2013 Raving's Table Games Conference: who is going?
Quote: ThermosHow can Shuffle Master possible market a game if it's not in some contest?
The competition is the showcase of the event, it's what
gets all the press, it's what the 98% of the industry will
hear about that didn't attend. What games won Raving
is the news, not what games were there. Nobody
remembers the playoff's, but they sure remember who
won the Superbowl.
Quote: EvenBobThe competition is the showcase of the event, it's what
gets all the press, it's what the 98% of the industry will
hear about that didn't attend. What games won Raving
is the news, not what games were there. Nobody
remembers the playoff's, but they sure remember who
won the Superbowl.
The press? Super Bowl? You don't know what you are talking about. Pacman said shuffle installed a thousand games last year. How many of those won some contest?
Quote: EvenBobThe competition is the showcase of the event, it's what
gets all the press, it's what the 98% of the industry will
hear about that didn't attend. What games won Raving
is the news, not what games were there. Nobody
remembers the playoff's, but they sure remember who
won the Superbowl.
No. Thermos is right. They have a sales force. A game makes it on its own merits, although it is better to have some press.
Nobody has to remember the playoffs. A 21-7 pitcher on a 3rd place team doesn't regret missing the playoffs and all that press. A 20 game winner doesn't care about the playoffs, he cares about winning 20 games (or installs). Tom Seaver played for the Mets, and made it into the Hall of Fame by the highest voting percentage ever.
everybody connected to the gambling side of
the gambling industry. No jackpots, no installs,
no riches, turns out we're not as smart as we
think, your game is a turkey, sorry..
Quote: Paigowdan
No it isn't.
First of all, the only project that guarantees failure is the project not taken.
Still a sad situation, Dan. But it's inevitable in the
invention business, and the publishing business
also. Rejection comes with the territory, nothing
ventured nothing gained.
Quote: ThermosGood points, Dan. I'm convinced more than ever that EB either is just a muckraker
Another genius heard from. Lol
Quote: EvenBobStill a sad situation, Dan. But it's inevitable in the
invention business, and the publishing business
also. Rejection comes with the territory, nothing
ventured nothing gained.
It's sad if you turn into a dreamer of what could have been, depleting resources on a dream, like the movie Being Flynn. It's a story of a man, a writer, who got no installs of his novel, and pursued his dream into bankruptcy, squalor, and madness.
Nobody should give up their day time job, or risk financial or emotional ruin because they tinker in the garage or den after work on a new game. I dealt for years on swing shift until 3AM saying "I'll do both." Success doesn't happen until it happens, and it is a fundamental of all to recognize this. If they don't, it's on them.
Quote: PaigowdanA game makes it on its own merits, although it is better to have some press.
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Yup, and that's my whole point about Raving, the
press involved. It's also about timing, and that's
something nobody can foresee. The right game
at the right time in the right venue. Word of mouth
is everything, it can make or break you. Look at
BJ. It's still going because the word was, it can be
beat. You can't beat it if you're the average hooplehead,
but they don't know that. It's enough that you heard
it can be beat, that's all it takes to get people to play.
Quote: ThermosPacman said shuffle installed a thousand games last year. How many of those won some contest?
The point is, how many of them would have done
BETTER if they'd won an important contest. If you
aren't entered, you can't win.
Quote: EvenBobThe point is, how many of them would have done
BETTER if they'd won an important contest. If you
aren't entered, you can't win.
What happens if a good game came in 4th, because it is a sleeper or creeper? that it is not the right venue for a game that is still the right game?
The most beautiful woman in the world need not enter a beauty contest. she'll get quality suitors of her own accord.
Raving is neither irrelevant or make-all and be all. It is a great help for independent game designers. Since (it is believed) that Barbara has signed her game up, she is already in good hands.
Quote: PaigowdanIt's sad if you turn into a dreamer of what could have been, depleting resources on a dream, like the movie Being Flynn. It's a story of a man, a writer, who got no installs of his novel, and pursued his dream into bankruptcy, squalor, and madness.
.
Are you talking about Buzz and DJ here? Not fair, Dan,
neither of them has fallen into madness. Yet..
