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June 22nd, 2021 at 5:48:00 AM permalink
Multi-hand Ride Poker is another stud based poker game where the player makes three equal initial bets. The opening three cards are revealed and the player must decide to pull the bet back or leave it out. The fourth card is displayed and the player will need to make another decision to pull the bet or leave it out. All four of the first cards displayed to the player are from one single deck of cards. The remaining multi-hands are dealt from their own single deck of cards to complete the game.

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June 22nd, 2021 at 6:30:37 AM permalink
Let me see if I have this right:
Each 5-card hand consists of the bottom 4 cards and one of the other (in this case, ten of them) cards.
Each of the cards other than on the bottom four is dealt from identical 48-card decks where the bottom 4 cards are removed (which is why, in this case, the Ace of clubs appears twice).
Is that correct?
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June 22nd, 2021 at 6:35:26 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Let me see if I have this right:
Each 5-card hand consists of the bottom 4 cards and one of the other (in this case, ten of them) cards.
Each of the cards other than on the bottom four is dealt from identical 48-card decks where the bottom 4 cards are removed (which is why, in this case, the Ace of clubs appears twice).
Is that correct?



100% correct.

I was thinking maybe we should somehow outline the bottom four cards to show that they are community cards. Visually, it may make it easier for the player, but I also understand why we did it that way since it is really hard to fit all 10 hands in on the screen.
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June 22nd, 2021 at 6:36:34 AM permalink
Also, it looks like the payouts do not include the amount of your bet, which is also returned. For example, if you bet 15 and get a pair of Aces, you get back 30, not just 15 (as you would in Jacks or Better VP). This could be confusing to people used to how payouts work in VP.
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June 22nd, 2021 at 7:16:36 AM permalink
I'm afraid the game is broken. The balance is not being credited when the player pulls bets back.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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June 22nd, 2021 at 8:15:08 AM permalink
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I'm afraid the game is broken. The balance is not being credited when the player pulls bets back.



Thanks for pointing this out. You are correct, the balance is not updating when the bet is pulled. We will get it fixed.
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June 24th, 2021 at 12:28:14 PM permalink
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I'm afraid the game is broken. The balance is not being credited when the player pulls bets back.



Link has been fixed. When pulling the bet the credit meter is now correct.
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June 24th, 2021 at 2:01:32 PM permalink
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Link has been fixed. When pulling the bet the credit meter is now correct.



I voted that this game is okay and is a video poker game. I played for about an hour.

The reason why I say Video Poker game, as opposed to ETG, is because I'd consider games using cards to be video poker games (just for me personally) unless it's already an established (or at least viable) physical table game. I don't consider this game necessarily physical casino viable because it would be a nightmare to deal. If you had five players, (and say they were all locked into playing five hands because different numbers of hands would REALLY be a nightmare) then there are as many as 25 actual pays that would need to be determined. In all probability, you wouldn't have any hands where each player won on every hand and certainly not the same amounts on each hand won.

With a five-player table, I think the casino would be asking a lot to see this even dealt at 30 rounds per hour.

With that, unless there's some legal distinction that I am not aware of that would benefit advancing an argument that it's an ETG; I'd call this a video poker game.

Similar to Let it Ride, a huge majority of the player return comes in the form of being dealt winners in the first three or four cards, which will often consist of a high pair, or turning a low pair into two pair, or trips, before the reveal of all of the fifth cards. If Let it Ride has any appeal still, then it's probably in the fact that it's a relatively low house edge game with big pay potential that usually leads into a slow descent to nothing, for most players.

On the one hand, playing multiple hands on this game makes the descent quite a bit faster, but on the flip side, dealt winners and four-card winners REALLY get paid off relative to what is lost on the wagers where the player pulls all possible bets back. In the meantime, on those hands that have any chance of turning into a win (but do not justify leaving any bets out), the player will frequently get some percentage of the bet left standing back and, on rare occasion, will actually be profitable on the bet that was left out there.

This results in lower variance per total base bet amount assuming, of course, that the player would be making the same total amount bet on a single game of Let it Ride anyway, which the player probably would not be doing. Say betting $1 unit per hand x3 on this for five fifth cards as opposed to $5 unit per hand x3 on a, 'Normal,' LiR game.

I guess the idea is that really great draws will be more likely to get paid off somewhat (even if not by the one or two cards the player really wants) and that dealt winners become even more powerful.

I give the game a 6/10 overall.

I played two sessions: The first was a seemingly relentless ride down to nothing, until I discovered the widget that lets you give yourself four to a straight flush every time. The second session started out as a ride to the bottom, but then I had several dealt winners in relatively short succession and ended up profitable (but though not by as much as I lost the first session) and decided to quit as it had been about an hour.
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June 24th, 2021 at 8:03:30 PM permalink
Regarding LiR- ETG option
Atlantic City / New Jersey regulations
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N.J.A.C. 13:69F-18.6.

(e) A casino licensee may, in its discretion, permit a player to place wagers at two betting positions during a round of play provided that the two betting positions are adjacent to each other.

May be a good point to play multi-player (two players) format at ETG or play two "hands" by sole player
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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June 25th, 2021 at 12:34:38 PM permalink
1. I too was initially confused with why I was being given 9 cards. It took me a while to figure out what was going on.

