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Quote: ThermosThree Card Poker is by far the most successful carnival game in history. You have to understand that when it came out (mid-1990s), it changed the paradigm for a poker-based table game. Unlike Let it Ride or Caribbean Stud, it didn't have any coin slots or betting sensors and it didn't have a "life-changing" jackpot. The top award was only 40 to 1. The game was--and still is--a seamless and flawless execution of the Ante-Call betting structure, with an optional bonus bet that actually hit 1 out of every 4 hands.
My evaluation of 3cp is on 2 levels from my gambling instincts and second from my professional opinion.
First, as a gambler, the game is so boring, I would rather stick needles in my eyes than play it, the pair plus is the savior of the game, and that is fairly weak. Its slow, and has an appeal to the scratch card market, because essentially, that is what the game really is.
"look at my cards" "did I win?" mostly, no, ah, I can bet another stake and if the dealer doesn't qualify. And if the dealers doesn't qualify I win the stake I just put down! Yeah thats a great bet! And sadly that is probably 60% or higher the outcome and experience for the player. A bonus bet that pays even money doesn't rock my boat (which is the most common pair plus payout by some margin)
As a croupier/game developer the game is essentially 3 card brag with a paytable, a game I was playing as a child in the 1970's. It has a arbitrary and naked edge for the house (queen high to qualify) which is undesirable. It is better for the player if the edge is hidden in the maths so players do not see the dealers having an explicit advantage. The game is not enjoyable to deal, the players hands are dealt with one at a time, slowing the game down, the dealer (if not using a shuffler) has to shuffle every hand so turnover is reduced.
From a business perspective. Absolute winner, can't argue. It took a long time and a lot of aggravation for Derek Webb to get his game in anywhere, UK rejected, Vegas (I believe) rejected it, I think it was on the Mississippi Boats that he finally got his chance. He bust his balls to get the game in when many would have given up and for that he is to be massively respected.
But, as a croupier and player the game is not very good. I think when I hear, as is often said on this forum, everyone looking for the next 3cp, I am sure they mean the success of 3cp, and that has I have repeatedly acknowledge is amazing, that doesn't mean the game is good, not at all.
Granted, everyone has their game of choice, and shows opinionated bias towards and against particular games. I know I have my favorites.
I dealt it frequently when I worked in the pit, and it is a fast and easy to deal game with a shuffler machine (99% of the time this was the case), and not any more boring to deal than Blackjack. In terms of dealing the game, it is one of the most trouble-free games in the pit. Being assigned to Three Card Poker usually made for an easy and fun night dealing. Being assigned to craps on swing shift often meant a TON of jammed-up and hard dealing work, and a lot of nasty shot takers.
The qualifier's "naked edge" for the house is no different than any other poker-based game's qualifier, and is faster, easier, and seemingly fairer than charging a commission.
It has 1,500 installs, which indicates it is an absolute winner across the board, not just in a business sense. The players chose the game, and the casino operators followed. You don't get to 1,500 installs unless you got it ALL together 100%.
You seem to take a different approach in that it appears you are looking to create some "art work" type creation that not only is popular with players, but has some sort of other "secret ingredient" that makes those inside the business go "Wow, that really is a beautiful game".....or something like that.
I just want to create a player experience that is better/different than what is available now. I will consider it a success not based on how I feel about the game, but how the players vote on the game by shoving dollars down the drop box. For me it is about the popularity of the game with the gambling public in its entirety, not a select group of table game aficionados. With that as the judging criteria anything north of 100 installs is a success and at 250 installs, Casino War is a home run. With over 1000 installs, 3CP is a grand slam home run.
;-)
Quote: McDemon
But, as a croupier and player the game is not very good. I think when I hear, as is often said on this forum, everyone looking for the next 3cp, I am sure they mean the success of 3cp, and that has I have repeatedly acknowledge is amazing, that doesn't mean the game is good, not at all.
Which games, pray tell, do you consider good?
