One for the Money opening
One For the Money hits the Big Show!!!
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm very pleased to announce that One for the Money will be opening its Nevada trial at the Venetian Las Vegas on May 15th. It has done well at the Dubuque Diamond Jo's, Harrington DE, and London Asper's so far; here's hoping for further success in Vegas. Thanks to all for the good wishes and support!
Excellent News Babs!! Will just miss it on my current trip to Vegas, but hope I can catch it on G2E Trip!!
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm very pleased to announce that One for the Money will be opening its Nevada trial at the Venetian Las Vegas on May 15th. It has done well at the Dubuque Diamond Jo's, Harrington DE, and London Asper's so far; here's hoping for further success in Vegas. Thanks to all for the good wishes and support!
SUPER!!!! At dinner with BBB she shared some of the trials and tribulations of getting a game on the floor of a casino! To an outsider like me it was fascinating! What got me most was the kind words BBB had for all the forum members who gave advice/criticism/support in helping her reach her goals.... I think she is the first major success of the WoV forum, and Mike should be proud! As should BBB..... Maybe BBB can speak to a representative of my local casinos when she comes for the June WoV soiree?
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm very pleased to announce that One for the Money will be opening its Nevada trial at the Venetian Las Vegas on May 15th. It has done well at the Dubuque Diamond Jo's, Harrington DE, and London Asper's so far; here's hoping for further success in Vegas. Thanks to all for the good wishes and support!
Congratulations on making it to Nevada and, specifically, to Las Vegas! I wish you continued success and may many installations follow.
Congratulations. The Venetian is an impressive place and has the reputation of being the safest casino in Las Vegas. I think they are rather receptive to innovation also. I've heard that their Poker Room is not only physically the most luxuriously appointed poker room in town but that it also has the greatest variety of games they are willing to play. I understand that some types of poker are only available at the Venetian. Apparently this readiness to provide a variety of games in their poker room extends to the main floor of the casino too as they have a variety of table games as well as a variety of slots, albeit set to a low payoff rate. So good luck to both you and The Venetian.Quote: beachbumbabsI'm very pleased to announce that One for the Money will be opening its Nevada trial at the Venetian Las Vegas on May 15th.
Quote: SOOPOOSUPER!!!! At dinner with BBB she shared some of the trials and tribulations of getting a game on the floor of a casino! To an outsider like me it was fascinating! What got me most was the kind words BBB had for all the forum members who gave advice/criticism/support in helping her reach her goals.... I think she is the first major success of the WoV forum, and Mike should be proud! As should BBB..... Maybe BBB can speak to a representative of my local casinos when she comes for the June WoV soiree?
SOOPOO,
Thanks so much for the cheers and support. However, calling this a "major success" is spooking me a bit. We're doing the Nevada trial, so it's limited to one casino, and booking Venetian for it is truly awesome on Bally/SHFL's part, but it's still just step 30 or so in 100 to being a major success. Keep fingers and toes crossed, please, that it finds an audience there.
Quote: Dicenor33How do you invent a new game?
You start by reading the entire Game Inventor's Corner on this forum, teliot's book about creating a table game, and the rules on every game listed on the WoO site. Then you sit down with family and friends and figure out a game that isn't being played. Once you have a general idea, you go to PatentBuddy or googlepatent and enter keywords that apply to your game to make sure it's not prior art. Then you file a provisional patent and then talk to a few of the excellent experts on this forum, for hire or on goodwill, and refine, refine, refine. You hire a math guy (several great ones on here) to run the math and check viability, refine your patent again (probably time to retain a patent lawyer), and get the gaming materials (nothing nonstandard if possible) and professionally printed felt together, write a marketing report explaining your game including table cards and rules, and ask the distributors and/or casinos for an appointment. You demonstrate your game to them using a 30 second pitch and then deal it to them, listen carefully to what they say, refine as necessary, and keep trying.
At least that's close to how it went for me. YMMV.
Quote: beachbumbabsYou start by reading the entire Game Inventor's Corner on this forum, teliot's book about creating a table game, and the rules on every game listed on the WoO site. Then you sit down with family and friends and figure out a game that isn't being played. Once you have a general idea, you go to PatentBuddy or googlepatent and enter keywords that apply to your game to make sure it's not prior art. Then you file a provisional patent and then talk to a few of the excellent experts on this forum, for hire or on goodwill, and refine, refine, refine. You hire a math guy (several great ones on here) to run the math and check viability, refine your patent again (probably time to retain a patent lawyer), and get the gaming materials (nothing nonstandard if possible) and professionally printed felt together, write a marketing report explaining your game including table cards and rules, and ask the distributors and/or casinos for an appointment. You demonstrate your game to them using a 30 second pitch and then deal it to them, listen carefully to what they say, refine as necessary, and keep trying.
At least that's close to how it went for me. YMMV.
Congratulations Babs. Great ideas and hard work can come with rewards. All the best.
You are well on your way - congrats!
We certainly thought it had merit and was real sharp!
BBB are you offering a money back guarantee?Quote: beachbumbabs
Yeah, mileage will vary a LOT, depending on the quality of the idea.Quote: beachbumbabs...
