"Royal Deal Poker": New game requesting feedback

Do any of you know the best thread for getting feedback on a new game concept? I've seen two threads but would like an honest evaluation on my patent. Please be as candid as possible. After all, if smart money is the driver, I want to know from others who've been there. Thank you.

Quote: mikeabiomed

Do any of you know the best thread for getting feedback on a new game concept? I've seen two threads but would like an honest evaluation on my patent. Please be as candid as possible. After all, if smart money is the driver, I want to know from others who've been there. Thank you.

This is the right topic for that, and you should start your own thread. The guys here are very generous with constructive criticism. No sarcasm intended; I did this myself in October and it was very useful.

Ok, great. Where do I start and how much is too much? First of all, I was given this website recently by a major company VP who said the game lacked "wow" factor. It's a simple, very simple variation of poker. Anyone with a 5th grade education could probably figure it out. Basically, you can play this as a table game or it can be programmed into the current multi-game video poker options. "Royal Deal Poker" pat. pending, uses only the 20 face cards of a deck and one joker card. 10-J-Q-K-A + Joker. The dealer shuffles using an auto card shuffler as we know are everywhere in the table game arena. The table can accomodate up to 4 players. A random number of 1 thru 4 is generated digitally and the number displayed is where the joker will be placed. The bettor who receives the joker (if any is playing that position), may then double his/her bet before the cards are dealt. Once dealt, all of the bets are final. The player observes their hand and either win, lose or draw. That's it! There is no betting against a dealer's hand, and there is no drawing of cards. The payout board which would be posted, has been calculated professionally and gives the house a 3% advantage. A player may play up to 2 hands at a time and if so, must double their wager. Payouts are generous for royal w/joker, five aces, and of course a natural royal flush. Anyone experienced or not, can play this game without difficulty. The house may elect to give a progressive jackpot for 5 aces and a royal. Like I said, it's simple. There are more rules of course but this gives you the basics. Thanks beachbumbabs.

I'll respond once the new thread is set up which Mike indicated would be done later tonight. Let's keep this thread focused on ME's game.

The game sounds somewhat similar to switch's juicy deck video poker game.

Quote: mikeabiomed

"Royal Deal Poker" pat. pending, uses only the 20 face cards of a deck and one joker card. 10-J-Q-K-A + Joker. ... The player observes their hand and either win, lose or draw. That's it! There is no betting against a dealer's hand, and there is no drawing of cards.

To me, that sounds like a side bet for something else. How do you draw if there's no dealer hand -- just a push (0 outcome) on the paytable?

I don't think this is suited for live play because you can't get enough players at a table. Four isn't enough; the house won't make enough money per hour.

I haven't seen the paytable but this might feel very much like a single-line 5-reel video slot. Lots of those use the royal symbols. For example, this Aristocrat game uses A through 9:

The difference would be that, instead of paying on like symbol combinations, you're paying on poker hands.

Yep, 4 player max makes the current version DOA for a live table game.

Can't comment on whether it will work in a machine version.....not my area.

You may have to look at playing your game with multiple stripped decks to allow more players at one time.

ROYAL DEAL POKER"
(10 - J - Q - K - A – JOKER)

(EXAMPLE) MINIMUM BET $5 MAXIMUM BET $100
POSSIBLE HANDS PAYOUT/ODDS
FIVE ACES (W JOKER) 100 TO 1
ROYAL FLUSH 75 TO 1
FOUR ACES 30 TO 1
ROYAL FLUSH (W JOKER) 10 TO 1
FOUR OF A KIND 12 TO 1
FOUR ACES (W JOKER) 4 TO 1
FULL HOUSE 1 TO 1
THREE OF A KIND 1 TO 1
STRAIGHT 1 TO 1
STRAIGHT (W JOKER) PUSH
TWO PAIR OR LOWER LOSE

You would only get the joker approx. 25% of the time. House edge for this payout is 3.1% Each hand goes quickly so more hands are played per hour. As you can see, bettors who play $25-$100 stand a chance to make serious money. How often do you see "full occupancy at BJ, 3 Card and Pai Gow tables? If you throw in multiple decks, the outcome gets skewed. Thanks for all of the feedback.

