7 Star Companion Card
If you're interested please send me a message to discuss it, thanks!
Does it trip the card out when used? Do they swipe it or anything or do you just flash it to them?Quote: iampokerkidHi, I'm looking for somebody who's 7 star for the calendar year of 2019 to make me their "companion". It does not effect you whatsoever, nor is it monitored. As the companion, I do not get any of the benefits of being a 7 star. I simply want it because, as a poker player, it allows me to jump ahead on the lists, which makes it worth getting for me. I'm willing to compensate you for making me your 7 star companion.
If you're interested please send me a message to discuss it, thanks!
Got to figure for 'some' things they absolutely swipe it. Any free nights/etc, and I'm pretty sure they swipe it at the poker room to put you on the list (which would trip you for the day).Quote: AxelWolfDoes it trip the card out when used? Do they swipe it or anything or do you just flash it to them?
...I thought you'd played poker before, Axel. Then again after playing with you I guess maybe you haven't. =) <3
Would def need to be swiped at the poker room to put me on the list, I would be getting a seperate "companion card" though, doesn't effect your card. Curious why this is being asked though, is there a drawback for the 7star card holder when I use mine that I'm unaware of? I know a lot of poker players who have gotten the companion cards from friends, as far as I know there is no issues.
Quote: iampokerkidYeah not sure exactly what "trip" the card means, not too familiar with 7star/comps tbh.
Would def need to be swiped at the poker room to put me on the list, I would be getting a seperate "companion card" though, doesn't effect your card. Curious why this is being asked though, is there a drawback for the 7star card holder when I use mine that I'm unaware of?
It depends on how they calculate the value of the game you play, whether you would hurt or help the 7Stars. Most likely hurt unless you're playing really high stakes.
Every time the card is swiped counts as a play day for calculation of average daily theoretical ( adt). Adt affects the values of the comps sent to the primary player. The companion card does affect the value of the primary card. The model is based on one large gambler who has another person with them who's not a big gambler (or they'd have their own tier card).
Adt formulas are proprietary, so we can mostly only speculate on how much the companion might dilute the primary card. But if the 7Star plays huge say, 8 days a year, that's one known cost to CET to entertain on a 7Stars level. If the companion is playing redchip poker 3 Days a week, independent of the 7Star, that's small play 156 days a year while using 7Star privileges, and the adt (freeplay, cage cash, big offers) on the main account will crash.
Maybe you're playing big enough that it would actually help the 7Star. Hard to say, but unlikely. I would guess (and it really is a guess) frequent use of the companion card could cost the 7Star 30k-50k in lost comps overy a year.
I could be wrong. I've been Diamond for 16 straight years now, but never 7Star. I've seen some of their offers, though, and some get 1k+ /week in offers that could get negated.
I would never use a card when paying poker, unless I absolutely had to for a promotion.Quote: RomesGot to figure for 'some' things they absolutely swipe it. Any free nights/etc, and I'm pretty sure they swipe it at the poker room to put you on the list (which would trip you for the day).
...I thought you'd played poker before, Axel. Then again after playing with you I guess maybe you haven't. =) <3
Quote: beachbumbabsIt depends on how they calculate the value of the game you play, whether you would hurt or help the 7Stars. Most likely hurt unless you're playing really high stakes.
Every time the card is swiped counts as a play day for calculation of average daily theoretical ( adt). Adt affects the values of the comps sent to the primary player. The companion card does affect the value of the primary card. The model is based on one large gambler who has another person with them who's not a big gambler (or they'd have their own tier card).
Adt formulas are proprietary, so we can mostly only speculate on how much the companion might dilute the primary card. But if the 7Star plays huge say, 8 days a year, that's one known cost to CET to entertain on a 7Stars level. If the companion is playing redchip poker 3 Days a week, independent of the 7Star, that's small play 156 days a year while using 7Star privileges, and the adt (freeplay, cage cash, big offers) on the main account will crash.
Maybe you're playing big enough that it would actually help the 7Star. Hard to say, but unlikely. I would guess (and it really is a guess) frequent use of the companion card could cost the 7Star 30k-50k in lost comps overy a year.
I could be wrong. I've been Diamond for 16 straight years now, but never 7Star. I've seen some of their offers, though, and some get 1k+ /week in offers that could get negated.