Quote: ThermosYou've convinced me: TCP is so-so, but it's hardly the "finest casino card game ever created."
;-)
No, its not, Switch Match is the finest casino card game ever created, that's right...when you play it, you will agree..a digital version will be available later this year..and I look forward to you guys playing it.. then you will see what I am on about. :)
Quote: ParadigmMcD, I think the different perspective you have from most on the board is that many look at game development purely as a business. They want to develop a game that players want to play and casinos will therefore pay to have on their floor. The higher the demand by players, the more can be charged for a developed game. For them, a game is only judged as great or a success if players want to play it and casinos want to pay for it. They look at install count, revenue generation, monthly lease rate, etc.
You seem to take a different approach in that it appears you are looking to create some "art work" type creation that not only is popular with players, but has some sort of other "secret ingredient" that makes those inside the business go "Wow, that really is a beautiful game".....or something like that.
I just want to create a player experience that is better/different than what is available now. I will consider it a success not based on how I feel about the game, but how the players vote on the game by shoving dollars down the drop box. For me it is about the popularity of the game with the gambling public in its entirety, not a select group of table game aficionados. With that as the judging criteria anything north of 100 installs is a success and at 250 installs, Casino War is a home run. With over 1000 installs, 3CP is a grand slam home run.
There is some successful "game design art," and two examples come to mind:
1. John H. Winn's modern crap layout (which he did around World War I). No game has the juice of craps, but it is a veteran Player's aficionado's game to be on top of the full action of a busy crap game.
2. The full-blown strategy poker games (Roger Snow's Four Card Poker and later).
Casino War can be considered mindlessly simple, but it works. I think three card poker is more elegant than simply simple - and it really works.
Any casino game design that makes it, shows off the work of a competent game designer.
Quote: ThermosWhich games, pray tell, do you consider good?
Honestly, I can't think of any that I would play now, I do like Punto but I have to go to London to play it. You have to remember I have been in the casino business for a long time, 28 years. I was trained in the UK when we were delivery some of the best standards in the world, best croupiers (not sure that is true anymore) in a highly regulated business. When I started, dealers and Inspectors (not sure what they are called now, supervisors I suppose) had separate staff quarters, were not permitted to date with each other..gambling was a preserve of the middle class (in the UK, that is the upper working class or something like that) and higher. Strict dress code, no drinking on the gaming floor and various other restrictions. In the US, its never been like that, Vegas has largely been for tourists and caters pretty much for everyone, and is by definition, a totally different market. Casino War has installs in the US.. aside from several casinos, its non existent in the UK. My background means I approach game development from a completely different perspective and as I learn more about the various markets, it will no doubt change again.
Yes, I believe game development should aim for high standards, which is based on my background. The industry is going to change more in the next 10 years than it has in the last 30..developing games that are going to last/replace the legacy games is challenging. If in a years time I am still banging on about quality/high standards and crap games and I haven't made any success with my products, you can berate me all you want as a elitist dreamer..
Quote: McDemonThe industry is going to change more in the next 10 years than it has in the last 30..developing games that are going to last/replace the legacy games is challenging.
I believe that blackjack, roulette, craps and possibly baccarat have reached a level of entrenchment far exceeding that of the past popular games that got retired.
There are two reasons.
One, the whole casino industry is becoming a bit nostalgic. You don't need cards or dice to gamble anymore; you don't even need to sit at a physical machine, when you can do it online. Casinos are delivering a specific product, one that there's little objective need for, but one that consumers have become endeared with.
Two, before somewhere in the first half of this century, there was no cinema phenomenon. Knowledge of games and their vibe were passed by the word of mouth. Today, it's preserved in film, and, as people keep watching movies including older ones, they want to experience what they see, maintaining its momentum.
It's a little like the booze industry. They've added alcopops (cf. slots), but other than that, by and large, people want traditionally aged whiskey, old-fashioned bottled wine, craft beer... the demand for tradition is now greater than ever.