I'm not sure how you guys started the new thread but many thanks for the move.

Quote: mikeabiomed

I'm not sure how you guys started the new thread but many thanks for the move.

You're welcome; it's a thing moderators can do, moving threads into their own place when they diverge - it's called a split.

Anyway, any chance you've run the numbers (or can) with 2 stripped decks? I realize it would change pays on things like 5 aces and 3-4 of a kind, as well as royals, but it really is deadly in the "real estate" wars casinos have, where many games are challenging for space. The limit of 4 players is pretty much a game killer as a competitive sale, at least for a live table game. And although Switch is not using a Joker, he is using a stripped deck identical to yours in his video poker game "Juicy Deck". Perhaps if you had the multideck plus Joker (one or two) and a paytable that returned a decent house edge, this might work into something? Might only pay on a straight or above. Or perhaps you can use a stripped deck from 7-A only, which is 32 cards plus the Joker, and will allow 6 players.

The casino could have 2-3 tables available. When 1 table fills up, they open the second table and so on..That would accomodate up to 12 players using 3 dealers. In Reno, we see a lot of empty tables unless it's Friday thru Sunday.

How would you compute the hand with (2) ace of spades? or any other doubles dealt to one hand? Let me think about what you've said. Have you tried to play it using a stripped deck and dealing out 4 hands? It's kind of like video poker, feast or famine. You hit every once in a while and hit big.

The House could also add a $1-$5 side bet as done in PaiGow and make it progressive with a bet of $25.00 or higher. This would certainly add to the bottom line since the max. player count is only 4 players vs. 6. Almost everyone who bets table games, pays the extra buck(s) to win the bonus or higher payout. ie. Suited Blackjack, Pai Gow Poker etc. so they don't miss out when it hits.

You have 3 people telling you 4 players per table are not enough. I recommend you focus on solving this problem by tweaking the game concept. Saying that casinos rarely have full tables or could have multiple tables of the game is not a viable solution.

OK, I get it. So if I can set it for 6 players somehow, this is enough? Or maybe 7?

Blackjack for a long time in Colorado was 7 spots. Always crowded on weekend and jostled playing 1st or 3rd base. Sometimes a guy would block 3rd base to try and play 2 hands when he wanted to. Now some 5 spot tables finally.
Hand count 7 spots = 50 per spot Hand count 5 spots = 70 per spot You do the math !

In this case, 6 would be best. it would give everyone playing an option for 2 hands ea. Changing the card count to allow 6 players is definitely a brain teaser. Maybe best as a video poker game.

Nobody said it was gonna be easy....

Is nobody the 1 out of the 4? Just kidding! I will take it to heart....

I really don't want to be so blunt, but I don't like the game and I don't think that adding players will make the game better. You have zero decision making, no anticipation, and an enormous volatility, which doesn't make it suited for a table game. For an electronic game, I don't think there is enough variation in the pays; it's like a single line slot with no huge payouts. Unfortunately, I agree that there is no "wow."

Quote: CrystalMath

I really don't want to be so blunt, but I don't like the game and I don't think that adding players will make the game better. You have zero decision making, no anticipation, and an enormous volatility, which doesn't make it suited for a table game. For an electronic game, I don't think there is enough variation in the pays; it's like a single line slot with no huge payouts. Unfortunately, I agree that there is no "wow."

Like I said, it feels like a side bet, not a full game. The question isn't whether the game would perform well if players played it, because virtually all games perform when they get played. The question is whether players will play it in the first place.

To the OP, ask yourself this. If you were a casino table games director, what is it about the game that would convince you to replace a blackjack table with it. If the answer is "nothing," you should move on to your next idea. Different or new is not necessarily better, and I'm not even convinced that the game is particularly different from any other side bet on any house-banked poker game.

OK, so you don't like it. Do you like every casino game available? So "wow" has to include a judgement call on whether one has to hit or stand? If the game is structured properly, it's a no brainer. After all, how much smarts does it take for most of the games played? And I've played them all. Craps can be a learning experience but excluding the regulars, most people can barely count to 21. Anticipation comes with the betting of each hand and the volatility is like any other, win, lose or draw. The truth is, you can find negatives to every game that is successful. Not trying to be overly blunt but that's my take on it.

