Sisboombah
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April 29th, 2022 at 1:27:27 PM permalink
Apologies if this has been asked. I searched as best as I could.

I’m new here, thanks for everyone’s expertise and input. I can’t yet post links to a photo, but there’s this “Broadway” bar game locally that offers:

Jacks or Better with Joker, paying:


Hand Payout
Royal Flush 100
str flush 50
5ok 50
4ok 25
FH 10
FL 8
STR 5
3ok 3
2p 2
jacks or better 1


As far as I know, wild royal pays same as a natural. Scaling up with coins doesn’t seem to add any advantage (I.e. royal is still 100x bet).

Is it worth it, is it a scam, cheating, or a sucker magnet? I tried looking on wizard of odds but can’t find a pay table.

I can’t remember where, but I entered this manually and got a return of something like 1.04, but I could not add “5ok” since I could only choose either Jacks or Better OR Joker, but not both.

Any input, advice, warnings, or admonitions are welcome!
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April 29th, 2022 at 2:20:13 PM permalink
Welcome to the forum!

When I put this payout table into a Joker wild, Kings or better VP analyzer, it says that the return is about 1.40; but I question whether the analyzer is working correctly.

I have no comment about whether this game is a scam. Maybe others can comment.
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April 29th, 2022 at 2:21:55 PM permalink
I also get 104% when entering this into a paytable analyzer (JoB).
My instinct says "For amusement only".
It would not surprise me to learn it is an electronic pulltab game.
May the cards fall in your favor.
Sisboombah
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April 29th, 2022 at 2:46:02 PM permalink
Thanks - does that include entering a joker and 5ok? My guess is the crappy payout on the royal and 5ok keep the return somewhat sane.
billryan
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Sisboombah
April 29th, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM permalink
Broadway Poker games do not use paytables as a way to determine results. You( the owner) can set the payouts to be between 60% and 85% or numbers very similar. I don't know how it works exactly, but I leased several for a few years and they are very profitable.
I don't think anyone can beat these long term.
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April 29th, 2022 at 3:26:30 PM permalink
Quote: Sisboombah

Thanks - does that include entering a joker and 5ok? My guess is the crappy payout on the royal and 5ok keep the return somewhat sane.
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No 5ok, no joker. 100 for 1 royal.

It looks good because the FH and Straight are rather higher than typical, but I think the actual frequencies of the hands you get are irregular.
May the cards fall in your favor.
billryan
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April 29th, 2022 at 5:10:10 PM permalink
On most Broadway machines, you can double up on any hand before the draw, including a dealt royal flush.
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April 29th, 2022 at 7:53:50 PM permalink
This is the image of the machine that Sisboombah wanted to post in his opening post:




You can view the paytable directly by displaying the image in other software (on another tab) and zooming in.

Or use this address:
https://i.postimg.cc/5Q12gxTS/1-F9-ABD8-D-4-C64-44-DA-A3-E5-93921093-FEA3.jpg
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April 29th, 2022 at 9:41:57 PM permalink
You can raise, up to your original bet before the draw.
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