VP JorB Intermediate strategy

I use the intermediate strategy for JorB VP. I am confused about #12 (AKQJ unsuited) & #13 (2 suited high cards). If I get AKQJ but 2 are suited, why should I keep only the 2 suited if the AKQJ is ranked higher? In other words, why is AKQJ unsuited a better hand than AKQJ with 2 suited? Or am I misreading the rule. Doesn't AKQJ unsuited mean all four have to be different suits? Thanks.

Quote: rose030784

I use the intermediate strategy for JorB VP. I am confused about #12 (AKQJ unsuited) & #13 (2 suited high cards). If I get AKQJ but 2 are suited, why should I keep only the 2 suited if the AKQJ is ranked higher? In other words, why is AKQJ unsuited a better hand than AKQJ with 2 suited? Or am I misreading the rule. Doesn't AKQJ unsuited mean all four have to be different suits? Thanks.

I don't know where you're reading that but a completely unsuited AKQJ is worth about 2.5c less than AKQJ with two of the high card suited, and it's because of the possibilities of either a flush, SF or RF where in the first instance you have none of those.

Thanks. I agree with your logic but I got this from the wizard of odds intermediate table which seems to say the opposite. See #12 & #13. Here's the link:

I'm not following you. Here's what #'s 12 & 13 say and they're not related to your question:

2 5 7 J J — High pair vs. 4 to a flush: Keep high pair
8 9 T J J — High pair vs. 4 to a straight: Keep high pair

See the second numbers 12 and 13 (further down the page). By inference, "unsuited" means that the four high cards have at least 2 suits and no more than two of any one suit, since if you had 3 to the royal you'd hold that instead (see rule 7). What that means is that, for a hand like Ah Ks Qh Js 3c, you'd hold all four high cards instead of just two suited ones. There are some exceptions to that rule, such as if you had QJ suited (just hold that instead) but generally the ordering is accurate. Remember, this isn't an optimal strategy, it's near-optimal.

The Wizard has condensed/conflated some strategy decisions for his intermediate strategy.

AKQJ unsuited is better than two suited high cards, unless the two suited high cards are a QJ.

This little distinction won't save you all that much money over the long run, hence the easy-to-remember rule to always hold the AKQJ.

I get it now. AKQJ unsuited does NOT mean 4 different suits only. The chart should really just say AKQJ period because if 3 or 4 were suited you would have a higher ranked hand. Thanks.

Quote: RobSinger

I'm not following you. Here's what #'s 12 & 13 say and they're not related to your question:

2 5 7 J J — High pair vs. 4 to a flush: Keep high pair
8 9 T J J — High pair vs. 4 to a straight: Keep high pair

If one doesn't know this, abandon JOB.