Quote: mikeabiomed

OK, so you don't like it. Do you like every casino game available?

No. But most available casino games never make it to the floor.

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So "wow" has to include a judgement call on whether one has to hit or stand? If the game is structured properly, it's a no brainer. After all, how much smarts does it take for most of the games played? And I've played them all. Craps can be a learning experience but excluding the regulars, most people can barely count to 21. Anticipation comes with the betting of each hand and the volatility is like any other, win, lose or draw. The truth is, you can find negatives to every game that is successful. Not trying to be overly blunt but that's my take on it.

With all due respect, you asked for and received input and advice from professionals in the field. You don't have to heed it. You could keep trying to sell your game in its present form despite the fact that everyone you've talked to has told you the same thing.

For what it's worth, you should also call a patent attorney and ask for a legal opinion on the patentability of your game.

It's obviously not working out in it's current form. Thank you.

Quote: mikeabiomed

It's obviously not working out in it's current form. Thank you.

So evolve it. A lot of games probably don't look like they did in prototype form. People here will tell you in brutal honesty what doesn't work, although in terms of fixing those shortcomings, it seems to be hit-or-miss. Frankly, as a concept, I think it's a neat idea, but I envisioned a variant of something like Mississippi Stud with it. Putting cards on the board is actually a great way to eliminate the whole "I don't have enough cards" problem - and it's probably going to create some decision-making just by its very existence.

Sorry, i have been out of the country and just saw this thread.

I was contracted to develop a video slot game very similar to this about ten years ago for a company that has some very successful table games. As far as I know they never pursued it after I presented them with the PC version of the game. I would strongly suggest you look for similar patents. This company probably has a patent on the version I prototyped for them.

Quote: mikeabiomed

It's obviously not working out in it's current form. Thank you.

I've just stumbled across this thread and there's an idea there. I've seen many games in casinos, and amazed by some that seem to work; there are games which are bet, no decisions, win or lose; but a cracking game has something a little extra or different. I like the idea that you can double your bet with an initial joker, but it might make me feel bad if I wasn't the one getting it; so I'm not sure of the pros and cons of that (in other games, Pai Gow etc., you're just dealt it).

btw in the UK several versions of poker have been tried; 3CP is the obvious winner but a few others can be found occasionally. I think the trick with poker-based games is for it to be different. But most have a basic game - which has a decision, usually fold or raise - and various side bets. People DO like the side bets a lot, but it needs an underlying game. Personally the base game shouldn't pay more than 5/1, but the side bets can go anywhere (the 100/1 max you've used is good). One option with the joker might be to allow the raise to be double or something similar.

I'm not sure whether most people prefer playing against a pay-table or the dealer - my preference is the latter as bad hands can still win, although it's annoying when medium/good hands lose.

Quote: mikeabiomed

It's obviously not working out in it's current form. Thank you.

The game I patented in July did not look like the one I started with in May, and the 2nd patent in October contained radical refinements to the July patent. The game then I sold in late October had refinements early the morning of the purchaser's appointment, necessitating a 3rd patent application that same day. Don't quit. You never know when a bit of inspiration will change your game for the better. OTOH, constructive criticism is very tough to take; use it and then leave it behind.

Quote: beachbumbabs

The game I patented in July did not look like the one I started with in May, and the 2nd patent in October contained radical refinements to the July patent. The game then I sold in late October had refinements early the morning of the purchaser's appointment, necessitating a 3rd patent application that same day. Don't quit. You never know when a bit of inspiration will change your game for the better. OTOH, constructive criticism is very tough to take; use it and then leave it behind.

I've spent some time moving things around and trying to figure out the best way a player will feel some control of the outcome. I will find a way to make this attractive and interesting however, it still may not be enough to market the game. The best part about this process is knowing there are others out there doing the same thing and hoping for personal acheivement that something they created has made a difference in this field of dreams. I like the criticism as it helps see things through eyes of knowledge. I have to admit, I was blown away by the negative comments but as a seasoned veteran of gambling and life, I'm rolling with it. When you say "don't quit" it reinforces my desire to complete the journey into the unknown. Now I'm getting out there in space. Time to reel in :).

