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Quote: WizardA bit off topic but Nevada has a law that you can't "live" in a hotel room. The way they enforce it is that the maximum stay in a single property is 30 days. I knew a guy who lived in the Suncoast for about a year but every 30 days they tossed him out for 24 hours, so he just got a room somewhere else for a night, and came right back.
What would a big casino do with a whale? There would be plenty of guys staying in Vegas for months at a time. Can't see them being too happy about be booted out for 24hrs when they're betting $100k a hand on the baccarat tables.
I agree some of Bullhead city is kinda sketchy, its a bit like the carnival section at the state fair. But the small towns surrounding it, places like Needles have some hot small town girls looking for some big city boys.Quote: RogerKintThats because Laughlin hot is like office hot or nuclear submarine hot. "There's no ass like Bullhead City ass" said no one evr.
The "clubs" there on the weekends are not that bad. How could you go wrong at a place called the losers lounge?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yOAOZ4HW8
Close your eyes, drink enuff and you can almost forget you are in Laughlin.
Quote: AxelWolfI agree some of Bullhead city is kinda sketchy, its a bit like the carnival section at the state fair. But the small towns surrounding it, places like Needles have some hot small town girls looking for some big city boys.
The "clubs" there on the weekends are not that bad. How could you go wrong at a place called the losers lounge?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yOAOZ4HW8
Wtffff why is there an office cubicle next to the bar at the 30 second mark? Lmao that's so Laughlin. Someone took their sexy secretary Halloween costume too seriously and brought an entire cubicle. Bad and boujee.
Quote: WizardThis makes me wonder who is benefiting from the 30-day maximum stay rule? Seems to me if the guest and hotel are happy, why is the government saying "no"?
There are actually quite a few different reasons for it, and some have been mentioned already:
As Cyberbabble pointed out, there are legal differences between a hotel and apartment. I can't speak for Nevada, but in Ohio, that doesn't have anything to do with the distinction between extended-stay and transient-stay hotel licensing. The reason why is because the guests of extended stay hotels do not have any more or any fewer rights than the guests of transient stay hotels. The only right they are guaranteed is the right to the room for such time that they have already paid for it, and the duration between charges can be whatever the hotel and guest agree to, as anywhere else.
Again, absent a physical month-to-month lease, there is no such agreement between a guest and an extended stay hotel in Ohio. The extended stay hotels are not adjudicated as apartments.
DiscreteMaths2 is 100% correct is his assertion that taxes have something to do with it. There is no Occupancy Tax after thirty days, and in Ohio, there are no other taxes either because the person is considered a temporary resident. Any taxes charged to the guest are refunded after the 30th day, and even transient stay hotels do this because they would get in BIG trouble if they didn't. It still works in the system because the guest is allowed to stay thirty days...just not more than thirty days. Check them out for one day, assign a fake name to the room, comp rate it for one night, put the guest in the next day and slap the rate for the previous day in as a, 'Miscellaneous Charge.' If the guest stays fewer than thirty days the next time around, reverse the Miscellaneous Charge and put the actual Room Charge in its place so the taxes go through correctly. (Most systems will not charge City/County taxes or Occupancy Taxes on a, 'Miscellaneous Charge,' code.)
There are other reasons for the rules that have to do with the guest. Extended Stay rooms have different minimum square footage requirements as well as requirements for what must be in the room. For example, the guests are supposed to have the ability to cook in the room, so I think stovetops are required at a minimum. You can't use hot plates or electric skillets or anything like that, technically, those items are not allowed to be in a hotel room AT ALL, at least, not in a transient room, and the State Fire Marshal will demand it be remedied if they see it. They might see it, too, depends if they are in the mood to inspect occupied rooms that day, they often do. There are also different allowances for combustible storage in comparing an extended stay room to a transient stay room.
So, it's kind of a combination of state bucks, minimum guest amenity standards and safety.
EDIT: My third paragraph appears to self-conflict, so let me clarify: Even though the guest never left the room, after the first thirty days you would need to create a new stay in the computer. The result, of course, is that the taxes are going to need to be charged if the guest stays fewer than thirty days on that stay. We never actually charged the guest for those taxes though if, in reality, they stayed 30+ days. Again, BIG trouble for doing that. We (as the hotel) would just pay the taxes on the stay that is less than thirty days ourselves. We would charge the guest's card for the sum of the room rates, have the guest sign that and give the guest a receipt accordingly, then we would delete the guest's card information (sort of, it's stored two different places and you only had to delete it from one so it wouldn't auto-charge) then you reverse the tax exemption. At this point, the guest would have a positive account balance (negative means the guest is ahead) but you can get rid of that by Direct Billing it to a Direct Bill account created for the hotel, then the hotel writes itself a check (every month or so) and that's all nice and clean.
