CET has finally run me off

I'm far from a high roller and I doubt anyone at CET will jump off a bridge after hearing of my departure.

After over 20 years as a card carrying member, the nearly endless erosion of member benefits has become intolerable. I look at myself as a value player not an AP. All I require is a little payback for my play and a chance at some occasional luck. We make a couple trips to LV a year and the wife and I average about $50000 coin in per year(platinum). Over the years the erosion of good VP machines at a dollar or less has left us with the BP machines at the RIO. I just discovered they now require $25 coin in per point, it's the last straw.

The town has seen many changes over the years, not many of them for the good.

It's definitely unfortunate. Generally speaking what is the best place for a player of your caliber? Boyd properties? Stations? South Point? I really don't know the answer and am curious in what others think.

I'd say Boyd. The past few years I've been staying at the Rio and walking over to Gold Coast to do my gambling. I always spend time at MSS, love the place. Stations gets some of my play also. In my opinion, GVR and Red Rock are the best properties in town we simply don't go enough to earn room comps. With Boyd, it seems like our play at IP Biloxi has something to do with Las Vegas comps.

Regarding CET, too many MBAs, too few businessmen.

Agree 100%. They have destroyed every decent VP game all over the country and now it is$20-25 coin in for ONE POINT! Ridiculous and absurd.

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I'd say Boyd. The past few years I've been staying at the Rio and walking over to Gold Coast to do my gambling. I always spend time at MSS, love the place. Stations gets some of my play also. In my opinion, GVR and Red Rock are the best properties in town we simply don't go enough to earn room comps. With Boyd, it seems like our play at IP Biloxi has something to do with Las Vegas comps.

Regarding CET, too many MBAs, too few businessmen.

Amen on the MBAs versus businessmen who know how to treat their customers.

I can't believe Green Valley and particularly Red Rock don't treat you better. Did you ask?

If you love MSS....llearn to like small older style rooms.

The website is still showing $10 for a tier credit on VP. Where did you see the $25 requirement? If that is the case, then I would have to agree with you and discontinue my play there entirely. They have terrible pay tables anyway, usually the worst available for that game.

The new 9/6 .25 games at Caesars AC are $50 in for 1 point. These are the ones right outside the Toga Bar downstairs.

CET is one of those places you won't get an advantage in any way, but the room offers are pretty decent enough to play for minimal expected loss. Although actual loss always equal more...

Cost of diamond as a new player: 5000 tier credits in one day or 2500 points over 2 days gets you the extra 10k needed to go diamond. 5000 tier points at $10 a point equals $50k in action, and take about $500 off in expected value if playing a 99% game. Not too tough to run $50k on a $5 denom (2000 hands), or play $2 over 2 days (2500 hands each day).

Out of the $500 loss you get access to the diamond lounge, line cutting privileges, free gym use (pretty strong for me since I'm local and live next to the strip), freeplay offers as well as food offers, and last but not least room offers. It's great for the tourist who wants everything short of airfare comped (although based on your action you might get that too.) There was a diamond dinner for $100 when you first hit it as well. So the cost has to have value for you to play.

I find CET to have the best high card tier perks out of every casino. The cashiers and the player's club people always give priority service to plat+ over the regular members, and this is pretty big if you hate waiting in line to cashout or have a problem taken care of. Some casinos have higher tier lines, but they don't enforce the rule therefore negating the perk. Same goes for buffet or restaurant service.

I am enjoying my Seven Stars status for this year so far. I earned it with minimal losses last year, and I don't plan to gamble much if any this year and just reap the benefits. I took a free trip to San Diego which I enjoyed, and I have yet to use my other trip with $500 food credit as well as a free cruise. I used the guaranteed hotel room benefit to go up to Cleveland to visit for a weekend and it was nice to be able to stay at the Ritz Carlton instead of someone's house. Also got comped internet and in-room movies. Watched Dallas Buyers Club and Captain Phillips.

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Watched Dallas Buyers Club

What did you think? I liked it alot, my GF didn't.

In AC all the 9/6 machines have a little sticker stating the amount of coin in to acquire 1 tier point. Some are 20:1, 25:1 and 50:1. Make note that there are alot of multi game machines with those little stickers and what ever game you choose on those machines will reflect those tier requirements.

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In AC all the 9/6 machines have a little sticker stating the amount of coin in to acquire 1 tier point. Some are 20:1, 25:1 and 50:1. Make note that there are alot of multi game machines with those little stickers and what ever game you choose on those machines will reflect those tier requirements.