At least that's close to how it went for me. YMMV.
Congrats on your success so far, and best wishes for a positive outcome for this field trial.
Good luck!
I have to admit that I didn't see this resurgence in One Card Poker coming. With the initial success of War BJ & One For The Money, there seems too be a renewed appetite with players for this type of game.
Congrats Babs on the OFTM concept & Pacman for seeing that potential and snapping up a deal!
Quote: PacmanThis just in: One for the Money is scheduled to make its Las Vegas debut Thursday afternoon at the Venetian.
I paid OFTM a visit this afternoon. When I arrived there was another playing betting about $50 each on the Ante and Perfect Match. However, as soon as I sat down he suddenly left. Sorry to scare off your customer, Barb. Normally, I have this effect on women, but this time it was a guy.
Then I had the table to myself for half an hour. Betting the minimum $5 on the Ante and $1 on the Perfect Match I lost $140 in 30 minutes. Lots of kings losing to an ace. Whether for fun or real money, I always find myself on the far left side of the bell curve with this game. At the fast pace of this game, especially playing alone, I'm sure it isn't unusual to win, or lose, a lot of money fast.
I chatted with a floorwoman (is that a word) about the game a little. She said it had been well played since the opening. It has a nice location, at a corner with heavy traffic right in the middle of the table games area. For those familiar with the Venetian, it is in the carnival game pit in the corner closest to the cashier.
Quote: WizardI paid OFTM a visit this afternoon. When I arrived there was another playing betting about $50 each on the Ante and Perfect Match. However, as soon as I sat down he suddenly left. Sorry to scare off your customer, Barb. Normally, I have this effect on women, but this time it was a guy.
Then I had the table to myself for half an hour. Betting the minimum $5 on the Ante and $1 on the Perfect Match I lost $140 in 30 minutes. Lots of kings losing to an ace. Whether for fun or real money, I always find myself on the far left side of the bell curve with this game. At the fast pace of this game, especially playing alone, I'm sure it isn't unusual to win, or lose, a lot of money fast.
I chatted with a floorwoman (is that a word) about the game a little. She said it had been well played since the opening. It has a nice location, at a corner with heavy traffic right in the middle of the table games area. For those familiar with the Venetian, it is in the carnival game pit in the corner closest to the cashier.
Firstly, well done Babs!!! That is huge news!!!
We had an exhibtion of our game in Switzerland 3 weeks ago and besides the fact that people enjoyed playing it, due to the fact that you could get up to 120 rounds per hour easily, people were losing their money too quickly. It brought me back to a chapter in Teliot's book about the balance between HE and game pace. We have made a few changes to try and get the HE under 2% for the main game in order to make is a better proposition.
Losing $140 in 30 minutes betting minimum is a heck of a lot even if you experience extreme negative variance. There really is a very fine line between raking the guest and giving them the experience they are paying for!!!
Quote: TomspurLosing $140 in 30 minutes betting minimum is a heck of a lot even if you experience extreme negative variance. There really is a very fine line between raking the guest and giving them the experience they are paying for!!!
Only if the player gets an 8 to 10 will he stop with a minimum bet. Most of the time the player will bet 2x or 3x that by the end of the hand.
Quote: WizardOnly if the player gets an 8 to 10 will he stop with a minimum bet. Most of the time the player will bet 2x or 3x that by the end of the hand.
I forgot about the buying a new card option.
What is the probability of getting an 8 or better in every hand for a set amount of time, let's say 30 minutes?
Quote: TomspurWhat is the probability of getting an 8 or better in every hand for a set amount of time, let's say 30 minutes?
(7/13)^n, where n = number of hands. However, an 8 is a lousy card in OFtM. The dealer gets two chances to beat you.
Quote: Wizard(7/13)^n, where n = number of hands. However, an 8 is a lousy card in OFtM. The dealer gets two chances to beat you.
Thanks Mike. I do envy you math guys, especially considering my field.
Thanks very much for taking the time to play, and to report back. You do seem to carry a personal black cloud on the game, don't you? When I demo'd it to you in September (for those who weren't there), I think you lost every hand for one entire deck, head-to-head. Kind of a Charlie Brown feeling, I'm sure, and I do apologize on behalf of the card gods...lol. Perhaps if we get you to go with a group, that will change your luck.
I do think it's a much better game with more players, and I'm glad to hear it's getting play over the weekend, and that it has a prime placement for traffic. Very exciting stuff! Great that The Venetian is giving it the best chance to succeed. The first hand that was dealt on Thursday was to a woman, and she was dealt a 2, which she traded for a Q. The dealer turned up J-9 for a player win. Yay! Auspicious start.
As to the 8 (for Tomspur), in the 6 to 8 deck version Bally's is distributing, it's pretty much a wash whether you stand or trade. (Single-deck, it's a definite stand, but they're not marketing single deck at this time.) Me, I think it's wiser to stand just because you have to pay to trade and expose twice as much money at a similar -EV, but I could be wrong. I think it's analogous to BJ's hit or stand on 16 against a dealer 10, where it's very close and conditional. But on your OftM raise opportunities, you're raising an already +EV card (unless you're the Wizard, apparently, losing K's to A's...geez), so it tends to even out.