The long and short is they would have to be really looking for it to find it, and they don't care THAT much because all of the taxes that are actually supposed to get paid do, in fact, get paid. The Fire Marshal cares when he inspects, but as long as the current guest list checks out (none over thirty days) and there are no, 'Clear signs,' that the person is there long-term (family pictures on the wall would be one example...lol...actually had that happen once) then the FM doesn't really care as long as there are no other violations. Again, other violations could be hot plates, electric skillets, extension cords as a source of permanent power, combustible storage within three feet of an outlet...that sort of thing.
Funny thing is that it's a pain in the ass when an occupied room is inspected for just that reason if the FM is in a bad mood. You could have a guest that's there for just a few days, but if there's a pile of clothes on the floor near an outlet, the FM will cite it and give thirty days to correct...how do we control where a guest keeps his stuff!?
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Some low-roller APs stay in hotels 365 (or almost 365) days/year
(1) very rare, sometimes in only one casino. Hard for a slot-playing low-roller to generate 6,000-10,000 coin-in/day ($600-1,200/day Theo).
If the casino thinks they are making a good profit, e.g. casino rates for room are <1/3 of daily Theo, it's usually good.
(2) Most low-roller APs stay in 2+ hotels. 4 days in one, 3 days in a second, then repeat. (but that's rare).
More common is to have rooms at 5+ casinos are stay wherever you can - maybe 2-12 nights/month at each (Harrahs Diamond 4 days/week is good for Mon-Thu).
Mailer hotel rooms at some casinos are fairly easy, so no need to generate $600+/day Theo.
(3) Usually their play is not high enough to get 31 days/month in multiple hotels, but
(A) They work as a couple.
(B) 2-3 men/women work as a team.
(4) The really broke APs stay up 48 hrs when they can't get a room, find some bushes, sleep in casino chairs until security wakes them, use homeless shelters or Motel 6s.
Quote: mamat
(4) The really broke APs stay up 48 hrs when they can't get a room, find some bushes, sleep in casino chairs until security wakes them, use homeless shelters or Motel 6s.
Bathroom stalls, and, if they're lucky, they get upgraded to a suite (handicapped stall).
Whoa! I think you are missing the point, its not why or what the technical reasons are, its about why and who is really benefiting from it. In some cases it's just a stupid rule that makes no practical sense, especially when some suites are bigger and have better amenities than many apartments.Quote: Mission146There are actually quite a few different reasons for it, and some have been mentioned already:
As Cyberbabble pointed out, there are legal differences between a hotel and apartment. I can't speak for Nevada, but in Ohio, that doesn't have anything to do with the distinction between extended-stay and transient-stay hotel licensing. The reason why is because the guests of extended stay hotels do not have any more or any fewer rights than the guests of transient stay hotels. The only right they are guaranteed is the right to the room for such time that they have already paid for it, and the duration between charges can be whatever the hotel and guest agree to, as anywhere else.
Again, absent a physical month-to-month lease, there is no such agreement between a guest and an extended stay hotel in Ohio. The extended stay hotels are not adjudicated as apartments.
DiscreteMaths2 is 100% correct is his assertion that taxes have something to do with it. There is no Occupancy Tax after thirty days, and in Ohio, there are no other taxes either because the person is considered a temporary resident. Any taxes charged to the guest are refunded after the 30th day, and even transient stay hotels do this because they would get in BIG trouble if they didn't. It still works in the system because the guest is allowed to stay thirty days...just not more than thirty days. Check them out for one day, assign a fake name to the room, comp rate it for one night, put the guest in the next day and slap the rate for the previous day in as a, 'Miscellaneous Charge.' If the guest stays fewer than thirty days the next time around, reverse the Miscellaneous Charge and put the actual Room Charge in its place so the taxes go through correctly. (Most systems will not charge City/County taxes or Occupancy Taxes on a, 'Miscellaneous Charge,' code.)
There are other reasons for the rules that have to do with the guest. Extended Stay rooms have different minimum square footage requirements as well as requirements for what must be in the room. For example, the guests are supposed to have the ability to cook in the room, so I think stovetops are required at a minimum. You can't use hot plates or electric skillets or anything like that, technically, those items are not allowed to be in a hotel room AT ALL, at least, not in a transient room, and the State Fire Marshal will demand it be remedied if they see it. They might see it, too, depends if they are in the mood to inspect occupied rooms that day, they often do. There are also different allowances for combustible storage in comparing an extended stay room to a transient stay room.
So, it's kind of a combination of state bucks, minimum guest amenity standards and safety.
