealers "pitch" the true odds parlay offer to winners on the hard way and have to explain to the bet a lot.
As a Craps Dealer myself, after u explain once, everyone will get it. It will be automatic true-odds, if player presses their winning amount up to a true parlay. you don't even have to ask them, because they aren't giving anything up for doing so.. They must press it though when the base dealer is paying them their winning payout. If a true-odds payout is made, the dealer then just takes the "TRUE" disc off of the bet, signifying the next time that portion of bet wins it wins the regular payout. If you offered this to guests over another casino that doesn't, I think players would choose to play these. This also could get people that don't play hardways to maybe throw a buck or two.
hahahahahahaQuote: allinriverkingAs a Craps Dealer myself, after u explain once, everyone will get it.
and you really believe that! hehe
sucker bets
my mistake as you did not say what KIND of a Craps Dealer you are
sorry abouts thats
I think not. and why would the casino want this bet?Quote: allinriverking<snip> if <snip> If <snip> <snip>
If you offered this to guests over another casino that doesn't, I think players would choose to play these.
they pay you how much per day to offer this bet to players?
I have made two hardway bets in my life and both lost.
major sucker bets.
only the extreme lucky person ever will be a lifetime winner making those bets.
in my opinions
they throw a buck or two to the dealers,Quote: allinriverkingThis also could get people that don't play hardways to maybe throw a buck or two.
now you want those to go to the hardway bets and what is in it for the house again?
another true odds bet?
or another sucker bet,
yep yep, yap, yap
Thank you for the experience
I bet you are actually holding back the BETTER Craps bets to offer.
patent problems?
Sally
That actually has a nice ring to it.Quote: RSHardways would be much more attractive, I think, if they did not lose on the easy way being rolled,
"RING"
sounds bland and not exciting but commonQuote: RSonly losing on 7,
who would make such a horrible high house edge bet?Quote: RSand getting paid 9:2 (or 4.5:1).
you would?
Is my math really that awful. Period.
in other words your payoff looks bad.
are you saying 6 ways to lose (7) and only 1 way to win (HARD) for one hardway
what house edge are you trying for here?
I bet $1 on the hard 8 and it wins so I get paid $5.50 and down
but should have been paid $7 and down
house edge = 1.50/7 or (3/2 * 1/7) = 3/14
Sally
Quote: Dicenor33people who loose.
Got any lose change?
Quote: mustangsallyThat actually has a nice ring to it.
"RING"
sounds bland and not exciting but common
who would make such a horrible high house edge bet?
you would?
Is my math really that awful. Period.
in other words your payoff looks bad.
are you saying 6 ways to lose (7) and only 1 way to win (HARD) for one hardway
what house edge are you trying for here?
I bet $1 on the hard 8 and it wins so I get paid $5.50 and down
but should have been paid $7 and down
house edge = 1.50/7 or (3/2 * 1/7) = 3/14
Sally
Think I meant 5.5:1....or whatever half a unit loss is.
yes, that would be much better I agreesQuote: RSThink I meant 5.5:1....or whatever half a unit loss is.
1/2 / 7 = 1/2 * 1/7 = 1/14
now back to OP idea
the long weekend is now here!
Sally
Quote: allinriverkingSuch haters on here, and rude, I don't expect people saying yes, yes, great idea. If you don't bet hardways that's one thing, but to say you do but wouldn't bet these is ridiculous, you rather bet them and just let the house keep their edge on them the whole time. Really, I call shenanigans... You as a player gets paid more, when your hardway hits for a second time... Who says don't pay me more... The only ones that voted that way are haters that just want to give the bet a bad name... and for no good reason. Please feel free to explain how getting paid extra on your winning hardway harms you...
Name calling is against the rules. I'm not sure if you're breaking rules calling people on this forum "haters" but until you learn the rules, you are going to have a very difficult time I assure you, even if you are just skirting the rules a bit. It appears you are not familiar enough with the rules of the forum here to stay out of trouble.
Just a suggestion. I hope you find a way to enjoy continuing to coexist with others on the forum without bumping around off all the sharp edges that most new forum members find out about the hard way. This forum is not a place for someone who just posts whatever happens to be on their mind without regards to the forum rules.
Quote: AhighName calling is against the rules. I'm not sure if you're breaking rules calling people on this forum "haters" but until you learn the rules, you are going to have a very difficult time I assure you, even if you are just skirting the rules a bit. It appears you are not familiar enough with the rules of the forum here to stay out of trouble.