2. I always like the graphics in your games. However, I notice that the Ace cards have a 'police shield' symbol on them. I wonder if that is wise in the political climate we are in.

3. I personally found this game to be a bit boring to play. Sorry! Five card stud games usually are dull, IMO. The player wins on so few of the deals and waits for a full house or 4oak to get even. And when you get four unpaired cards from 2-9 with no draws it is frustrating to still be drawing five times with zero outs.
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June 25th, 2021 at 12:48:20 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

1. I too was initially confused with why I was being given 9 cards. It took me a while to figure out what was going on.

2. I always like the graphics in your games. However, I notice that the Ace cards have a 'police shield' symbol on them. I wonder if that is wise in the political climate we are in.

3. I personally found this game to be a bit boring to play. Sorry! Five card stud games usually are dull, IMO. The player wins on so few of the deals and waits for a full house or 4oak to get even. And when you get four unpaired cards from 2-9 with no draws it is frustrating to still be drawing five times with zero outs.



I was playing ten fifth cards and missed all four-flush draws twice in a row! (Twice in a row meaning on such draws, though these draws occurred within three or four total hands).

That's actually a more likely result from such draws than I would have thought, but if not a math guy, it would be the end of me ever playing that game!
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June 25th, 2021 at 6:55:30 PM permalink
1
You can play up to 10 hands and increase bet/ hand
Just click on the flashing red display
2
There is a similar DEMO game "Big River Poker"
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/video-poker/36086-multi-hand-big-river-poker/#post810585
Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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June 26th, 2021 at 5:26:25 AM permalink
I think this is the most boring game that you have presented. It is slow - and gets worse the more hands you add, basic strategy seems to be pull unless you have a winning hand or 4 to a winning hand, and if the pays were correct* it would be even worse.

*It is currently paying 2:1 for a winning pair, same as for 2 pair.
EDIT: * There might be an OBOE (off by one error) in the payoffs; 2 pair is paying like 3 of a kind. Haven't received a straight yet...
EDIT2: * Yup, flush pays 9:1 rather than 8:1
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June 26th, 2021 at 5:54:54 AM permalink
Quote: LoquaciousMoFW

I think this is the most boring game that you have presented. It is slow - and gets worse the more hands you add, basic strategy seems to be pull unless you have a winning hand or 4 to a winning hand, and if the pays were correct* it would be even worse.

*It is currently paying 2:1 for a winning pair, same as for 2 pair.
EDIT: * There might be an OBOE (off by one error) in the payoffs; 2 pair is paying like 3 of a kind. Haven't received a straight yet...
EDIT2: * Yup, flush pays 9:1 rather than 8:1



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June 26th, 2021 at 6:02:18 AM permalink
Here's an interesting image! The odds of drawing four identical cards on top like this must be extremely low.



The problem with this is that I felt cheated when I got this. I feel like I got a (perfect) 4oaK on top and that I got 5 nines all together without any return from it. The fact that there is no visual distinction between the top row and the bottom row leads me to constantly try to visualize my best 5-card poker hand from the 9 cards I have drawn.
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June 26th, 2021 at 7:17:27 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I feel like I got a (perfect) 4oaK on top and that I got 5 nines all together without any return from it.



Perhaps there is an opportunity for a side bet on the hand formed by the draw cards.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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July 5th, 2021 at 6:23:43 AM permalink
1. I agree the layout can be a bit confusing at first, but after awhile of playing it makes more sense to the player. We could've/should've used labels to denote the community cards and the additional multi-hands, but it wouldn't have been easy to fit everything on the screen.

2. I never noticed or paid attention to the shield on the cards we use.

3. No problem. I appreciate your feedback. Like Let it Ride and all other stud based poker games they are very volatile in nature and many times will not offer any excitement until an initial winning hand is dealt.
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July 5th, 2021 at 6:27:08 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Here's an interesting image! The odds of drawing four identical cards on top like this must be extremely low.



The problem with this is that I felt cheated when I got this. I feel like I got a (perfect) 4oaK on top and that I got 5 nines all together without any return from it. The fact that there is no visual distinction between the top row and the bottom row leads me to constantly try to visualize my best 5-card poker hand from the 9 cards I have drawn.



I had a similar hand when testing. I received 4 ace of diamonds in my multi-hands and also wondered what the odds of that happening were. I think labeling the multi-hands would clear up the confusion.
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July 5th, 2021 at 6:27:08 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Here's an interesting image! The odds of drawing four identical cards on top like this must be extremely low.



The problem with this is that I felt cheated when I got this. I feel like I got a (perfect) 4oaK on top and that I got 5 nines all together without any return from it. The fact that there is no visual distinction between the top row and the bottom row leads me to constantly try to visualize my best 5-card poker hand from the 9 cards I have drawn.



I had a similar hand when testing. I received 4 ace of diamonds in my multi-hands and also wondered what the odds of that happening were. I think labeling the multi-hands would clear up the confusion.
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July 5th, 2021 at 6:28:02 AM permalink
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Perhaps there is an opportunity for a side bet on the hand formed by the draw cards.



Actually, I think side bets of some nature would be great for this type of game.

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