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DogHand
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November 13th, 2019 at 6:51:59 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I canít speak for the game kings, but the Spielos state in the rules screen that the holds are based on the highest probability of drawing to a winning hand.



Mission146,

So, for example, if you're dealt AKQJ in hearts and the spade A, these Spielos will autohold AA for a guaranteed winner?

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SOOPOO
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November 13th, 2019 at 6:59:05 AM permalink
Quote: SingleCoinVP

Not true. I'm am curious about Mickey Crimm and what he does in a casino. Here is a guy that doesn't require taking huge risks to beat the casino. I can get behind that concept. Compare that with telling people $5 games are more profitable than playing quarters. Even if it's true, someone is going to get hurt and it's not going to be a casino.

I am not a crusader for or against APs, professional gamblers or anyone who posts on this website. Most of the casino goers that I know enjoy a day at the casino as an escape not a job. None of them have positive games to play. All of them pay to play. I want these players to be part of the discussion.



You are wrong. Plain and simple. I am not an AP, but tagged along with Axel once. There are so many opportunities out there if you know where to look, and what to do. NONE of the opportunities were because the regular payout of a machine exceeded 100%. I wonít divulge any of them, as public knowledge might result in them going away.
But you must be aware of Ultimate X vulturing , as the easiest example. And days where there are big comp multipliers.

So yes, you (and me!) do not take advantage of the casinos. But there are a dozen or so on this forum that do, and make a living off of it. And itís not rocket science. It takes knowledge, a bankroll, and hard work.

Geez man! Just because you havenít figured it out, or that it might not even be worth it to you, stop with the BS that it canít be done.
CrystalMath
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November 13th, 2019 at 6:59:17 AM permalink
Quote: DogHand

Mission146,

So, for example, if you're dealt AKQJ in hearts and the spade A, these Spielos will autohold AA for a guaranteed winner?

Dog Hand



I donít know the answer, but you can always override the auto hold. If you get familiar with the bad auto holds, you can play very fast and just watch out for the bad ones.
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CrystalMath
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November 13th, 2019 at 7:11:33 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Are any of the progressive kenos in Montana new? I don't see anyone making them anymore.



Yes, they are still being made.

There arenít many manufacturers is the MT market because they donít follow the mainstream rules (for instance, $2 max bet and $800 max win). All machines are multi-game, with maybe 20 themes, including keno, poker, and slots (called ďline gamesĒ in MT). They are also allowed to have bingo, but itís not common.

Most of the games are not strictly progressive, but many are banking games, like Buffalo Diamond, where the advantage comes from a high number of accumulated free games.
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November 13th, 2019 at 7:53:04 AM permalink
Quote: SingleCoinVP

This makes we wonder why these forums exist?

imo, others think exactly that.
I say to run ads and see what happens
Quote: SingleCoinVP

Are they here to provide a place where players can brag about their accomplishments

yes, certainly. bragging is ALL talk as no one really cares.
Quote: SingleCoinVP

or a place where people are taught to be better players?

one can lead a horse to water...
as one who never did lead a horse to water
but cleaned many water dishes for dogs and cats (I play no favorites)
what?

ah yes, ALL APs (has been documented) say ALL APs always win $$$, always...
and that can be taken to the bank (is that bragging or BSHT?)
Why would any AP want to give away their secret ATM methods?

to make things easier, those saying they are an AP, do not believe them.
(does not matter if they are lying 100% or telling the truth 100%)
LIfe is so much simpler that way (and WAY more fun)

too bad (or good) that
many believe everything they read
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
SingleCoinVP
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November 13th, 2019 at 8:07:09 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Geez man! Just because you havenít figured it out, or that it might not even be worth it to you, stop with the BS that it canít be done.

There was a time when I doubted it could be done. I played positive games on videopoker.com and proved to myself I was wrong. What I doubt now is if it's worth the effort.

Suppose you have a $100,000 bankroll. You can play 1% advantage VP games and take your chances or you can buy $100,000 worth of ATT stock and make 5% for doing nothing. I can give you 20 more examples. Of course you wouldn't be able to call yourself a casino AP or berate quarter players on this forum. Gambling is just not that good of a business plan.

These days I have absolutely no issue with advantage play strategy or accepting the fact that some people make a profit off gambling. That's not why I play the game. Why waste my time working at something that is hard work, pays poorly, you have to keep secret and if you get too good, they ban you?
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November 13th, 2019 at 8:21:16 AM permalink
Quote: SingleCoinVP

There was a time when I doubted it could be done. I played positive games on videopoker.com and proved to myself I was wrong. What I doubt now is if it's worth the effort.

Suppose you have a $100,000 bankroll. You can play 1% advantage VP games and take your chances or you can buy $100,000 worth of ATT stock and make 5% for doing nothing. I can give you 20 more examples. Of course you wouldn't be able to call yourself a casino AP or berate quarter players on this forum. Gambling is just not that good of a business plan.

These days I have absolutely no issue with advantage play strategy or accepting the fact that some people make a profit off gambling. That's not why I play the game. Why waste my time working at something that is hard work, pays poorly, you have to keep secret and if you get too good, they ban you?



I wish all people had your thought process and would draw the same conclusions as you.
rdw4potus
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November 13th, 2019 at 9:35:06 AM permalink
Quote: SingleCoinVP


Suppose you have a $100,000 bankroll. You can play 1% advantage VP games and take your chances or you can buy $100,000 worth of ATT stock and make 5% for doing nothing. I can give you 20 more examples. Of course you wouldn't be able to call yourself a casino AP or berate quarter players on this forum. Gambling is just not that good of a business plan.



You know how bad your math is there, right? Say you used your $100k bankroll to make $25 spins on a game with a 1% advantage. Say you could do that 200x/hour. It'd take 100 hours to match your $5k return on the AT&T investment. 100 hours is about 2 hours/week. Could you do it more? What if you could make $125 spins?
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
SingleCoinVP
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November 13th, 2019 at 9:55:52 AM permalink
What if you don't hit a royal flush in ten years of play? What if you bought $100,000 worth of Amazon stock instead and it split into two Trillion dollar companies? On September 3, 1929 the Dow Jones was 452. Today it's 2,759. How many people have become millionaires playing VP vs. investing in the markets? Check your math.
HugoSlavia
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November 13th, 2019 at 10:25:41 AM permalink
Quote: SingleCoinVP

What if you don't hit a royal flush in ten years of play? What if you bought $100,000 worth of Amazon stock instead and it split into two Trillion dollar companies? On September 3, 1929 the Dow Jones was 452. Today it's 2,759. How many people have become millionaires playing VP vs. investing in the markets? Check your math.



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