Quote: EvenBobThe point is, how many of them would have done
BETTER if they'd won an important contest. If you
aren't entered, you can't win.
Why would it matter? I don't think shuffle has ever participated in this conference, let alone the contest. Do you really think games like ultimate texas holdem or three card poker would have more installs had they been in a contest? No wonder you play roulette. You're not smart enough to count past 36.
Quote: EvenBobAre you talking about Buzz and DJ here? Not fair, Dan,
neither of them has fallen into madness. Yet..
Not at all. they're winners and survivors in my eyes.
I was talking about the potential of having that happen, I've seen it.
7-card thrill is also a sad story, and a game that was pursued perhaps for too long.
Bob, you don't want to hope for loss and failure - for those who try in good faith, - lest you like feeding on others' sorrow and the macabre.
Quote: ThermosDo you really think games like ultimate texas holdem or three card poker would have more installs had they been in a contest? .
We'll never know, will we. Why have contests at all,
why have Super Bowls or Olympics or World Series.
To you they're meaningless, why have winners.
Your inferior public school education is showing
again..
Quote: EvenBobWe'll never know, will we. Why have contests at all,
why have Super Bowls or Olympics or World Series.
To you they're meaningless, why have winners.
Your inferior public school education is showing
again..
No one said they were meaningless, they help as one factor out of many.
Quote: Paigowdan
Bob, you don't want to hope for loss and failure - for those who try in good faith, - lest you like feeding on others' sorrow.
Schadenfreude? Never occurred to me. I wonder how
Ace is doing in AC right now....
Quote: EvenBobWe'll never know, will we. Why have contests at all,
why have Super Bowls or Olympics or World Series.
To you they're meaningless, why have winners.
Your inferior public school education is showing
again..
Speaks the man who uses two periods at the end of each sentence and who committed at least five additional errors of grammar and punctuation.
Like I said, you have Dostoevsky's addiction but not his ability.
Quote: PaigowdanNo one said they were meaningless, they help as one factor out of many.
Your own company is offering a giant prize to
whoever wins Raving. I'd say they put one hell of
a lot of confidence in the winning game. No
prizes for just showing up, sorry.
Quote: EvenBobSchadenfreude? Never occurred to me. I wonder how
Ace is doing in AC right now....
Schadenfreude is your illicit delight, you pray to witness some more of it, we know this about you. ;)
Quote: ThermosSpeaks the man who uses two periods at the end of each sentence .
I'm talking about your fixation on contests are
meaningless. That's what they teach all the
skulls full of mush now, no winners, lets not
even keep score. We're all equal, blah blah.
No, we're not all equal, not even close.
Quote: PaigowdanSchadenfreude is your illicit delight, you pray to witness some more of it, we know this about you. ;)
Afraid it's rather widespread, Dan.
Tests showed schadenfreude, the feeling of joy when seeing someone suffer, is felt by a “significant portion” of people and is most likely to be directed at successful individuals.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/10413782/Schadenfreude-is-a-normal-human-response-study-finds.html
Quote: EvenBobI'm talking about your fixation on contests are
meaningless. That's what they teach all the
skulls full of mush now, no winners, lets not
even keep score. We're all equal, blah blah.
No, we're not all equal, not even close.
Every sentence you wrote contains errors of logic, grammar and punctuation. You embarrass yourself every time you try to articulate a thought.
Quote: ThermosEvery sentence you wrote contains errors of logic, grammar and punctuation. You embarrass yourself every time you try to articulate a thought.
I think blocking me is your only option, there's a good lad.
Quote: PaigowdanMany love to see other people fail, or even get some righteous comeuppance.
It's a natural human reaction. I remember author
Robert Heinlein pointing out that most humor
involves pain to somebody else. We enjoy laughing
at the discomfort of others. Stand up comics make
a living doing it.
Quote: EvenBobI thing blocking me is your only option, there's a good lad.
Mwhahaha.
Quote: Thermos[To EvenBob]Every sentence you wrote contains errors of logic, grammar and punctuation. You embarrass yourself every time you try to articulate a thought.