Quote: ParadigmMcD, I think the different perspective you have from most on the board is that many look at game development purely as a business. They want to develop a game that players want to play and casinos will therefore pay to have on their floor. The higher the demand by players, the more can be charged for a developed game. For them, a game is only judged as great or a success if players want to play it and casinos want to pay for it. They look at install count, revenue generation, monthly lease rate, etc.
You seem to take a different approach in that it appears you are looking to create some "art work" type creation that not only is popular with players, but has some sort of other "secret ingredient" that makes those inside the business go "Wow, that really is a beautiful game".....or something like that.
I just want to create a player experience that is better/different than what is available now. I will consider it a success not based on how I feel about the game, but how the players vote on the game by shoving dollars down the drop box. For me it is about the popularity of the game with the gambling public in its entirety, not a select group of table game aficionados. With that as the judging criteria anything north of 100 installs is a success and at 250 installs, Casino War is a home run. With over 1000 installs, 3CP is a grand slam home run.
I think you raise some fair points which I have previously commented on in this thread, You're right, casino game development for me is about creating ground breaking new casino games, not sidebets or variations on current games. It is about seeking to add/replace the current band of casino games as not really any good, gamblers should expect better games. Ambitious. Mad, possibly. To do that, the games will have to be better than the current crop, but also fit in with the reality of casino economics. But the business is changing and expanding into new markets. Digital delivery is now, with new ways to create revenue streams online, different economics apply and different players and opportunities will emerge.
Thats my plan. I could be sometime!
Quote: P90I believe that blackjack, roulette, craps and possibly baccarat have reached a level of entrenchment far exceeding that of the past popular games that got retired.
There are two reasons.
One, the whole casino industry is becoming a bit nostalgic. You don't need cards or dice to gamble anymore; you don't even need to sit at a physical machine, when you can do it online. Casinos are delivering a specific product, one that there's little objective need for, but one that consumers have become endeared with.
Two, before somewhere in the first half of this century, there was no cinema phenomenon. Knowledge of games and their vibe were passed by the word of mouth. Today, it's preserved in film, and, as people keep watching movies including older ones, they want to experience what they see, maintaining its momentum.
It's a little like the booze industry. They've added alcopops (cf. slots), but other than that, by and large, people want traditionally aged whiskey, old-fashioned bottled wine, craft beer... the demand for tradition is now greater than ever.
Great post, I strongly agree.
Quote: ThermosEver wonder what happened to Caribbean Stud? Three Card Poker ate it!
To some extent this is true, but I don't attribute the success of TCP to being a greatly superior game. In my opinion, CSP and TCP are almost the same thing (CSP uses 5 cards, not 3, and CSP having the progressive jackpot instead of the straight non-progressive side bet paytable). TCP is slightly better in that it is a faster game, but I attribute most of the success of TCP to two things: 1) TCP has a very good name (some may disagree as it is somewhat generic-- however, the name sounds simple enough that people walking by probably thought "this seems simple enough" and sat down; and 2) SHFL distributed TCP while in its heyday, CSP was distributed by DP Stud (and I think later on by Progressive/Mikohn before SHFL acquired it but please correct me if I am wrong). SHFL of course has always had the best distribution network and I don't think the smaller companies could distribute as well.
I don't think it is completely fair to base a conclusion that one game is superior to the other based on performance when they were distributed by different companies.
Fast forward 14 years and the score is now TCP 1,700 and CSP 250.
When I ran table games for SHFL it was routine for our salespeople to replace a CSP table with TCP.
The game, in my opinion, is far superior to CSP for these reasons:
1. Qualifying rule is less punishing.
2. Fold rate is lower.
3. Pair Plus.
4. Inherent superiority of three-card hand distributions vs. five-card hand distributions.
Quote: PacmanCaribbean Stud is not dead. In fact, with more than 250 placements, it remains one of the top games in the industry.
The game reaches its zenith in the early 2000s. In my opinion, these games each took a bite out of its bum:
1. Three Card Poker
2. Four Card Poker
3. Crazy 4 Poker
4. Texas Shootout
5. Let it Ride
6. Boston 5 Stud Poker
UTH and Mississippi Stud came along well after Caribbean Stud started to decline.