Ahh, great explanation.
To answer your question: Yes, I play high stakes poker, and I would only be using it for when I travel to a few tournaments throughout the year, plus the WSOP in the summer. That's exactly why I need it -- for high stakes poker, getting into a specific game (and being #1 on the list) saves a lot of time, especially when I wake up really late. I would be playing mostly 10/25 and 25/50, but also 5/5 if neither of those are running.
So I'd assume that my play would be slightly +EV or breakevenish for the card holder.
Would appreciate your input on this, otherwise your previous post will certainly scare off anybody who was considering it lol.
Next thing you know they are using it in the diamond lounge or someone is putting it in a penny slot. (If I ever find Romes card I will play 1 coin on a penny slot once per day for a week)Quote: beachbumbabsIt depends on how they calculate the value of the game you play, whether you would hurt or help the 7Stars. Most likely hurt unless you're playing really high stakes.
Every time the card is swiped counts as a play day for calculation of average daily theoretical ( adt). Adt affects the values of the comps sent to the primary player. The companion card does affect the value of the primary card. The model is based on one large gambler who has another person with them who's not a big gambler (or they'd have their own tier card).
Adt formulas are proprietary, so we can mostly only speculate on how much the companion might dilute the primary card. But if the 7Star plays huge say, 8 days a year, that's one known cost to CET to entertain on a 7Stars level. If the companion is playing redchip poker 3 Days a week, independent of the 7Star, that's small play 156 days a year while using 7Star privileges, and the adt (freeplay, cage cash, big offers) on the main account will crash.
Maybe you're playing big enough that it would actually help the 7Star. Hard to say, but unlikely. I would guess (and it really is a guess) frequent use of the companion card could cost the 7Star 30k-50k in lost comps overy a year.
I could be wrong. I've been Diamond for 16 straight years now, but never 7Star. I've seen some of their offers, though, and some get 1k+ /week in offers that could get negated.
I have heard conflicting reports on companion cards. Personally, I wouldn't want to take any chances unless the compensation was significant. I do believe companion cards can even be used to your benefit if you want to book some rooms and don't plan on playing.
Quote: AxelWolfNext thing you know they are using it in the diamond lounge or someone is putting it in a penny slot. (If I ever find Romes card I will play 1 coin on a penny slot once per day for a week)
I have heard conflicting reports on companion cards. Personally, I wouldn't want to take any chances unless the compensation was significant. I do believe companion cards can even be used to your benefit if you want to book some rooms and don't plan on playing.
Damn, yall are set on ensuring nobody accepts my offer lmao.
Now that I know this, I would absolutely limit my use of the card and not use the diamond lounge, nor would I ever play penny slots (or slots of any kind).
I'd ask the best strategies of getting a 7s card myself, but i don't live near a ceasars property anywho so I wouldn't be able to use the comps. like I said, I'd only be using it a few times a year for jumping the list in high stakes poker games
Quote: iampokerkidAhh, great explanation.
To answer your question: Yes, I play high stakes poker, and I would only be using it for when I travel to a few tournaments throughout the year, plus the WSOP in the summer. That's exactly why I need it -- for high stakes poker, getting into a specific game (and being #1 on the list) saves a lot of time, especially when I wake up really late. I would be playing mostly 10/25 and 25/50, but also 5/5 if neither of those are running.
So I'd assume that my play would be slightly +EV or breakevenish for the card holder.
Would appreciate your input on this, otherwise your previous post will certainly scare off anybody who was considering it lol.
If you're playing on that level, and could project a schedule you might be using the card for the next year, I think there are at least a couple people here who might take a chance on you. Maybe even a piece of your action if you're selling, you never know. I was picturing more a 1/2 or 1/3 player in weekly games. You're playing waaayyy above that.
Wasn't really looking to scare people off. More to explain why people might hesitate. I would encourage you to take that negotiation to Private Messaging, though. Probably most don't want to have the conversation in public.
Quote: beachbumbabsIf you're playing on that level, and could project a schedule you might be using it for the next year, I think there are at least a couple people here who might take a chance on you. Maybe even a piece of your action if you're selling, you never know. I was picturing more a 1/2 or 1/3 player in weekly games. You're playing waaayyy above that.
Sweet, I'd really appreciate it if you could send them to my thread/me.