Thermos, Bob is a character. Gotta love him! He's honest. Sometimes he can jump start a thread, but....he is often too busy seeking mirth and joy and delight from others' downfalls to give a cursory edit, when excited. Bob is a Schadenfreude-seeking Sum-B. Okay, what the hell, be proud of it, or just honest, most are.
I was just at a 7-11 where the guy in front of me swiped his debit card, and in front of a line, got REJECTED - insufficient funds [A buzzer could have gone off]! You Broke Ass bastard. This was not enough. The clerk looked at him and just radiated the sentiment with a look of death, "well, YOU BROKE-AZZ BASTARD, - How embarrassing on your butt!. Now get out some cash or hit the road..." (He went to the ATM to play like he's got it, and left.) I thought I was in Germany, home of Schadenfreude. It was Dean Martin Drive & Tropicana, the Chevron station. Needed my smokes. This doesn't happen in Alabama, home of "Bless your heart!"
In the spirit of Bob, I looked at the few in line here. Three out of four had that smirk + raised eye-brow, you know: "BUSTED! Haaaa...Snag, mothxx-fxxker, burn in humiliation for wasting OUR time...." Ha Ha. Serves you the F - right. Really, dude. I felt "poor bastard, broke AND Humiliated." I am actually ashamed I didn't take out a twenty and say "It's all right." I did exactly this two months ago, and the guy was like (in attitude look) - "are you trying to show me up?" - and without any thanks, - he did take the purchase to boot and he walked right out. People looked at me, "You Schmuck!"
People!
If I think any less of them, I will become Bob. God save us.
Quote: Paigowdan
In the spirit of Bob, I looked at the few in line here. Three out of four had that smirk + raised eye-brow, you know: "BUSTED!
We're all connected in ways we don't understand. It's
not that we're glad the other guy was hurt, we're just
glad it wasn't us.
I remember Joseph Campbell telling the story of a man
who jumped off a bridge in Hawaii. The cop who was
there jumped at the same time and caught the guy,
and another cop got the first cops legs. When asked
later why he risked his life to save a stranger, the first
cop replied that in an instant he realized the jumper was
him, they were connected somehow, and he had no choice
but to try and save him.
Quote: ThermosNo. He's just a hater. His opinions are worthless.
I get it now, trolling is what you're doing.
Blocked. BuhBye..
Quote: EvenBobI get it now, trolling is what you're doing.
Trolling is just what we call it when someone disagrees with us, isn't it, Bob?
Quote:Blocked. BuhBye..
Duh.
Quote: EvenBobWe're all connected in ways we don't understand. It's
not that we're glad the other guy was hurt, we're just
glad it wasn't us.
So there's Nothing here to be glad about it being "not us," even IF it involved comeuppance/just dessert. We're glad for the other's joy, right?
Quote: EvenBobI remember Joseph Campbell telling the story of a man
who jumped off a bridge in Hawaii. The cop who was
there jumped at the same time and caught the guy,
and another cop got the first cops legs. When asked
later why he risked his life to save a stranger, the first
cop replied that in an instant he realized the jumper was
him, they were connected somehow, and he had no choice
but to try and save him.
Yes.
A visitation by the "Buddha spirit" or an angel, as my wife claims can happen. When needed. Catholics are visited by Mary or a Saint, and Jews get told they're a "Mensch." (Mensch = a man so decent, ethical, and upright that he is a saint.) The jew who tells you kindly is your visitation, - people themselves need to be the angels we otherwise wish to see from the sky.
you get told you're addicted to Schadenfreude, which is how most people really are, but not good.
Here are some post we wish to see from you:
Bob: "You game got 40 installs, when I was taunting you that your game would bomb? And...the income paid off a car and mortgage, and your children go to private/Catholic school for a safe education? Dang - I was hoping you'd bomb and go broke, just to say "Muaw-haa-HAA! BURN! Truly, I share your joy, as it restores hope in my heart that decent, dedicated people working hard on their life's project can rise up and achieve! God Bless You! I share your joy, as your joy is my joy!"
