2013 Raving's Table Games Conference: who is going?
November 18th, 2013 at 10:28:44 AM
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I'll be in Las Vegas by 4 p.m. And at the reception at 6 p.m.. PM me if you want me to punch anybody in the nose for you.
ZCore13
ZCore13
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November 18th, 2013 at 10:52:07 AM
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Woo Hoo!! Here we go, indeed. All fingers and toes crossed for Paradigm and Lucky; go, M21, go!
I'd appreciate it if anyone going also stops by the SHFL booth and plays One for the Money; it would be great to hear impressions and reactions, either here on a thread or via PM at your preference, to the live game. Thanks in advance!
I'd appreciate it if anyone going also stops by the SHFL booth and plays One for the Money; it would be great to hear impressions and reactions, either here on a thread or via PM at your preference, to the live game. Thanks in advance!
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
November 18th, 2013 at 10:53:10 AM
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Quote: beachbumbabsWoo Hoo!! Here we go, indeed. All fingers and toes crossed for Paradigm and Lucky; go, M21, go!
I'd appreciate it if anyone going also stops by the SHFL booth and plays One for the Money; it would be great to hear impressions and reactions, either here on a thread or via PM at your preference, to the live game. Thanks in advance!
They're showing it? Great!
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
November 18th, 2013 at 11:07:45 AM
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Quote: PaigowdanThey're showing it? Great!
That's what I'm told, Dan, and thanks so much for the positive reaction to it happening that way. I can talk a little about it, so I want to say thank you publicly to you, Ken, and Kelly for everything you folks tried to do to help me along, including the Raving opportunity as an independent. Events eclipsed that decision, and I wasn't able to explain (I'm sure you understand better than most); I'm very sorry about not being able to answer when Galaxy tried to follow up on my withdrawing from the competition.
I hope you have a terrific show and lots of great games to sign! Vote for Paradigm and Lucky, please!
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
November 18th, 2013 at 11:23:09 AM
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Quote: beachbumbabsThat's what I'm told, Dan, and thanks so much for the positive reaction to it happening that way. I can talk a little about it, so I want to say thank you publicly to you, Ken, and Kelly for everything you folks tried to do to help me along, including the Raving opportunity as an independent. Events eclipsed that decision, and I wasn't able to explain (I'm sure you understand better than most); I'm very sorry about not being able to answer when Galaxy tried to follow up on my withdrawing from the competition.
I hope you have a terrific show and lots of great games to sign! Vote for Paradigm and Lucky, please!
I think only Table game managers/designers vote. We might be able to, not being in the competition. No horses in race = no bias.
And no problem on signing with anyone else: you did what's best for you, you take the best offer and what was deemed best, totally understood.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
November 18th, 2013 at 11:38:05 AM
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http://apheat.net/2012/12/14/the-best-game-at-ravings-cutting-edge-table-game-conference/
Looks like wander in and play each game, then you can vote.
Looks like wander in and play each game, then you can vote.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 18th, 2013 at 11:43:39 AM
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Quote: Buzzardhttp://apheat.net/2012/12/14/the-best-game-at-ravings-cutting-edge-table-game-conference/
Looks like wander in and play each game, then you can vote.
Right, Buzz; there are specific periods over 3 days when the competitor is required to staff the booth. There is about a 7 hour aggregate of time in blocks.
Judges carry a tally as well as a ballot. Competitors must indicate on each tally that the judge has visited the booth and played the game.
Once all booths have been visited at least once and the tally is full, the judge may vote for 3 places on their ballot, and submit both for counting.
Raving is estimating somewhere around 100-120 eligible to be judges, but my info is about 3 weeks old; that may have gone up appreciably.
Wednesday afternoon they will announce the winners.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
November 18th, 2013 at 1:17:35 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanThey're showing it? Great!
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gaming-business/game-inventors/15480-2013-ravings-table-games-conference-who-is-going/20/#post290445
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 18th, 2013 at 1:45:53 PM
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Good luck to everyone presenting this week at Raving.
For all the pomp, for all the circumstance, for all the bombast--especially the bombast--the content is what matters. Just by having your game at such a prestigious event, you are ahead of 99% of the dreamers and wannabees out there. And for that, you deserve respect and congratulations.
Don't forget to attend Switch's presentation on game design. No matter the endeavor, if you want to learn, learn from the best. He is well on his way to being one of the all-time greats in this little world of ours, and your prospects for success will improve appreciably by taking heed of his experiences and his advice.
