stabworld
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July 17th, 2015 at 8:59:11 AM permalink
I was 86'd at a Caesar's Entertainment property in Vegas a few months back for Advantage Play. They read me the trespassing act, I did not sign anything. I was told I am banned from stepping foot on any Caesars Entertainment Property, and if I do, I can be subject to arrest.

As it stands, in New Jersey, you cannot bar a card counter from your casino simply for card counting.

So my question would be: if I were to visit a Caesars Entertainment Property casino in A.C., (NJ), could they arrest me on trespassing, being that I was 86'd from a Vegas Caesar's Entertainment property for card counting?

What's funny is, I still get mailers with free slot play and giveaways from Caesar's Entertainment (for the A.C. properties), months after the 86. From a legal standpoint, the fact that I am still getting invitations for promotions from them, wouldn't this be an adequate justification and defense, if I were ever to be arrested on trespassing?
quinnziny
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July 17th, 2015 at 9:11:50 AM permalink
I live in NY and am involved in law enforcement. One would have to be warned first by a police officer of the local jurisdiction before an arrest is possible. There are no exceptions to that.
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July 17th, 2015 at 9:40:41 AM permalink
Quote: quinnziny

I live in NY and am involved in law enforcement. One would have to be warned first by a police officer of the local jurisdiction before an arrest is possible. There are no exceptions to that.



Have you ever been to the McBurney YMCA on W23rd St? It's on W14th now. Thanks for the laughs. You made my Friday more interesting. :-)
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July 17th, 2015 at 9:43:08 AM permalink
Quote: quinnziny

I live in NY and am involved in law enforcement. One would have to be warned first by a police officer of the local jurisdiction before an arrest is possible. There are no exceptions to that.


Here's your warning for trespassing... Oh, and you're being quite disruptive so I'm playing you under arrest for disturbing the peace.
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quinnziny
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July 17th, 2015 at 9:46:36 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

Have you ever been to the McBurney YMCA on W23rd St? It's on W14th now. Thanks for the laughs. You made my Friday more interesting. :-)



What is interesting and many don't know exactly what you mentioned is adjacent to East Village/West Village and of course Greenwich Village, hence their name The Village People.
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July 17th, 2015 at 9:49:35 AM permalink
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What is interesting and many don't know exactly what you mentioned is adjacent to East Village/West Village and of course Greenwich Village, hence their name The Village People.



Good thing they weren't from Queens. I'm on a roll here. :-)
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mcallister3200
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July 17th, 2015 at 10:20:08 AM permalink
Not only does the trespass not apply to AC properties, it doesn't even apply to other CET LV properties. CET is all about chest puffing, empty threats, and acting in bad faith when it comes to table games advantage play.
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July 17th, 2015 at 12:55:50 PM permalink
A NJ casino MAY NOT kick you out or "trespass" you solely for advantage play. Doing so would violate a ruling by the state supreme court.

You can safely ignore the warning because if they take any action against you, it would be illegal. For example, if they forcibly backroom or arrest you, that would be false imprisonment and you would have a monster lawsuit.

Advantage play -- like race or sex -- is protected in NJ. You can physically speak the count out loud after every hand at blackjack and they can't even ask you to leave the table.
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July 17th, 2015 at 1:39:23 PM permalink
Quote: quinnziny

I live in NY and am involved in law enforcement. One would have to be warned first by a police officer of the local jurisdiction before an arrest is possible. There are no exceptions to that.



Do you happen to fly helicopters for them?

I also do not believe that is 100% true. I can post a no trespassing sign up or kick someone off my personal property. If they come back, then the police can surely arrest them or site them for trespassing. It may not happen, but they definitely can.
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July 17th, 2015 at 1:41:18 PM permalink
Quote: stabworld

I was 86'd at a Caesar's Entertainment property in Vegas a few months back for Advantage Play. They read me the trespassing act, I did not sign anything. I was told I am banned from stepping foot on any Caesars Entertainment Property, and if I do, I can be subject to arrest.

As it stands, in New Jersey, you cannot bar a card counter from your casino simply for card counting.

So my question would be: if I were to visit a Caesars Entertainment Property casino in A.C., (NJ), could they arrest me on trespassing, being that I was 86'd from a Vegas Caesar's Entertainment property for card counting?

What's funny is, I still get mailers with free slot play and giveaways from Caesar's Entertainment (for the A.C. properties), months after the 86. From a legal standpoint, the fact that I am still getting invitations for promotions from them, wouldn't this be an adequate justification and defense, if I were ever to be arrested on trespassing?



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