"Royal Deal Poker": New game requesting feedback
Generally speaking, a side bet that meaningfully alters the strategy on the main game is a bad idea. What percentage of the time does the optimal player fold when only making the main bet?Quote: mikeabiomedYes, you will forfeit the bonus bet if you fold. That is why you should never fold while playing the bonus bet.
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I started playing after about 3 hands and got suspicious and thought it was gaffed.
I didn't read the part about it using a funny deck.
What's going to be VERY ANNOYING to players is...... getting monster hands and still frequently getting beat.
IE QQ JOKER dealt and the house makes a bigger hand.
I seriously dislike games where cards are taken out.
I created a table game for a company that distributed hands to players such that all the hands were close in rank. (ie. a 4k, strfl, 4k, FH, straight all inone game).
The game did not do well.
Quote: mikeabiomedwhat was the name of the game?
http://www.wasioux.com/
interesting link.Quote: DRichhttp://www.wasioux.com/
More like learning to ride a unicycle for some people. Ok that's probably over-exaggerated . People don't mind learning new games using a standard deck of cards but once you stray to far the they dislike that. Again I don't think the average person likes getting strong looking poker hands only to have them lose, even if they also win frequently.Quote: mikeabiomedI guess that would depend on what those three strong cards look like in this game. You can potentially win any hand dealt to you with the three worst cards which would be a ten, jack and king off suit, yet still draw to three of a kind or a wild straight and beat the dealer on the ante, main bet, and push the bonus. You aren't being gaffed. It's like learning how to ride a new bike. If you haven't already done so, take a look at the pay table on the website and it may help the frustration factor.
people remember losing hands more, so if its 50/50 it will feel like 25/75.
It is a standard deck x 2 without 2-9s and with two jokers and it's easy to identify any hand dealt once the rules are explained and understood. I beg to differ about the strong hand issue. A "strong hand" is only based on a set of rules, outcomes, HE and payouts. Have you played the demo?
Yes I did, If you remember I played it before I read the rules. I thought it was gaffed after a few hands because how frequently I was getting good hands only to have the house beat my FH with a better FH and so on, I lost them all. I came back and read all of what you posted. I went back and played more, I lost a bunch more "good hands". I even started taking screen shots.Quote: mikeabiomedAW, If it's 50/50 they will still have their buy in. That will remind them they haven't lost 25/75.
It is a standard deck x 2 without 2-9s and with two jokers and it's easy to identify any hand dealt once the rules are explained and understood. I beg to differ about the strong hand issue. A "strong hand" is only based on a set of rules, outcomes, HE and payouts. Have you played the demo?
I'm telling you... whenever someone gets dealt a strong looking hand they expect to win, anything else is a bad beat and people hate bad beats. One bad beat is magnified in their heads. If you get a good hand and win people expect to win so it's nothing special. I don't care if they are winning, they will walk away thinking... If I didn't keep getting so many bad beats I would be up more.
As for the bonuses, if i get a Full house I expect to get more than 1:1 / 2:1 I feel cheated if I'm not getting a nice payout on strong hands.
I understand I ran bad that has nothing to do with what I think about the game. I didn't even say I personally didn't like the game.Quote: mikeabiomedYes, I remember. There were others giving feedback at the time. Well, your experience reminds me of the real world inside a casino. Some days just don't pan out very well, no matter what you get dealt. Remember, you are playing 50/50 against the dealer on the main 5 card hand. As for the full house bonus, these are all calculated based on the decks used and probability with those decks. With a regular 52 card deck 1:1 is horrible but this is not the case. Hit four of a kind or four wild aces, and you will see the difference. Also, with these decks, a Royal Flush occurs over 6 x more frequently, on average than a standard deck. It's all relative and at times, can be streaky. OK, so you won't sit down at a table and play it. It get that just as I would never play WAR. Lastly, the interactive demo is provided by TGScience.com and is designed to show you how to play the game.
I understand good hands (low pays) come up more frequently that's obvious to me, but will the general public get that?
I think the general public wont like getting low pays.
I don't think they will funny decks.
I didn't think they will like all the "bad beats"
To me, funny decks include anything more than one set of cards for blackjack. I haven't heard of the term "bad beats" but I think you are referring to a loss to the dealer which appeared to be a winning hand. Again, this is all relative to the rules of play and the overall odds of each hand played. Yes, basically, with this game, you get what you get and the outcome is obvious.
When a player walks up to play, they can view the pay tables and bonus options. Because of the design of this game, we can also manipulate the lower hands with slightly better payout options and lower the high end payouts, but it won't make much difference in respect to your observation. Overall, there is a fair and even balance between the Ante, Play and Bonus bets.
Quote: mikeabiomedI agree with your thoughts and advice. Convincing really wasn't my goal but to point out the reality of the game is important to anyone who takes a look. Now that I have more free time, I look forward to making the rounds, pounding the pavement. etc. One of the biggest issues I've experienced is that no matter how much the game is liked by a potential client, the outcome so far has been to "come back after the field trail". OK, there must be at least one casino in NV or CA who will take the time to evaluate and report their numbers. Thank you.
If you do some research I think you will be able to find a few casinos in Las Vegas that are willing to do field trials. Look at where other games did their field trial. If those casinos won't help you you may be in trouble. Otherwise, find out where a few of these decision makers hang out and happen to be there. Start building a social relationship with them. Once you are an established friend/acquaintance, ask again.
Now you know why we respect the game inventors so much. Not necessarily because of the games themselves. It's how the hell they got their games in, for field trials.Quote: mikeabiomedI agree with your thoughts and advice. Convincing really wasn't my goal but to point out the reality of the game is important to anyone who takes a look. Now that I have more free time, I look forward to making the rounds, pounding the pavement. etc. One of the biggest issues I've experienced is that no matter how much the game is liked by a potential client, the outcome so far has been to "come back after the field trail". OK, there must be at least one casino in NV or CA who will take the time to evaluate and report their numbers. Thank you.
Mike
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Super news! I read the whole 2 year thread today. Quite a journey! And you are still not there yet! You may have mentioned this before, but what do you do for a living? Biomedical engineer?