I'm surprised you mentioned Boston 5 here. It didn't last very long in Missouri at all, pretty sure less than a year. But it will always have a soft spot in my heart because I tried the game because it was "new" and I bothered to play the "Pair Plus" side bet from your first three cards since it paid 1-4-6-30-40 while the 3CP tables at the same casino had been downgraded to 3 to 1 on the flush. Shortly into the session I was dealt 3 Jacks. Sadly it is still my biggest table game win ever at ~$200. Note: I very rarely play table games to attempt to break that record.
That's why I ranked Boston 5 No. 6 on the list. The game knocked out a lot of CSP tables from AC in 2002-2003.Quote: tringlomaneI'm surprised you mentioned Boston 5 here. It didn't last very long in Missouri at all, pretty sure less than a year. But it will always have a soft spot in my heart because I tried the game because it was "new" and I bothered to play the "Pair Plus" side bet from your first three cards since it paid 1-4-6-30-40 while the 3CP tables at the same casino had been downgraded to 3 to 1 on the flush. Shortly into the session I was dealt 3 Jacks. Sadly it is still my biggest table game win ever at ~$200. Note: I very rarely play table games to attempt to break that record.
Quote: IbeatyouracesIt was here but didn't make it in the permanent MGM.
The last time I saw Boston 5 was at Harrah's Rincon in California a few years ago. Like a lot of games, it sizzled and then quickly fizzled.
Quote: PacmanWhen SHFL acquired TCP in 1999, it had 160 installs. CSP had about 1,000.
Fast forward 14 years and the score is now TCP 1,700 and CSP 250.
I can't argue with those numbers, I stand corrected. I thought the success of TCP was based mostly on SHFL's marketing/distribution machine, but it seems TCP has the superior qualities you mentioned. To me they were always mostly the same game (although the patents were granted on TCP so apparently they aren't). Also, I played a lot of CSP a very long time ago (not in Nevada) and I don't recall ever seeing it dealt with a hand forming shuffler. I would think that SHFL purposely didn't make an automatic 5-card hand forming shuffler, thus giving the TCP games a speed advantage. But the latter is just my guess.
Quote: McDemonNo, its not, Switch Match is the finest casino card game ever created.
Off the top of my head, I can think of 50 table games that are finer ... and that's just the ones created by Mr. Casino Games. :-)
Quote: PacmanCaribbean Stud is not dead. In fact, with more than 250 placements, it remains one of the top games in the industry.
The game reaches its zenith in the early 2000s. In my opinion, these games each took a bite out of its bum:
1. Three Card Poker
2. Four Card Poker
3. Crazy 4 Poker
4. Texas Shootout
5. Let it Ride
6. Boston 5 Stud Poker
UTH and Mississippi Stud came along well after Caribbean Stud started to decline.
I thank Wild Hold ’em Fold ’em (Now Deuces Wild) should be in the list.
Also Casino Hold'em took a big bite out of it too in Europe, Africa, South Africa, Egypt (in 2000-) and later in the Internet (in 2006-).
Quote: MrCasinoGamesI thank Wild Hold ’em Fold ’em (Now Deuces Wild) should be in the list.
Also Casino Hold'em took a big bite out of it too in Europe, Africa, South Africa, Egypt and later in the Internet.
Agree more with the latter than the former.
Quote: ThermosOff the top of my head, I can think of 50 table games that are finer ... and that's just the ones created by Mr. Casino Games. :-)
Yeah, your probably right
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All three properties have reported significant increase in play with Monte Casino alone reporting an additional 10,000 side bets wagered over a weekend.
Monte Casino is currently running Chase the Ace and Raise 'Em Poker Xtra and will soon be including Supernova Roulette, bringing their total Supernova tables to 14; Emerald Casino are currently running Jewel Jackpot on Blackjack and Casino Hold 'Em Poker, while Emperor's game mix is Blackjack Block Pro and Casino Hold em Poker.