For all the pomp, for all the circumstance, for all the bombast--especially the bombast--the content is what matters. Just by having your game at such a prestigious event, you are ahead of 99% of the dreamers and wannabees out there. And for that, you deserve respect and congratulations.
Don't forget to attend Switch's presentation on game design. No matter the endeavor, if you want to learn, learn from the best. He is well on his way to being one of the all-time greats in this little world of ours, and your prospects for success will improve appreciably by taking heed of his experiences and his advice.
November 18th, 2013 at 2:39:46 PM
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I can confirm that OFTM is nicely situated next to Double Draw Poker in SHFL's booth, well done Babs!
The place was a buzz [no relation :-)] this AM with set up in anticipation for the Reception this evening. What is impressive is the size of the show growing from 21 games last year to 30 this year including the 6 from Galaxy/SHFL which are not in the competition.
I have some IP concerns for some of the entrants.....they appear to clearly infringe on known games & mechanisms....Pacman you should definitely stop by a few of the booths to introduce yourself :-)
There are some good games here and it will be interesting to see what resonates with the attendees....and gets the votes!
Good luck to all and as Pacman indicated, being part of the exhibit and getting this kind of feedback puts a game way ahead. Looking forward to a fun few days.
The place was a buzz [no relation :-)] this AM with set up in anticipation for the Reception this evening. What is impressive is the size of the show growing from 21 games last year to 30 this year including the 6 from Galaxy/SHFL which are not in the competition.
I have some IP concerns for some of the entrants.....they appear to clearly infringe on known games & mechanisms....Pacman you should definitely stop by a few of the booths to introduce yourself :-)
There are some good games here and it will be interesting to see what resonates with the attendees....and gets the votes!
Good luck to all and as Pacman indicated, being part of the exhibit and getting this kind of feedback puts a game way ahead. Looking forward to a fun few days.
November 18th, 2013 at 2:58:39 PM
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Quote: ParadigmI can confirm that OFTM is nicely situated next to Double Draw Poker in SHFL's booth.
http://inbetgaming.com/double_draw.html
DDP looks to be a pretty good game. You get a chance
to draw cards twice, and you're not playing against
the dealer, which is always a plus. Has good bonus
payouts. Plus it already has a lot of installs:
"SHFL entertainment a few weeks ago acquired Double Draw Poker. The game is available at casinos in Connecticut, Missouri, Delaware and Mississippi, and it is coming soon to New Jersey, Florida and Nevada. It will be one of our featured products next month at G2E in Las Vegas, and the inventor will be on hand to answer any questions."
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/14098-double-draw-poker/3/#post265741
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 18th, 2013 at 5:44:17 PM
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Don't want to open another can of worms But Double Draw poker was trademarks for slots in 2001 by Sigma Games and in 2005 by Bally. And in each case died a year later.
Can't find a trademark filled on it now, rack card does not have tm anywhere, SHFL Entertainment site has a small sm after Draw.
What am I missing ?
Can't find a trademark filled on it now, rack card does not have tm anywhere, SHFL Entertainment site has a small sm after Draw.
What am I missing ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 18th, 2013 at 6:52:38 PM
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Quote: BuzzardDon't want to open another can of worms But Double Draw poker was trademarks for slots in 2001 by Sigma Games and in 2005 by Bally. And in each case died a year later.
Can't find a trademark filled on it now, rack card does not have tm anywhere, SHFL Entertainment site has a small sm after Draw.
What am I missing ?
Not sure, but generic double-draw video poker is one of the largest problems in casino gaming math, compute-wise. The idea has been around for over a decade and is almost always discarded as unworkable. The strategy is just too big to comprehend.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
November 20th, 2013 at 1:37:55 PM
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Live update from the Conference. Top 3 games as voted on by the participants are...
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November 20th, 2013 at 1:38:53 PM
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3rd place - 3-1 Blackjack
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November 20th, 2013 at 1:39:43 PM
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Suspense is building !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 20th, 2013 at 1:39:45 PM
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2nd - Riverboat Roullette
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November 20th, 2013 at 1:40:38 PM
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1st- War Blackjack
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November 20th, 2013 at 1:40:57 PM
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REALLY > LUCK BROTHERS WOW !!!!!