Bob #2: "Your game bombed, - when you have placed so much work, effort, and hope in it?" Yess! Another misguided moron suffers! Delightful! Muaw-Haa HAA! "Tommy, I feel for you. At least you gave it a good faith shot, a college try - and you have nothing to regret or apologize for! If you need any help, you know you can call me anytime - Bob."
Ahh, Seekin' Ze Scahdenfreude, a fool's endeavor.
Quote: Paigowdan
Bob: "You game got 40 installs, when I was taunting you that your game would bomb? And...the income paid off a car and mortgage, and your children go to private/Catholic school for a safe education? .
Are you trying to get me kicked out of the Curmudgeon
Society, Dan? We'd all get a schadenfreude tattoo if
there weren't so dang many letters in the word.
Quote: EvenBobAre you trying to get me kicked out of the Curmudgeon
Society, Dan?
Yes. Be a Sport here.
Quote: ThermosNo. He's just a hater. His opinions are worthless.
Three-day suspension.
Quote: WizardThree-day suspension.
Bob is a dark grey at times, but never nasty. He may be trying to prod us upwards by playing devil's advocate; best to take it that way. Don't get darker than his grey. He knows that edge. Tricky fence-sitting when responding to him. To his credit, he can be a challenge to answer.
Ad hominem attacks are forbidden here, to include against Bob.
A touch of or challenge, darkness, or treachery is not. As this is a gaming board.
Quote: PaigowdanDon't get darker than his grey. He knows that edge. Tricky fence-sitting when responding to him. To his credit, he can be a challenge to answer..
Thanks, Dan. I'd like to say I will be easy
on you from now on, but I can't laugh and
type at the same time. Like you'd believe
it anyway..
Quote: EvenBobThanks, Dan. I'd like to say I will be easy
on you from now on, but I can't laugh and
type at the same time. Like you'd believe
it anyway..
To give you some accolades Bob, (some minor, and a few finely-deserved [cough]), your "grey edge knife postings" has both stimulated some threads for the poster to do their very best, - and to induce some to flip you the bird. You prod people over the edge at times, damn you. You could be a police interrogator; you make some crack and shatter and lose it (bad sportsmanship, but I credit here your sense of seeking Shameless Schadenfreude Delight, as it is a bit of your game), and yet others rise. You throw jalapeno peppers into the Fondue pot and you just sit back and watch. You yourself may deserve to be busted, and to take it in as good sport. I enjoy this show at times.
Quote: Paigowdan, your "grey edge knife postings" has both stimulated some threads for the poster to do their very best, - and to induce some to flip you the bird..
The more rules a forum has, the more fun it
is to post there. The ones that allow anything
and everything are boring, nobody is challenged
by restraint. Here you have to be on top of your
game, you have to think before you post. Novel
idea, I hope it catches on.
Quote: Paigowdan... this is not always the case. Often, when a distributor leases IP, they still name or approve of the game's name, and then trademark that name. Whenever they don't happen to own the IP, (just lease it), - they can still trademark to own the brand name. I own the IP for EZ Pai Gow, but not DEQ's trade name for it.
Thanks, Dan, for clarifying how a distributor can own the mark while leasing the the remainder of a game's IP, using your personal anecdotal example. Makes sense.
Quote: EvenBobThe more rules a forum has, the more fun it
is to post there. The ones that allow anything
and everything are boring, nobody is challenged
by restraint. Here you have to be on top of your
game, you have to think before you post. Novel
idea, I hope it catches on.
You are testing our mettle and metal here at times, and for your sport (and ours), which at some times is actually necessary here, I think.
Other times Bob, you're just plain old goosing us repetitively and for too damn long. A barely legal outlaw. I hope to Christ you own a Harley.
You deal few push hands.
Quote: Paigowdan
Other times Bob, you're just plain old goosing us repetitively and for too damn long. A barely legal outlaw. I hope to Christ you own a Harley.
In fact I do have a Harley, there's a thread about it somewhere.
Tomorrow might be the last riding day of the year, 68 degrees.
Oh well, it just makes spring getting here all the sweeter.
Quote: BuzzardTODAYS THE DAY !
Can't wait. I'll be in Vegas in 4 hrs.
But post a report, OK