Quote: charliepatrick

I've just stumbled across this thread and there's an idea there. I've seen many games in casinos, and amazed by some that seem to work; there are games which are bet, no decisions, win or lose; but a cracking game has something a little extra or different. I like the idea that you can double your bet with an initial joker, but it might make me feel bad if I wasn't the one getting it; so I'm not sure of the pros and cons of that (in other games, Pai Gow etc., you're just dealt it).

btw in the UK several versions of poker have been tried; 3CP is the obvious winner but a few others can be found occasionally. I think the trick with poker-based games is for it to be different. But most have a basic game - which has a decision, usually fold or raise - and various side bets. People DO like the side bets a lot, but it needs an underlying game. Personally the base game shouldn't pay more than 5/1, but the side bets can go anywhere (the 100/1 max you've used is good). One option with the joker might be to allow the raise to be double or something similar.

I'm not sure whether most people prefer playing against a pay-table or the dealer - my preference is the latter as bad hands can still win, although it's annoying when medium/good hands lose.

I agree, usually we play against a dealer at table games. Still working on the decision issue, when to hold/fold/surrender etc. Everybody swarms video poker machines to hit one thing :A Royal Flush. Especially the progressives. That's why I came up with this idea in card form that cuts through the chase. Nothing worse than playing PaiGow and the bonus with a hand worthy of a payout and the dealer holds at least half of a better hand. I suppose a dealer's hand could be added but it takes away from the game in it's current form. Most critical part of this game is the amount of players with a single deck of facecards. It only allows 4 players max per table. Doubling the deck will change that to 8 players.

The patent on Caribbean Stud is no longer in force so you can use that mechanic. You should take two stripped decks of just royal cards, figured out the math on a Caribbean Stud-like game, call it "Royal Caribbean Stud Poker" and do a licensed deal with the cruise line. I'm only half-kidding; someone in the marketing department over there might get a kick out of a custom game for their shipboard casinos.

Quote: MathExtremist

The patent on Caribbean Stud is no longer in force so you can use that mechanic. You should take two stripped decks of just royal cards, figured out the math on a Caribbean Stud-like game, call it "Royal Caribbean Stud Poker" and do a licensed deal with the cruise line. I'm only half-kidding; someone in the marketing department over there might get a kick out of a custom game for their shipboard casinos.

That's a great idea, but strange as it sounds, I've never played Carribean Poker. I think if we deal out 3 cards first, then bet or fold would follow on the last 2 cards. Not sure if a "surrender" option would help. If you get the joker (25%) of the time using 2 jokers and 8 facecard decks , it would be a big avantage to play out the entire hand. It's certainly worth the time to visit the CSP rules. Thanks ME.

"ROYAL DEAL POKER"
(EXAMPLE) MINIMUM BET $5 MAXIMUM BET $100 POSSIBLE HANDS PAYOUT/ODDS
FIVE ACES 400 TO 1
ROYAL FLUSH 150 TO 1
FIVE OF A KIND 50 TO 1
FIVE ACES (W JOKER) 50 TO 1
ROYAL FLUSH (W JOKER) 20 TO 1
FOUR ACES 10 TO 1
FOUR ACES (W JOKER) 6 TO 1
FOUR OF A KIND 6 TO 1
FLUSH 5 TO 1
FULL HOUSE 1 TO 1
THREE OF A KIND 1 TO 1
STRAIGHT 1 TO 1
STRAIGHT (W JOKER) PUSH
THREE ACES (W JOKER) PUSH
TWO PAIRS OR LOWER LOSE