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 20th, 2013 at 1:46:51 PM
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Congratulations to all the winners! Well done!
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
November 20th, 2013 at 1:52:23 PM
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Congratulation to Kevin The Handsome One and Kent Luck, his brother.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 20th, 2013 at 2:02:09 PM
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Quote: Zcore132nd - Riverboat Roullette
Is this a joke? I hate this game, as I pointed out
multiple times in this thread: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gaming-business/game-inventors/11139-riverboat-roulette-roulette-with-place-bets-multiple-spin-wagers/
It will never catch on, it's too complicated and
roulette players don't like it when you mess with
their game. If this won 2nd place, something is
seriously wrong with the judging at Raving.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 20th, 2013 at 2:05:09 PM
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I disagree. It's different, but different can be good. You have to recruit new players and colors and side bets could just do that.
I did not vote, but to criticize the voters because you don't like something is wrong.
ZCore13
I did not vote, but to criticize the voters because you don't like something is wrong.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
November 20th, 2013 at 2:36:11 PM
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Quote: Zcore13
I did not vote, but to criticize the voters because you don't like something is wrong.
ZCore13
I was for Romney and was flayed on this site
when Obama won. People certainly praise
others for voting for their favorite, I can criticize
when they vote for a dog.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 20th, 2013 at 3:38:29 PM
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Just got back from the event and overall it seemed to go really well.
I could see 6 or 7 games that were likely contenders for the top 3 places.
Note that the 1st and 3rd spots were won by games that are very simple concepts - explained in less than 30 seconds.
I could see 6 or 7 games that were likely contenders for the top 3 places.
Note that the 1st and 3rd spots were won by games that are very simple concepts - explained in less than 30 seconds.
November 20th, 2013 at 6:04:37 PM
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It was a good show and worthwhile attending. Obviously Lucky and I were hoping to hit the podium, but it just wasn't to be.
I am really excited for Tim (TNT23), recall that he was pretty harshly criticized by the group when he introduced his 3-1 BJ concept. He should be commended for addressing the AP concerns that were raised (and they isn't an issue there per Charles' report). Very simple concept and you drop it right on an existing BJ table.
As Switch indicated, simple concepts seemed to be a good formula for getting votes as it worked for War BJ as well.
Riverboat Roulette was also given a rough ride here on the Forum. The Luck Bros. have two placements in the UK and some in Missouri as well as some serious sales inquiries from the Show. Congrats to them for sticking with it despite the many naysayers.
"Sticking with it" is the plan for Lucky & I, continue to sell Lucky Stiff side bet for for BJ and push for a first install of M21 in WA or Mississippi.....or Nevada if we get any call backs from properties that saw the M21 this week.
I am really excited for Tim (TNT23), recall that he was pretty harshly criticized by the group when he introduced his 3-1 BJ concept. He should be commended for addressing the AP concerns that were raised (and they isn't an issue there per Charles' report). Very simple concept and you drop it right on an existing BJ table.
As Switch indicated, simple concepts seemed to be a good formula for getting votes as it worked for War BJ as well.
Riverboat Roulette was also given a rough ride here on the Forum. The Luck Bros. have two placements in the UK and some in Missouri as well as some serious sales inquiries from the Show. Congrats to them for sticking with it despite the many naysayers.
"Sticking with it" is the plan for Lucky & I, continue to sell Lucky Stiff side bet for for BJ and push for a first install of M21 in WA or Mississippi.....or Nevada if we get any call backs from properties that saw the M21 this week.
November 20th, 2013 at 6:40:46 PM
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It was nice to be reintroduced to everyone.
Paradigm, I enjoyed talking to you. The mind power and innovation in that room alone was phenomenal!
Good luck everyone.
Paradigm, I enjoyed talking to you. The mind power and innovation in that room alone was phenomenal!
Good luck everyone.
November 20th, 2013 at 6:42:26 PM
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Quote: EvenBobIs this a joke? I hate this game, as I pointed out
multiple times in this thread: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gaming-business/game-inventors/11139-riverboat-roulette-roulette-with-place-bets-multiple-spin-wagers/
It will never catch on, it's too complicated and
roulette players don't like it when you mess with
their game. If this won 2nd place, something is
seriously wrong with the judging at Raving.
