Vegasrider
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May 15th, 2020 at 1:30:59 PM permalink
Assuming that you are playing the same game with the same payouts, can one machine be different? In other words, could it be tighter or looser.

My question is that for the forseeable future, casinos will most likely be turning off or blocking certain machines due to social distancing. What if I want to play a machine that is off? Do I have a legitimate reason for the casino or gaming commission tohave me gain access? Because no two machines are the same?
onenickelmiracle
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May 15th, 2020 at 1:40:32 PM permalink
Quote: Vegasrider

Assuming that you are playing the same game with the same payouts, can one machine be different? In other words, could it be tighter or looser.

My question is that for the forseeable future, casinos will most likely be turning off or blocking certain machines due to social distancing. What if I want to play a machine that is off? Do I have a legitimate reason for the casino or gaming commission tohave me gain access? Because no two machines are the same?

They're not supposed to be theoretically, any difference would be for human error between machines. The only way I could see this even closed to be argued a machine is different would be if buttons stick, or if the machine is in a very distracting area with a lot of traffic and loud music. This would be human error though. I do believe religiously in VP pay tables for sure being legitimate.
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May 15th, 2020 at 2:32:22 PM permalink
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Assuming that you are playing the same game with the same payouts, can one machine be different? In other words, could it be tighter or looser.


If it follows Nevada Gaming Regulation 14.040(5), then no, it cannot be tighter or looser - every one of the 52! permutations of the cards must be equally likely for each game.
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May 15th, 2020 at 7:36:41 PM permalink
“Tighter or looser” seems to be asking about the return to player.

As far as the way the cards are shuffled and dealt, and whether or not you hit your draw, etc., they should all be the same.

House edge on the other hand is a different story. But that’s very easy to check, just by looking at the different pay tables.
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May 15th, 2020 at 7:42:48 PM permalink
I agree with all of the above for Nevada. But it is not necessarily true in Indian casinos if the VP is a class II machine.

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