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Mental
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December 7th, 2020 at 7:09:35 AM permalink
Thanks for the game list. With the SRF paying 95,713 bets:
Pay Table / GameRev SRF ROIROI w/o SRFDelta ROI
7-5 Bonus Poker Deluxe 101.736% 96.253% 5.484%
6-5 Bonus Poker 102.379% 96.869% 5.510%
9-6-4 Double Bonus 101.883% 96.375% 5.508%
8-5 Double Double Bonus 102.315% 96.786% 5.528%
7-5 Jacks or Better 101.645% 96.147% 5.498%
8-5 Triple Double Bonus 101.543% 95.969% 5.574%


Variance ranges from 5643 to 6058. This leads to significantly increased risk compared to the nickel games, but I would accept the variance in return for higher hourly expected value. Of course, I will probably never play at Red Rock.
Mental
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unJon
December 7th, 2020 at 8:02:38 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

whats the bankroll needed to hit the .25 srf?
how about the nickel srf?


Variance ranges from 5643 to 6058. for the available game, so basically the same for every game. In comparison, the variance for the base TDB game is five times higher the variance for the base BP game. The quad ace's with kicker paying 4000 coins in TDB hardly makes a difference to variance.

You will have smaller daily swings with BP. This matters in deciding whether you have enough of you bankroll in your pocket to not tap out during the session. The variance is a long-term concept, so daily swings are not the same as variance.

You only need $1.25 to play one hand. You need more bankroll if you are going to play until someone hits the SRF. How much depends on how much competition you have. You need even more if you are going to bankroll a team to lock up all the seats and play until you hit with low risk of ruin.

The drain is 3.5% for BP. The SRF cycle is 1.6M hands. If you go 4 cycles without hitting, you will lose 6.4M * 3.5% = $224K before you hit. Have fun!
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December 10th, 2020 at 9:57:32 AM permalink
I didnít read this entire thread but came upon this while checking out Vegas on the web:

ďAt about 12:28 a.m. on Nov. 30, a local guest playing a Double Double Bonus Progressive Reversible Royals machine at Red Rock Casino hit a sequential royal flush for a $278,318 payday.
The guest, who asked to remain anonymous, bet $2 denomination x 5, making the total bet of $10 to win the huge jackpot.Ē
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Wizard
December 10th, 2020 at 12:11:00 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

I didnít read this entire thread but came upon this while checking out Vegas on the web:

ďAt about 12:28 a.m. on Nov. 30, a local guest playing a Double Double Bonus Progressive Reversible Royals machine at Red Rock Casino hit a sequential royal flush for a $278,318 payday.
The guest, who asked to remain anonymous, bet $2 denomination x 5, making the total bet of $10 to win the huge jackpot.Ē



Did he have a really scraggly beard, kind of looking like a homeless man? Was he asking the waitresses weird questions?

What does the progressive re set to?
AlanMendelson
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December 10th, 2020 at 12:41:04 PM permalink
Wizard the kiosk of 25-cent machines in the center of Red Rock casino was an expansion of the original 25-cent machines by the men's and women's restrooms to the right of the main casino entryway. Both the machines in the center of the casino and the machines by the restrooms have the same progressive jackpot amount; they're linked.

The kiosk in the center of the casino appeared several months ago when Red Rock overhauled their casino floor.
Greasyjohn
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December 10th, 2020 at 5:11:14 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Did he have a really scraggly beard, kind of looking like a homeless man? Was he asking the waitresses weird questions?

What does the progressive re set to?



I donít really know anything more about this other than it was a 52-year-old woman I believe.
terapined
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December 25th, 2020 at 9:16:39 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Besides the two 5-cent 105%+ reversible royal games at the Red Rock, there is another positive 25-cent game.



This one is located near the circle bar in the middle of the casino.

Here is the return table, based on the best base pay table, 6-5 Bonus Poker.

Outcome Prize Probability Return
Reversible Royal Flush 478,568 0.000001 0.058465
Royal Flush 4,000 0.000025 0.020137
Straight Flush 250 0.000105 0.005259
Four Aces 400 0.000203 0.016221
Four 2s, 3s, 4s 200 0.000525 0.020999
Four 5s thru Ks 125 0.001633 0.040819
Full House 30 0.011385 0.068309
Flush 25 0.010671 0.053356
Straight 20 0.011111 0.044446
Three of a Kind 15 0.074324 0.222972
Two Pair 10 0.129041 0.258081
Jacks or Better 5 0.214397 0.214397
All Other 0 0.546579 0.000000
Totals 1.000000 1.023461


While the return at 102.35% is not as high as the nickel games, the hourly expected win is higher!

Based on 1,000 hands per hour, the expected win per hour is $29.33.

On the buffet bank, it is $23.63.

How has nobody noticed this before (shut up Wiz!)?


Up to 125,311.87
Looks like the 5 cent machine by buffet entrance hit, progressive in the 5k range
5 cent by food court at 40,933.34
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terapined
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December 25th, 2020 at 9:47:12 AM permalink
A little excitement
Playing the 125,318.02 machine Bonus poker 25c
Hit
10H JH 9H KH QH
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Mental
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December 25th, 2020 at 10:18:06 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Looks like the 5 cent machine by buffet entrance hit, progressive in the 5k range



According to the Wiz:
Bank by buffet:
Oct 19: $73,860
Dec 2: $75,489

This was a 10-coin game, so $5K reset would be a 10,000 to one jackpot payoff on a 50 cent bet.

It seems pretty clear that other jackpots were moved to these sequential RF jackpots to get them so high. Once they are hit, they are unlikely to ever get near 105% ROI again.
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December 25th, 2020 at 4:51:01 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Looks like the 5 cent machine by buffet entrance hit, progressive in the 5k range
5 cent by food court at 40,933.34



Shoot. Thanks for letting us know.

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