I wasn't surprised this made the top 3. These guys made a very good, polished presentation. Both in explaining the rules of the game as well as making the case for the game (e.g., why should you put this in your casino?) It's an add-on the the standard roulette game which earns more than the standard roulette game (they have the numbers to prove it) which helps keep players from walking off. It doesn't "mess with" roulette as the players who don't like it simply won't play it. The layout and the name are good as well. Perhaps we will see more of this game soon.
November 20th, 2013 at 6:54:46 PM
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Quote: jonThe layout and the name are good as well. Perhaps we will see more of this game soon.
Too bad nobody will play it. You'll see.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 20th, 2013 at 7:28:30 PM
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Quote: EvenBobI was for Romney and was flayed on this site
when Obama won. People certainly praise
others for voting for their favorite, I can criticize
when they vote for a dog.
I don't believe anyone criticized you for voting for Romney. You were criticized for your full confidence predictions which ended up being impressively wrong.
Good times.
Oscar
November 20th, 2013 at 7:33:55 PM
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Quote: oscar33I don't believe anyone criticized you for voting for Romney. You were criticized for your full confidence predictions which ended up being impressively wrong.
Good times.
Oscar
You forgot to add the ~6 week hiatus.
November 20th, 2013 at 7:43:54 PM
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Quote: oscar33I don't believe anyone criticized you for voting for Romney.
You must be joking! I have been told repeatedly
since the election that I need to APOLOGIZE to
the forum for supporting Romney! It's not enough
I was wrong, I have to be publicly sorry for
supporting the loser? Screw that.
And I believe my choice has been vindicated in the
last month, as recent polls show Obama would lose
if the election was today. Wait till next year when
the crap really hits the fan. You'll all be super happy
you voted for Obummer then. LOL
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 20th, 2013 at 7:49:08 PM
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Quote: EvenBob
And I believe my choice has been vindicated in the
last month, as recent polls show Obama would lose
if the election was today. Wait till next year when
the crap really hits the fan. You'll all be super happy
you voted for Obummer then. LOL
1006 adults is always a great sample.
November 20th, 2013 at 7:52:05 PM
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Quote: SwitchJust got back from the event and overall it seemed to go really well.
I could see 6 or 7 games that were likely contenders for the top 3 places.
Note that the 1st and 3rd spots were won by games that are very simple concepts - explained in less than 30 seconds.
That is correct, Switch, and that is one thing I will continue to emphasize to clients.
November 20th, 2013 at 7:59:47 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneYou forgot to add the ~6 week hiatus.
That must've been like a Hawaiian vacation. Sunshine, gentle breezes, relaxing in the sand ~ alo ha ee ~~alo ha ee ~~ waves gently breaking below your feet, umbrella drink of your choice on a long bendystraw ~ ahhhhh ~
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
November 21st, 2013 at 5:07:10 PM
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Michael, thanks for the kind words. It was a pleasure being side by side with you and Harry throughout the show. You guys are pure "class".
November 21st, 2013 at 5:07:11 PM
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Michael, thanks for the kind words. It was a pleasure being side by side with you and Harry throughout the show. You guys are pure "class".
November 21st, 2013 at 5:32:44 PM
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Quote: TnT23Michael, thanks for the kind words. It was a pleasure being side by side with you and Harry throughout the show. You guys are pure "class".
Yeah, I'm in the Paradigm Fan Club too, Tim; he's very generous and kind. My congrats to you and 3-1!
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
November 21st, 2013 at 5:55:23 PM
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Thank you beachbumbabs. My congratulations to you as well with One For the Money!
November 21st, 2013 at 5:58:42 PM
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Is the house edge 5.6 % on the 3-1/ Is this for the 2 units combined ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 21st, 2013 at 6:13:55 PM
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4.65% for the 2 units combined on a 6-deck game
November 21st, 2013 at 6:20:36 PM
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Thanks for reply. Assume hands per hours slightly lower than 6/5 6 deck game ? Money goes fast enough in that game, this is twice HE and required double table minimum when playing side bet regularly. Just asking !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 22nd, 2013 at 1:49:32 PM
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Quote: TnT23Michael, thanks for the kind words. It was a pleasure being side by side with you and Harry throughout the show. You guys are pure "class".
Sitting at McCarren airport waiting for my flight back to Texas and thinking about the show 'positives.' One was certainly meeting you and being your 'next door' neighbor, Tim. You and '3 to 1 BJ' are very deserving of the recognition as a top game at the show, and I wish you much success down the road.
"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." -- Winston Churchill