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Quote: MathExtremistYou should let the TCS marketing department know that misspelling "success" in a graphic headline doesn't look very successful.
Come on, they nearly got it right!
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All three properties have reported significant increase in play with Monte Casino alone reporting an additional 10,000 side bets wagered over a weekend.
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Quote: ThermosOff the top of my head, I can think of 50 table games that are finer ... and that's just the ones created by Mr. Casino Games. :-)
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Quote: ThermosMaybe McDemon will stop by so you can give him some pointers.
Being Mischievous Thermos...naughty boy
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Quote: Buzzardall work and no play is not good. Time for another chip tricks video on youtube, isn't it ?
Yes, Buzzard.
Your are right. I will put a couple of chip tricks video on Youtube soon, and will post it in this thread.
I will do Chip-Tricks request too. Just post here the names of the Chip Tricks you will like to see.
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2. Butterfly Variations.
3. Advanced Ante-Gravity.
4. Anti-Gravity, Muscle-Pass (Black-Hole).
5. Muscle Pass, Anti-Gravity (Over Head).
6. Triple Stack Shuffle (3-Stacks of 6-Chips make it into 1-Stack of 18-Chips).
Quote: RealizeGamingWow Stephen, congrats on all the success!
Thanks, RealizeGaming.
Good lucky with your video poker games too.
Card Trick.
Quote: MrCasinoGamesYes, Buzzard.
Your are right. I will put a couple of chip tricks video on Youtube soon, and will post it in this thread.
I will do Chip-Tricks request too. Just post here the names of the Chip Tricks you will like to see.
For now some old Chip Tricks Video below. By me (Mr CasinoGames®/Mr ChipTricks®).
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1. 6-Chips Flower and Triple Stack Shuffle.
2. Butterfly Variations.
3. Advanced Ante-Gravity.
4. Anti-Gravity, Muscle-Pass (Black-Hole).
5. Muscle Pass, Anti-Gravity (Over Head).
6. Triple Stack Shuffle (3-Stacks of 6-Chips make it into 1-Stack of 18-Chips).
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Very interesting - perhaps I'll see it at the Broadway. It should appeal to those who like Video Poker as it has similar logic, but for the average player my concern would be the cost of making bad decisions, but perhaps then they enjoy Blackjack playing badly! You're getting 24/1 if you're lucky enough to draw a RF, but only getting 8/1 if you're dealt one. (Lucky Draw Baccarat had the same feature, dealt 9s paid 1 unit, drawn 9s, paid 4 units.)Quote: MrCasinoGamesMy new game: Raise’em® 3-Card Draw
8.000 000 St SF
5.000 000 St RF
3.244 898 Dbl Pair (A K Q)
3.122 449 Dbl Trips (A K Q)
3.000 000 St Low Trips (J to 2)
2.000 000 St Straight
2.000 000 St Flush
1.285 714 Dbl K Q Suited
0.918 367 Dbl Q J Suited (less if throwing Jack away)
0.734 694 Dbl Low Suited connectors (less if throwing pair away)
0.387 755 Dbl A K / A Q Suited
0.367 347 Dbl Low Pair (J to 2)
0.061 224 Swp Suited A2 or A3 KJ QT
-0.061 224 Swp Suited J9 T8 .. 42
-0.367 347 Swp K Q Unsuited
-0.489 796 Swp Q J Unsuited
-0.510 204 Swp 2 Suited - 1 High (e.g. AJ)
-0.612 245 Swp Low Unsuited Connectors
-0.632 653 Swp 2 Low Suited Cards
-0.938 776 Swp A K / A Q Unsuited
-1.000 000 St Stand
-1.061 224 Swp A2 / A3 / KJ Unsuited
-2.313 048%
btw It seems strange that you throw away from High Trips just in case you get the last one back.
Quote: tringlomaneI really don't like the paytables stephen...8 to 1 for the Royal...really??