Now as to this group or single play question. Just as in Blackjack, you can find a full table or an empty one. Some BJ players like to play for 300 a hand just so they can ask for and pretty much automatically receive a table all to themselves. Some players are indifferent to other BJ players and some BJ tables get downright friendly discussing everyone's style and complimenting them when deviations from Basic Strategy result in a surprise win.
Craps is certainly a game wherein the whole table can be whooping and hollering in unison.
I think casinos realize that if they spread the game that is their expense. After that its good to have something that allows for a social experience but does not require it. That way a casino feels they will recoup their costs more reliably than if a table sits empty due to the unpredictable ebb and flow of the casino's patrons.
So, once again, Congratulations on the Venetian placement and good luck with it.
Jury is still out on the Venetian opening; I went and watched the game in play a couple days last week, and when it got people playing, it rocked, with other people gathering around just to see what the fuss was about. There were a lot of positive comments from the players, and the dealers did a good job with the game. It was one of the most exciting things I've ever done, to see people playing something I did, live for real money; our testing didn't even approach the charge watching that gave me. But people don't know to look for it yet, so it has some growing to do, I think. We are also considering some fine-tuning, which if we make any changes I'll mention then. Not sure it needs anything but time.
Quote: beachbumbabsWell, yes, a few things (do I have adoring fans? I find that hard to believe). OftM opened in Washington State last week (I don't have the name of the casino), and initial reports are that the casino is very happy with the reception and the numbers. Harrington DE is considering moving the game from a weekends-only availability to an everyday staffing rotation because they like what they're seeing after 2 months, and the show in Coventry last month resulted in 2 more placements in England, expected this summer. G2E Asia 2 weeks ago was very good, with a positive reception by several properties.
Jury is still out on the Venetian opening; I went and watched the game in play a couple days last week, and when it got people playing, it rocked, with other people gathering around just to see what the fuss was about. There were a lot of positive comments from the players, and the dealers did a good job with the game. It was one of the most exciting things I've ever done, to see people playing something I did, live for real money; our testing didn't even approach the charge watching that gave me. But people don't know to look for it yet, so it has some growing to do, I think. We are also considering some fine-tuning, which if we make any changes I'll mention then. Not sure it needs anything but time.
Congrats...Do you know which casinos in England?
Quote: ShineyShineCongrats...Do you know which casinos in England?
Aspers in NE London opened it April 1 (the one on top of the mall there). I don't have names yet for the 2 to come, just that there were 2.
Quote: beachbumbabsAspers in NE London opened it April 1 (the one on top of the mall there). I don't have names yet for the 2 to come, just that there were 2.
Thats great, its on the Olympic site. Apparently its flying, really busy, so should be a great install.
Quote: ShineyShineThats great, its on the Olympic site. Apparently its flying, really busy, so should be a great install.
Yeah, I think Roger Snow and Ballytech are giving the game its best chance to succeed. I'm very grateful he saw potential in it.
Good Luck with One for the Money: A Nice & Fast game.
Quote: ParadigmGood news Babs, please find out the specifics on the WA casino as I will surely stop by on my next trip and add to the drop :-)!
Hopefully it's EQC as I usually get a motel near there when I go up for work.
Quote: teliotWhat kind of procedures are in place to protect the dealer's hole-cards?
To my knowledge, the game is being dealt from either a 6 or 8 (in one case) shoe, or from a 1 to 6 CSM (Bally Tech machine; I think that's the model name) as 6 deck. The dealer's cards are being slid on the felt and not exposed until after all decision points are resolved. There is no need to peek like in BJ. Bally is not marketing the single-deck version at this time.
Sounds solid. I am going to post the hole-card analysis on my blog for the six-deck version (the answer is 11.7954%), so I am sure that will convince you to keep up the good work.Quote: beachbumbabsTo my knowledge, the game is being dealt from either a 6 or 8 (in one case) shoe, or from a 1 to 6 CSM (Bally Tech machine; I think that's the model name) as 6 deck. The dealer's cards are being slid on the felt and not exposed until after all decision points are resolved. There is no need to peek like in BJ. Bally is not marketing the single-deck version at this time.
http://apheat.net/2014/06/11/one-for-the-money-hole-card-play/
I welcome your input.
Quote: teliotB^3, for your consideration, here is my article on hole-carding One for the Money:
http://apheat.net/2014/06/11/one-for-the-money-hole-card-play/
I welcome your input.
Excellent article. My only suggestion is to state that the calculations here are based on 6 decks.
Good point, fixed.Quote: CrystalMathMy only suggestion is to state that the calculations here are based on 6 decks.
Yes, I agree. The player really needs all moments of the distribution to truly understand the game. For most in the industry, the two moments ev & var suffice. Marketing only uses ev.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI think that house edge is equally deceptive when the amount that you put at risk is significantly higher than your initial wager.
Question. Can EoR be quantified in terms of the moments of the distribution?