EDIT: My third paragraph appears to self-conflict, so let me clarify: Even though the guest never left the room, after the first thirty days you would need to create a new stay in the computer. The result, of course, is that the taxes are going to need to be charged if the guest stays fewer than thirty days on that stay. We never actually charged the guest for those taxes though if, in reality, they stayed 30+ days. Again, BIG trouble for doing that. We (as the hotel) would just pay the taxes on the stay that is less than thirty days ourselves. We would charge the guest's card for the sum of the room rates, have the guest sign that and give the guest a receipt accordingly, then we would delete the guest's card information (sort of, it's stored two different places and you only had to delete it from one so it wouldn't auto-charge) then you reverse the tax exemption. At this point, the guest would have a positive account balance (negative means the guest is ahead) but you can get rid of that by Direct Billing it to a Direct Bill account created for the hotel, then the hotel writes itself a check (every month or so) and that's all nice and clean.
The long and short is they would have to be really looking for it to find it, and they don't care THAT much because all of the taxes that are actually supposed to get paid do, in fact, get paid. The Fire Marshal cares when he inspects, but as long as the current guest list checks out (none over thirty days) and there are no, 'Clear signs,' that the person is there long-term (family pictures on the wall would be one example...lol...actually had that happen once) then the FM doesn't really care as long as there are no other violations. Again, other violations could be hot plates, electric skillets, extension cords as a source of permanent power, combustible storage within three feet of an outlet...that sort of thing.
Funny thing is that it's a pain in the ass when an occupied room is inspected for just that reason if the FM is in a bad mood. You could have a guest that's there for just a few days, but if there's a pile of clothes on the floor near an outlet, the FM will cite it and give thirty days to correct...how do we control where a guest keeps his stuff!?
IF you look at Emerald suites in Vegas, they are only short term stay. They are built the same and have everything the extended stay places have(they are probably nicer ) yet you can only stay 30 days and Emerald suites.
The replies were so good that I have been left speechless. That is the sad part to an outstanding post -- nobody can find any fault in it so they just don't respond.
Quote: AxelWolfWhoa! I think you are missing the point, its not why or what the technical reasons are, its about why and who is really benefiting from it. In some cases it's just a stupid rule that makes no practical sense, especially when some suites are bigger and have better amenities than many apartments.
IF you look at Emerald suites in Vegas, they are only short term stay. They are built the same and have everything the extended stay places have(they are probably nicer ) yet you can only stay 30 days and Emerald suites.
Quote: Mission146So, it's kind of a combination of state bucks, minimum guest amenity standards and safety.
Quote: mamat(4) The really broke APs stay up 48 hrs when they can't get a room
Don't even have to be broke to do that, just be able to handle the minimum of human discomfort. Like skipping meals and making up for it at a buffet, skip a night of sleep, then sleep 12 hours once you do have a bed. Professional poker players seem to have no trouble following that schedule. That type of schedule would have been paradise in Basic Training
(And if they are broke, can't imagine they've been Playing with much of an Advantage)
Quote: HunterhillEven with 7 stars if your adt is low you will be denied rooms sometimes on weekends.
Harrahs in cherokee has been denying me weekend rooms for years ever since I became 7star in 2016.
Quote: odiousgambitIt's patently obvious in the typical situation that you are paying for the rooms and meals through your theoretical losses. You reach levels after the fact too, so typically it's compensation for what you, theoretically at least, already lost . I too have been over-comped in my day, so there's that, but is that likely to this degree?
7 stars is different? A homeless broke lady* no longer putting up decent ADT could theoretically hang on to 7 star 'rights' for what period of time?
*gee, how did that happen?
Up to 2 years depending on what time of year she earned 's good for rest of current year and all of the following year as well.
Quote: ebt4lyfeHarrahs in cherokee has been denying me weekend rooms for years ever since I became 7star in 2016.
Could be different rules between Caesars owned properties and ones they just manage.
Quote: ebt4lyfeHarrahs in cherokee has been denying me weekend rooms for years ever since I became 7star in 2016.
You know it's 2018 now, right? so this has been happening for, at most, 29 months? :-)
Harrah's Cherokee is an interesting property. In the Spring and Fall, you can't even buy a room most weekends. They're legit sold out with folks who pay cash far in advance to stay there and then play in Asheville or Gatlinburg or in the park. So many day trips to make from there it's just a good starting point. But in the middle of summer and definitely in the winter they give the rooms pretty freely. It's also a property where you can game the system if you're local or able to travel on short notice. They'd show a $400 rate when I'd check leading up to a saturday I wanted to go. Then it'd be comped the day before or the day of if sales didn't quite pan out from the cash customers.
Quote: WatchMeWinIt doesnt matter if you win or lose.... As long as your theoretical is in tact and you keep giving action, you will get what you need. Some posts say you need to lose in order to get the comps. I dont believe that is the case, you can be winning... as long as you put in the action. Granted, most people will lose when putting in the action, so moot point.
.....but then again, if you are living on property, putting in time and play with a nice theoretical... and still winning consistently, I wonder if they would let you continue to stay every nite for 2 years.. Im sure the cameras would be on you 24/7 watching your moves.