GENERAL RULES AND THEORY:
1. THE DECKS OF CARDS USED, CONSISTS OF 2 SETS 20 FACE CARDS (10) (J) (Q) (K) (A) TAKEN FROM STANDARD 52 CARD DECKS AND 2 JOKER CARDS FOR A TOTAL OF 42 CARDS USED WITH EACH GAME DEALT. FROM THE DEALER’S POSITION, CARDS ARE DEALT FROM LEFT TO RIGHT TO EACH PLAYER, REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF WAGERING PLAYERS. THE PARTICIPATION WILL RANGE FROM ONE PLAYER UP TO EIGHT PLAYERS PER TABLE PER HAND. ANY UNPLAYED POSITION CARDS DEALT, WILL BE PICKED UP BY THE DEALER AND VOIDED FOR THAT HAND.
2. THE 20 CARDS, EXCLUDING THE JOKER CARD, IS SIMULTANEOUSLY SHUFFLED USING A CARD SHUFFLER AND IS AUTOMATICALLY READY FOR EACH SUCCESSIVE HAND DEALT USING A SECURED REVOLVING SECOND DECK OF IDENTICAL 40 CARDS ALTERNATELY PLACED INTO THE CARD SHUFFLER WHILE THE CURRENT HAND IS BEING PLAYED. THE 2 JOKER CARDS ARE HELD BY THE DEALER SUBSEQUENT TO EACH HAND DEALT, THEN DEALT TO UP TO TWO PLAYERS WHO MAY INTEGRATE IT WITH THEIR OTHER FIVE CARDS AS A SUPPLEMENT IN DETERMINING THE BEST POSSIBLE HAND.
3. A PLACE BET IS MADE BY THE BETTOR WITH A NOMINAL MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM AMOUNT BASED ON SIMILAR TABLE GAME LIMITS USED IN LOCAL GAMING MARKET AREAS. AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO: $5 MINIMUM AND $100 MAXIMUM BET PER HAND. A MAXIMUM JACKPOT PAYOUT LIMIT, PER TABLE, MAY BE IMPLEMENTED BY THE GAMING ESTABLISHMENT. FOR EXAMPLE, IF MORE THAN ONE HAND EXHIBITS A ROYAL FLUSH, THE OVERALL PAYOUT MAY BE LIMITED TO THE HOUSE’S MAXIMUM JACKPOT PAYOUT LIMIT. THIS PRACTICE IS COMMONLY USED IN OTHER CASINO GAMES.
4. ALL PLAYERS’ HANDS ARE BET DIRECTLY AGAINST THE HOUSE. THERE IS NO HAND DEALT TO THE DEALER, THUS THE OUTCOME APPLIES ONLY TO THE HANDS DEALT TO EACH BETTING PLAYER WHICH ARE NON-COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER PLAYERS CARDS. THE FIRST 3 CARDS ARE DEALT FACE DOWN TO EACH PLAYER. THE PLAYER LOOKS AT THEIR CARDS AND DECIDES WHETHER TO PLAY OR DOUBLE THEIR BET. PLAYERS WILL THEN RECEIVE THEIR NEXT 2 CARDS AND PLACE THEM FACE UP ON THE TABLE IN FRONT OF THEIR POSITION. THE DEALER WILL PROCEED TO DETERMINE EACH SPECIFIC PAYOUT, DRAW OR LOSS STARTING FROM THE LEFT POSITION TO THE RIGHT POSITION UNTIL ALL HANDS HAVE BEEN ASSESSED AND HANDLED INDIVIDUALLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PAYOUT/ODDS WIN/LOSE SCHEDULE.