Not as of yesterday at the Boat. One of the sparse 9/6 Jacks machines did show on the little meter at the top some ridiculous countdown number in the thousands. I stopped paying attention after that.

It probably should have a sticker though. And I would probably start an argument out of principle.

They did have the sticker, saw it personally, ideal fingers might have removed them.

Penny wise but pound foolish perhaps. The only reason these machines even exist are to lure people there, then have them settle for other things. Take away from the greed factor and you wind up losing the side benefits.

It puzzles me how the casinos themselves screw with their own criteria for offers eliminating players not even sure if it's helping them. Someone complained offers were divided twice a week for the same amount then they lose all the people who double dip by enticing them to ruin their ADT. It just ends up being perverted and self-defeating and nothing is ever proven actually effective.

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What did you think? I liked it alot, my GF didn't.

I liked it a lot. McCoughaney plays the role he was born to play, basically. I also liked the low-key way it was filmed. Very good indie, not for everyone obviously.

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In AC all the 9/6 machines have a little sticker stating the amount of coin in to acquire 1 tier point. Some are 20:1, 25:1 and 50:1. Make note that there are alot of multi game machines with those little stickers and what ever game you choose on those machines will reflect those tier requirements.

I wonder if one could assume that the ones requiring more coin in per tier point have better pay percentages or a lower house edge.

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I wonder if one could assume that the ones requiring more coin in per tier point have better pay percentages or a lower house edge.

The machines may contain a mix of good and bad video poker games, so ideally you should be able to differentiate by examining the pay tables.

MGM penalizes certain slots by categorizing them as "specialty" games, but the returns are not necessarily better. Apparently the specialty games are more expensive for the casino due to licensing fees or other factors.

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Amen on the MBAs versus businessmen who know how to treat their customers.

I can't believe Green Valley and particularly Red Rock don't treat you better. Did you ask?

If you love MSS....llearn to like small older style rooms.

Actually, I haven't asked. I'll be staying at Gold Coast 3 nights and MSS 2 nights, all comped. This will be the first trip not at a CET property. We'll see how it goes. I plan to spend all Derby day at Red Rock. Maybe I'll get in enough play to ask about a comp for our August trip.

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I wonder if one could assume that the ones requiring more coin in per tier point have better pay percentages or a lower house edge.

The times I have seen machines set to $25 a point at CET properties, yes the games are generally the best ones you can find there, but one should always double check the paytable to be sure.

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I thought they ran me off..... After my recent trip where I put in around 5 hours a day for 5 days at $25 pai gow poker and pai gow tiles, my 'offer' of free rooms did not include the Rio, but only the Quad... I tried calling and they connected me to a host, and despite my many consecutive years at staying at the Rio twice a year, he very politely told me that my play didn't warrant a free room, and he offered me the Quad as well.... A week later I received a free offer for those nights.... with $50 in free play.... I have to think it was a coincidence.... so I'll be back at the Rio for the WoV convention in April...

I love Ceasars Entertainment. While waiting to get my free table coupon reduced to smaller increments, I picked up a two fold pamphlet 'A guide to understanding the odds'. What a wonderful organization, educating their patrons. It's as if they want their player to lose as little as possible.....sweethearts.

In the pamphlet, Ceasar himself, tells us.....'To understand gambling, it's also important to understand the concept of "independent events." Each spin of the wheel or roll of the dice is considered an "independent event," meaning that the chances of a specific outcome remain the same and are not influenced by previous events.'

O.K., where have I read that before? Where just where?

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I love Ceasars Entertainment. While waiting to get my free table coupon reduced to smaller increments, I picked up a two fold pamphlet 'A guide to understanding the odds'. What a wonderful organization, educating their patrons. It's as if they want their player to lose as little as possible.....sweethearts.

In the pamphlet, Ceasar himself, tells us.....'To understand gambling, it's also important to understand the concept of "independent events." Each spin of the wheel or roll of the dice is considered an "independent event," meaning that the chances of a specific outcome remain the same and are not influenced by previous events.'

O.K., where have I read that before? Where just where?

I believe these pamphlets are available at all casinos. In most states it is a requirement to have these available.

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I thought they ran me off..... my 'offer' of free rooms did not include the Rio, but only the Quad...

I'm not sure I can figure them out either. Between our 2 accts, the Mrs and I can get comp rooms at PARIS and HARRAH's, but not the other lower tier CET properties.

And I am hoping that our recent play at PALM's gets us some decent mailers from there, but it would be hard to beat a weekday comp room at PARIS. I have never stayed at PARIS , so I would also be able to add them to my list.