Hi tringlomane,
It does seem small but this is how the maths come out.
I now have a better looking pay-table, so the new Casinos will be using the new pay-table.
Quote: charliepatrickVery interesting - perhaps I'll see it at the Broadway. It should appeal to those who like Video Poker as it has similar logic, but for the average player my concern would be the cost of making bad decisions, but perhaps then they enjoy Blackjack playing badly! You're getting 24/1 if you're lucky enough to draw a RF, but only getting 8/1 if you're dealt one. (Lucky Draw Baccarat had the same feature, dealt 9s paid 1 unit, drawn 9s, paid 4 units.)
8.000 000 St SF
5.000 000 St RF
3.244 898 Dbl Pair (A K Q)
3.122 449 Dbl Trips (A K Q)
3.000 000 St Low Trips (J to 2)
2.000 000 St Straight
2.000 000 St Flush
1.285 714 Dbl K Q Suited
0.918 367 Dbl Q J Suited (less if throwing Jack away)
0.734 694 Dbl Low Suited connectors (less if throwing pair away)
0.387 755 Dbl A K / A Q Suited
0.367 347 Dbl Low Pair (J to 2)
0.061 224 Swp Suited A2 or A3 KJ QT
-0.061 224 Swp Suited J9 T8 .. 42
-0.367 347 Swp K Q Unsuited
-0.489 796 Swp Q J Unsuited
-0.510 204 Swp 2 Suited - 1 High (e.g. AJ)
-0.612 245 Swp Low Unsuited Connectors
-0.632 653 Swp 2 Low Suited Cards
-0.938 776 Swp A K / A Q Unsuited
-1.000 000 St Stand
-1.061 224 Swp A2 / A3 / KJ Unsuited
-2.313 048%
btw It seems strange that you throw away from High Trips just in case you get the last one back.
Hi Charliepatrick,
Thanks for your input.
Your are right, the game should appeal to those who like Video Poker or Slots as it has similar logic.
P.S. if you are going to see it at the Broadway make it a Friday, Saturday or Sunday as it is not so busy on the other days.
It is doing OK so far for the last 2 months.
Managed to play it yesterday and hoping to pop in tonight. Seemed the others were playing the sidebets and on occasions going for things they shouldn't have. I folded quite a few hands, but other people seemed to fairly rarely. I like the payout of 5-1 for Straight (2+3) compared with 3-1 for Flush (2+1) as it means you do go for it some of times (and I did throw away a low pair twice). I sense your luck is in if you tend to make these more often than not. Also I've heard they've paid out the 300/1 for 333s, but seemed not too worried, so I'm guessing the trial is going well.Quote: MrCasinoGames....Broadway make it a Friday....
Quote: charliepatrickManaged to play it yesterday and hoping to pop in tonight. Seemed the others were playing the sidebets and on occasions going for things they shouldn't have. I folded quite a few hands, but other people seemed to fairly rarely. I like the payout of 5-1 for Straight (2+3) compared with 3-1 for Flush (2+1) as it means you do go for it some of times (and I did throw away a low pair twice). I sense your luck is in if you tend to make these more often than not. Also I've heard they've paid out the 300/1 for 333s, but seemed not too worried, so I'm guessing the trial is going well.
Hi Charliepatrick,
Thanks for trying the game out.
Yes, the game is doing very well.
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Player Collusion Analysis
Raise`Em 3-Card Draw is relatively invulnerable to player collusion.
Only at a full table with 7 players sharing complete card information, can ideal decisions (e.g., computer) obtain a small +0.23% edge over the house.
For all fewer number of confederates, complete card info sharing and ideal decisions still yield a house edge.
The following table lists the maximum return obtained by an ideal player colluding with K confederates, sharing complete card information.
The ideal colluding player return was obtained by Monte Carlo simulation of 100 million rounds of hands, where the player return is calculated ideally over the remaining unseen cards in the deck.
Note that the player return approaches the 2.31% house edge for no confederates.
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