5. THE RANDOMLY POSITIONAL DEALT 6TH CARD JOKERS MAY ONLY BE USED FOR ACES, STRAIGHTS AND ROYAL FLUSHES THUS SUPPLEMENTING THE POSITIONAL RECIPIENT PLAYER’S OTHER FIVE CARDS. (SEE ITEM #7) PLAYERS WHO RECEIVE THE JOKER CARD MAY UTILIZE IT AS NEEDED TO OBTAIN THE BEST POSSIBLE HAND AS SHOWN IN THE PAYOUT/ODDS TABLE DISPLAYED. ALL TABLE BETS MUST ALWAYS BE PLACED BEFORE THE JOKER’S POSITION HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.
6. WHEN OTHER BETTING POSITIONS ARE VACANT, A SINGLE PLAYER MAY WAGER A MAXIMUM OF TWO HANDS PER DEAL ONLY IN A POSITION DIRECTLY LEFT OR RIGHT OF THEIR SEATING POSITION. FOR EXAMPLE, IF A PLAYER TAKES POSITION #3, THEY MAY ALSO PLACE A BET IN POSITION # 2 OR # 4 PROVIDED THOSE POSITIONS ARE VACANT. MINIMUM BET REQUIREMENTS MUST BE DOUBLED WHEN PLAYERS DECIDE TO BET TWO POSITIONS. FOR EXAMPLE: IF THE MINIMUM BET IS $5, THE MINIMUM IS RAISED TO $10 PER HAND PLAYED.
7. BEFORE EACH HAND IS DEALT, THE JOKER CARDS ARE HELD SEPARATELY BY THE DEALER THEN PLACED BY THE DEALER TO TWO POSITIONS (1 THROUGH 8) BASED ON THE RANDOMLY DISPLAYED DIGITS ACTIVATED BY THE DEALER AND VIEWED BY ALL PARTICIPANTS AT THE TABLE AFTER THE BETS HAVE BEEN PLACED. A COMMERCIAL CARD SHUFFLER MAY BE USED AND CARDS ARE ALWAYS DEALT LEFT TO RIGHT FROM THE DEALERS POSITION TO THE 1ST THROUGH THE 8TH PLAYERS POSITION. AFTER THE JOKER CARD POSITIONS HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED AND THE INITIAL 3 CARDS HAVE BEEN DEALT, EACH PLAYER MAY VIEW THEIR HAND THEN DECIDE TO PLAY OR DOUBLE THEIR ORIGINAL ANTE BET. AN EVALUATION AND DETERMINATION OF A WIN, LOSS OR DRAW IS THEN MADE PER EACH PLAYERS HAND. THE OBJECTIVE OF EACH HAND IS TO ATTAIN THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE POKER HAND UTILIZING THE FIVE CARDS AND RANDOMLY PLACED JOKER CARDS DEALT TO TWO PLAYERS, SHOULD THOSE POSITIONS BE INCLUDED IN THAT WAGER.
8. BONUS HANDS OR PROGRESSIVE JACKPOTS MAY BE AN OPTION PERMITTED OR CONSIDERED BY THE SOLE DISCRETION OF THE GAMING ESTABLISHMENT’S MANAGEMENT.
9. THE WIN/LOSE ODDS PAYOUT SCHEDULE BOARD SHALL BE POSTED AT EACH GAMING TABLE. SEE PAYOUT/ODDS TABLE REFERENCE GUIDE)
10. (DISCLOSURE) THE CONTENT, RULES AND THEORY OF THIS GAME MAY BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND/OR MODIFICATION AT THE DISCRETION AND APPROVAL OF THE LEGAL OWNER. THE CURRENT SUBJECT MATTER AND RULES ARE DESIGNED TO BE USED AS A BASIC GUIDELINE WHICH MAY REQUIRE PERIODIC REVIEW WITH POSSIBLE ADDITIONS OR OMISSIONS BY THE LEGAL OWNER. HOUSE EDGE IS 2.12%