Just a suggestion. I hope you find a way to enjoy continuing to coexist with others on the forum without bumping around off all the sharp edges that most new forum members find out about the hard way. This forum is not a place for someone who just posts whatever happens to be on their mind without regards to the forum rules.
I didn't call anyone a name I said they hate... Quit trying to read into something that's not there..
Quote: GWAEI like it, but that is coming from some who plays it for 1 then parlay it already.
Then someone like you would def make out with these..
Quote: allinriverkingI just ask for as why to their opinion. That's all... And I hate hats...
There is a cure for that.
Quote: allinriverkingI didn't call anyone a name I said they hate... Quit trying to read into something that's not there..
Like I said, I don't know if you broke a rule or not. I am just trying to help. I will stop trying to help.
Quote: BuzzardThere is a cure for that.
I don't get it, maybe I'm too young to get it...
Quote: Buzzard" Actually I shouldn't of done poll, because people aren't explaining why." Did you get that ?
NO
Quote: allinriverkingSuch haters on here, and rude, I don't expect people saying yes, yes, great idea. If you don't bet hardways that's one thing, but to say you do but wouldn't bet these is ridiculous, you rather bet them and just let the house keep their edge on them the whole time. Really, I call shenanigans... You as a player gets paid more, when your hardway hits for a second time... Who says don't pay me more... The only ones that voted that way are haters that just want to give the bet a bad name... and for no good reason. Please feel free to explain how getting paid extra on your winning hardway harms you...
You're the OP, you wrote choices for your poll, and people's opinions you wrote but apparently didn't like are now "haters"? Seems pretty trollish to me. I don't think the respondents are the people confused in this thread. And, yes, "haters" is pretty derogatory. Not quite bannable offense.
As for your bet, I think it shows promise, but I'm just a beginner craps player, so I'm sure my opinion is not welcome. Analogous to taking full odds on a passline/don't pass bet, if I understand it correctly; the house is satisfied with the HE they collected on your first hardway win, and can afford to pay true odds from that point forward.
Good luck with your invention. I don't think it would be hard to track, either. You might even get a placement and be able to prove it's worth the casino's trouble.
Quote: allinriverkingNO
" " Actually I shouldn't of done poll, because people aren't explaining why."
That was you a year ago . On a poll that I think ended 17-1 against. I do not know why I don't like pickles, I just don't.
Quote: beachbumbabsYou're the OP, you wrote choices for your poll, and people's opinions you wrote but apparently didn't like are now "haters"? Seems pretty trollish to me. I don't think the respondents are the people confused in this thread. And, yes, "haters" is pretty derogatory. Not quite bannable offense.
Is there a way to post a poll and not let anyone vote on the poll, but let them put their number choice of vote in a response to poll? This would stop people from voting negatively, just because they want too.. and I have seen the way some of the people harp on each other here... The idea of the threads is to open dialogue... Just simply voting and not adding to the discussion, doesn't leave much room for dialogue..
Quote: beachbumbabsAs for your bet, I think it shows promise, but I'm just a beginner craps player, so I'm sure my opinion is not welcome. Analogous to taking full odds on a passline/don't pass bet, if I understand it correctly; the house is satisfied with the HE they collected on your first hardway win, and can afford to pay true odds from that point forward.
Good luck with your invention. I don't think it would be hard to track, either. You might even get a placement and be able to prove it's worth the casino's trouble.
The house only gives the true odds for the next win on that hardway. It's more of we'll reward you by giving you true odds on your hardway bet if you leave that bet up, we'll even let you increase that bet up to a true parlay amount and give you true odds on that amount also..
Quote: Buzzard" " Actually I shouldn't of done poll, because people aren't explaining why."
That was you a year ago . On a poll that I think ended 17-1 against. I do not know why I don't like pickles, I just don't.
That's what I find funny on here, I've seen good ideas from people that aren't in the so called click, they either get thrashed or ignored..
people write on here to get feedback, not just anonymous votes, with no explanation...
Just leave the don't likes off the poll, so you will get the result you want !
Quote: allinriverkingIs there a way to post a poll and not let anyone vote on the poll, but let them put their number choice of vote in a response to poll? This would stop people from voting negatively, just because they want too.. and I have seen the way some of the people harp on each other here... The idea of the threads is to open dialogue... Just simply voting and not adding to the discussion, doesn't leave much room for dialogue..