As for selling action, it's difficult selling action for cash games, as there has to be a great deal of trust, and it's very hard to build that sort of rapport. They have to trust that I'm not falsifying results, and I have to trust that they'll pay for incurred losses.
Additionally, I don't really need to sell action unless the game is 50/100+
So, I would be willing to sell action if I happened to see a very juicy big game that I wouldn't otherwise play with 100% of my own action, but that would not be the norm.
As for a schedule -- yeah, I'll go look at it again and get a more clear picture of what my usage would look like. I'm not going to post the actual places I'll be attending on this thread, but I can give an idea of how many days I'll be playing throughout the year and whatnot.
Quote: beachbumbabs
Wasn't really looking to scare people off. More to explain why people might hesitate. I would encourage you to take that negotiation to Private Messaging, though. Probably most don't want to have the conversation in public.
Yeah I understand. And yeh, def intend on talking via private message, I don't want to do business out in public either
Really appreciate your replies, very informative, I was rather clueless to the whole process other then knowing other people have gotten a companion card and what they paid for theirs.
For one thing isnt live poker player vs player. Does a casino count a rake as a theoretical?
There are swipes that do not affect ADT. Most food outlets in casinos do not trip out (but not all) and as I have vehemently stated in other threads swiping at a kiosk almost never trips out
No mess Companion thing's to mess with.
Quote: ZourahThe value from one of those cards at the WSOP in terms of skipping lines is pretty substantial by itself.
Yes and no. The high limit section is mostly only 10/25, and then 25/50 will run occasionally, and its not a guarantee to be a soft game worth skipping into.
The 10/25 has so many tables running that you're always getting into the game within 20 minutes, so it would only be used for getting into the occasional 25/50 game (assuming it's good). Now consider that you can only use it at the Rio, but there's plenty of good games at Aria/bellagio. Having it would certainly incentivize me to go to the RIo instead depending on what's going on that particular day, but it's not a substantial amount of value. I'll also be at the wsop for less then a month.
Quote: darkozI am not certain swipes for poker rooms would trip out
For one thing isnt live poker player vs player. Does a casino count a rake as a theoretical?
There are swipes that do not affect ADT. Most food outlets in casinos do not trip out (but not all) and as I have vehemently stated in other threads swiping at a kiosk almost never trips out
THANK YOU. I was just accepting everybody elses input as fact because I assumed they were more informed on the matter then me, but I found it odd that other poker players were able to get the companion card so easily if the cardholders were truly so concerned about diluting their comps.
Is there any way for us to find out? Probably not because they wouldn't want to discuss anything pertaining to the algorithm.
Well, since I'm playing big, I likely am +EV for card holders, and then if it doesn't effect ADT, a cardholder would now have no reason to not give it to me.
If the cardholder is trying to maintain levels and NOT comp hustle (which would be worthless to you) then its a legitimate and harmless question of a host
Be warned host have been known to give out misinformation but some are quite knowledgeable. Especially with this type of situation
Leave out the part about you purchasing the companions friendship (which sounds more dubious than it is lol)
Each company handles this differently.
Quote: darkozAside from finding out the hard way I would just ask that persons host
If the cardholder is trying to maintain levels and NOT comp hustle (which would be worthless to you) then its a legitimate and harmless question of a host
Be warned host have been known to give out misinformation but some are quite knowledgeable. Especially with this type of situation
Leave out the part about you purchasing the companions friendship (which sounds more dubious than it is lol)
Quote: FCBLComishI agree. Ask your host if giving the companion card to your spouse will dilute your ADT or ADW if they are in the casino on a day that you are not with them.
Each company handles this differently.
Good points fellas.
So, to anyone who may be concerned: simply ask your host if having a campanion gamble on days you are not present VIA POKER would effect your ADT/ADW.
If the answer is yes, then inquire about whether the stakes of the poker is relevant, and if high stakes would help your rating.
Quote: Azninvasion336I too am looking for someone to add me as a "companion". I only would use it for the lounge access as I just moved to Las Vegas and don't gamble much. Have you found anyone that is willing to add you as a companion? Do you know of anyone who is willing to add me just for the lounge access?
A buddy of mine just paid $1,400 for a companion card. He figured it would save him $10-$15 a day so it was worth it to him.