Have you looked at the new rules I've posted since your post about the game? It's the previous post on this thread. I do appreciate your candor and wanted to show those changes and whether they would spike interest. In some cases, small changes can make a big difference. Thanks.

You have me confused, the dealer deals to all eight positions whether there is someone sitting there or not? Is that just for the "random" joker?

Just for historical reference, poker used to be played with just the high cards. See Scarne's Encyclopedia of Card Games, p. 6. or Scarne's New Complete Guide to Gambling, p. 673.

http://www.harpercollins.com/browseinside/index.aspx?isbn13=9780062731555
(Browse to Ch. 2)

Quote: SkittleCar1

You have me confused, the dealer deals to all eight positions whether there is someone sitting there or not? Is that just for the "random" joker?

Yes, there are 2 jokers and 8 positions. So, you have about 25% chance of receiving one per hand played.

That seems like a lot of excess for 2 jokers.
Have you tried dealing this out with the jokers just shuffled in the deck? If you are going to have them go to a random player, why not just put them in with the rest of the deck? Especially when its no guarantee a real player would receive one anyways. It just seems like less work for the dealer. You could even do a sucker side bet for being dealt both jokers.

Quote: MathExtremist

Just for historical reference, poker used to be played with just the high cards. See Scarne's Encyclopedia of Card Games, p. 6. or Scarne's New Complete Guide to Gambling, p. 673.

http://www.harpercollins.com/browseinside/index.aspx?isbn13=9780062731555
(Browse to Ch. 2)

Very interesting reference. I saw that (p. 6). Yes, it's a very elementary concept overall, however, it's more advanced than say "War" or "Roulette" in my opinion. But, when played in reality, it mimics the outcome of Blackjack and Pai Gow Poker. When one focuses on the "play" of the game, it's a gamers delight. A true "no brainer" with possible winnings as with any other game. House edge is 2.12%. Thanks!

Quote: SkittleCar1

That seems like a lot of excess for 2 jokers.
Have you tried dealing this out with the jokers just shuffled in the deck? If you are going to have them go to a random player, why not just put them in with the rest of the deck? Especially when its no guarantee a real player would receive one anyways. It just seems like less work for the dealer. You could even do a sucker side bet for being dealt both jokers.

I really wouldn't matter because you get them 25% of the timewhether 1 or 8 players were present. How would you deal them to players from the deck? Wouldn't it be easier to just designate their position per hand?

Quote: mikeabiomed

It really wouldn't matter because you get them 25% of the timewhether 1 or 8 players were present. How would you deal them to players from the deck? Wouldn't it be easier to just designate their position per hand?

I am saying the excess is, if it happens to be a player, one on one with the dealer, you are making the dealer deal 7 more hands to no one.

Quote: SkittleCar1

I am saying the excess is, if it happens to be a player, one on one with the dealer, you are making the dealer deal 7 more hands to no one.

When you walk up to a Pai Gow Poker table as the only player, they deal to 7 player locations regardless of the player count. A player may chose to play 2 hands as an option.

Oh really? I had no idea. :-)

Yes, they deal them on the side right to left and fold the unused positions.

Quote: MathExtremist

No. But most available casino games never make it to the floor.

With all due respect, you asked for and received input and advice from professionals in the field. You don't have to heed it. You could keep trying to sell your game in its present form despite the fact that everyone you've talked to has told you the same thing.

For what it's worth, you should also call a patent attorney and ask for a legal opinion on the patentability of your game.

ME,
Your advice and others have been highly considered and put into action. Do you mind if I send you a PM with the details? It's got hope! Thanks.
Mike

New Version

ROYAL DEAL POKER
RULES AND THEORY

TWO DECKS FROM A STANDARD 52 CARD DECK OF CARDS ARE USED WITH ONLY THE 10 THROUGH ACE CARDS (40 CARDS) PLUS TWO JOKER CARDS FOR A TOTAL OF 42 CARDS IN THE DECK.

ONLY 40 OF THE 42 CARDS WILL BE USED PER PLAYERS/DEALER HAND. THE BOTTOM 2 CARDS FROM EACH DECK ARE NOT DEALT AND DISCARDED.
EACH PLAYER WILL MAKE A MINIMUM ANTE BET AND AN OPTIONAL MINIMUM BONUS SIDE BET.

THE DEALER TAKES THE PRE-SHUFFLED CARDS AND DEALS OUT THREE CARDS TO ALL PLAYERS LEFT TO RIGHT, INCLUDING UNPLAYED POSITIONS. THE DEALER WILL PICK UP AND REMOVE ALL UNPLAYED HANDS.

PLAYERS MAY LOOK AT THEIR CARDS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY WANT TO HOLD THEIR BET, DOUBLE THEIR ANTE, OR FOLD THEIR CARDS.

ONCE EVERYONE HAS DECIDED ON THEIR NEXT PLAY, THE FINAL TWO CARDS WILL BE DEALT TO EACH PLAYER IN ORDER OF LEFT TO RIGHT.

IF A PLAYER WISHES TO BET MORE THAN ONE HAND, THEY MUST DOUBLE THE MINIMUM BET. ONLY A POSITION DIRECTLY TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT OF THE PLAYER MAY BE USED FOR TWO HANDS. TWO HANDS PER PLAYER IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED PER TABLE.