The house only gives the true odds for the next win on that hardway. It's more of we'll reward you by giving you true odds on your hardway bet if you leave that bet up, we'll even let you increase that bet up to a true parlay amount and give you true odds on that amount also..
Yes, I understood that, thanks. I don't think you understood what I said, but it's not important.
polls around here tend to accurately give a good indication of reality. Take a look at lem66 poll.Quote: allinriverkingIs there a way to post a poll and not let anyone vote on the poll, but let them put their number choice of vote in a response to poll? This would stop people from voting negatively, just because they want too.. and I have seen the way some of the people harp on each other here... The idea of the threads is to open dialogue... Just simply voting and not adding to the discussion, doesn't leave much room for dialogue..
The house only gives the true odds for the next win on that hardway. It's more of we'll reward you by giving you true odds on your hardway bet if you leave that bet up, we'll even let you increase that bet up to a true parlay amount and give you true odds on that amount also..
Quote: Buzzard" This would stop people from voting negatively "
Just leave the don't likes off the poll, so you will get the result you want !
I put them on there to get what people think, but lets talk about why you think that, maybe somebody just might not understand an idea properly, or there may be advantages not immediately seen by someone, maybe some light may need to be shed on some ideas... there are a lot of variables that can give someone a bad feel for something they may not fully get..
Quote: AxelWolfpolls around here tend to accurately give a good indication of reality. Take a look at lem66 poll.
Mostly without just cause... Just like an idea that's going to put more money in a player's pocket, for doing nothing differently than if they already bet the hardways.. Makes no sense to me...
Quote: beachbumbabsYou're the OP, you wrote choices for your poll, and people's opinions you wrote but apparently didn't like are now "haters"? Seems pretty trollish to me. I don't think the respondents are the people confused in this thread. And, yes, "haters" is pretty derogatory. Not quite bannable offense.
I would like to correct myself, any written response was great good response or bad, what i was referring to, was people voting negatively without explanation I guess.. So yes I'm the confused one, because I have poll info without reasons to go with some of the votes.. It's like going in to see Dan at Galaxy, and he says terrible idea and slams door in your face, no reason as to why he thought it was terrible... I guess leaves you scratching your head..
Craps is an old game that often attracts old men who don't like change. At least the ones who actually bet the hard ways.Quote: allinriverkingThe only thing that confuses me about the poll, is the 4 votes for "I play hardways, but I won't play these". If you don't play hardways, I understand not playing these if you don't want too. But saying you play hardways, and that you rather be paid less when they win, is strange to me..
Seriously, If people don't like a bet, well, they don't like it. They are nice enough to give your their opinion without compensation.
Lots of people have been helped with their game or wisely abandoned it. Or refined it after actually accepting constructive criticism.
If you want to know why, then poll questions should be I don't like it because ... Too long to resolve... Hate hardways....too confusing .. ** *** ** **** HAT
Quote: AxelWolfCraps is an old game that often attracts old men who don't like change. At least the ones who actually bet the hard ways.
So you are saying, because they have been playing a long time, they don't want a bigger payout for something they have been doing all these years?
What if an old timer always played the field, but now the house pays 3 to 1 on the 2 and 12. Would they not like the field bet now because it pays more now?
Quote: BuzzardWell, doubt Dan would ever do that. But would your game ever suck if he did LOL
Seriously, If people don't like a bet, well, they don't like it. They are nice enough to give your their opinion without compensation.
Lots of people have been helped with their game or wisely abandoned it. Or refined it after actually accepting constructive criticism.
If you want to know why, then poll questions should be I don't like it because ... Too long to resolve... Hate hardways....too confusing .. ** *** ** **** HAT
you forgot a * in the second grouping...
but good idea on poll, didn't want to make poll too long..
No idea where you are at. See my Saratoga trip report. Looks like they are open to new idea if you go the independent route.
Quote: BuzzardI did not forget. Babs had never gotten over our divorce. This way you got the message and I am safe a little longer.
No idea where you are at. See my Saratoga trip report. Looks like they are open to new idea if you go the independent route.
how do i find your trip report?
1 hour drive on I70 from Denver Airport.
Places have that yet people don't seem to care.Quote: allinriverkingSo you are saying, because they have been playing a long time, they don't want a bigger payout for something they have been doing all these years?
What if an old timer always played the field, but now the house pays 3 to 1 on the 2 and 12. Would they not like the field bet now because it pays more now?