ONCE EACH HAND HAS BEEN COMPLETED, ALL CARDS ARE PLACED FACE UP TO THE DEALER FOR EVALUATION. PLAYERS MUST BEAT THE DEALERS HAND TO WIN THE MAIN GAME BET.

THE BONUS ENVY SIDE BET IS PAID TO ANYONE WHO ACHIEVES A BONUS PAYOUT RANKING, WHETHER THEY WIN, LOSE OR DRAW AGAINST THE DEALER’S HAND.

LICENSED GAMING ESTABLISHMENTS MAY DECIDE TO INITIATE A PROGRESSIVE JACKPOT FOR A ROYAL FLUSH BONUS.

A WIN/LOSE/ODDS PAYOUT BOARD SHALL BE POSTED FOR ALL PLAYERS AND PERSONNEL FOR EASY REFERENCE.

THE CONTENT, RULES AND THEORY OF THIS GAME MAY BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND MODIFICATION AT THE DISCRETION AND APPROVAL OF THE LEGAL OWNER. ADDITIONS OR OMISSIONS MAY OCCUR.

ROYAL DEAL POKER
OUTCOME (HAND) PAYOUT (x 1)
ROYAL FLUSH 100
FIVE ACES 80
FIVE OF A KIND 60
WILD ROYAL FLUSH 25
FOUR ACES 20
WILD FOUR ACES 15
FOUR OF A KIND 10
FULL HOUSE 6
FLUSH 5
STRAIGHT 2
THREE OF A KIND 2
WILD STRAIGHT PUSH
WILD THREE ACES PUSH
TWO PAIRS -1
ONE PAIR -1
LOSE TO QUALIFIED DEALER -2
TIE WITH 3 OF A KIND OR BETTER PUSH
TIE WITH TWO PAIRS OR LOWER -1
FOLDS

ROYAL DEAL POKER BONUS ENVY SIDE BET

HAND RANKING PAYOUT BONUS ENVY
ROYAL FLUSH 500 TO 1 $75
FIVE ACES 400 TO 1 $50
FIVE OF A KIND 250 TO 1 $25
WILD ROYAL FLUSH 100 TO 1 -
FOUR ACES 30 TO 1
WILD FOUR ACES 6 TO 1
FOUR OF A KIND 3 TO 1
FULL HOUSE 1 TO 1
FLUSH 1 TO 1
STRAIGHT 1 TO 1
WILD STRAIGHT PUSH
WILD THREE ACES PUSH
TWO PAIRS -1
ONE PAIR -1

Thanks!

42 Card Deck...REALLY... Oh my that will work !

Your opinion is meaningless unless you take the time to understand the game. Maybe you have something better? I doubt it but that's OK, it's just a game "buz"

DON"T TAKE IT PERSONAL But you do realize it's damn near impossible to get players to sit down at a new game with a deck of 52 cards. And now you expect a double whammy like a deck of 42 cards to just sail by ? If you don't want input, don't post. If you find my criticism unfounded, because I lack the proper credentials, ask Switch or Mr Casino games about how hard it is with a 52 card deck.

I did take time to understand it. But what are your chances of selling that game to players in 30 seconds ?

PS If you don't like me, we're EVEN !


Administrators : I said IF

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DON"T TAKE IT PERSONAL But you do realize it's damn near impossible to get players to sit down at a new game with a deck of 52 cards. And now you expect a double whammy like a deck of 42 cards to just sail by ? If you don't want input, don't post. If you find my criticism unfounded, because I lack the proper credentials, ask Switch or Mr Casino games about how hard it is with a 52 card deck.

I did take time to understand it. But what are your chances of selling that game to players in 30 seconds ?

PS If you don't like me, we're EVEN !


Administrators : I said IF

Yeah, try to clear your head with the admin. That's a bold move. I don't like your style but it has nothing to do with liking you or not. Switch and I have talked on several occasions. He happened to like the game and I don't care if you believe it or not. Truth is truth and opinions are like """holes. Everybody's got one...