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TomG
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November 12th, 2019 at 3:52:17 PM permalink
Quote: SingleCoinVP

Can anyone make a profit playing slots and Keno today?



Yes
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November 12th, 2019 at 4:43:36 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

VP in Montana is definitely NOT Class II!



I didn't read everything here, but, I want to reiterate:

VP IN MONTANA IS DEFINITELY NOT CLASS II !!!!!
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November 12th, 2019 at 4:49:58 PM permalink
Thatís correct, sometimes people think so just because it auto holds after the deal, but most Spielo machines do. Some Game Kings even do. The auto holds for the Spielos are also often wrong, but this is explained in the rule screen. Same thing with certain Game Kings, sometimes wrong (though others may be optimal) but I donít know if the rules screen says so.
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November 12th, 2019 at 5:38:28 PM permalink
Why on earth does it recommend wrong holds? So as not to confuse people on penalty card deviations?
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November 12th, 2019 at 6:33:27 PM permalink
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Why on earth does it recommend wrong holds? So as not to confuse people on penalty card deviations?



I canít speak for the game kings, but the Spielos state in the rules screen that the holds are based on the highest probability of drawing to a winning hand.
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November 12th, 2019 at 6:43:05 PM permalink
Speaking of a progressive question, hopefully I can interject my own (silly newbie) questions. Does a progressive video poker machine have the same odds of winning as a non-progressive machine? Does a certain portion of the bet go to the progressive? I know a place that starts the 25-cent progressive at $1500 and wondered if the machines could be set by the house to pay out less often in order to pay for the progressive...

Is the paytable the only factor that determines the house edge? Or can houses adjust how loose or tight the machines are without changing the paytables. I've heard "rumors" that machines tend to pay out more at the end of a period to meet the required payouts.
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November 12th, 2019 at 7:53:33 PM permalink
Quote: BlueEagle

Speaking of a progressive question, hopefully I can interject my own (silly newbie) questions. Does a progressive video poker machine have the same odds of winning as a non-progressive machine? Does a certain portion of the bet go to the progressive? I know a place that starts the 25-cent progressive at $1500 and wondered if the machines could be set by the house to pay out less often in order to pay for the progressive...

Is the paytable the only factor that determines the house edge? Or can houses adjust how loose or tight the machines are without changing the paytables. I've heard "rumors" that machines tend to pay out more at the end of a period to meet the required payouts.




The progressive machines work the same as any other video poker machine. The casino does not alter it in any way. Often you will see pay tables that are not as good on progressives but that is not always the case.

Sams Town has a bank of machines that start the .25 cent royal at 1500 and the pay tables are pretty good as well.
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November 12th, 2019 at 7:56:44 PM permalink
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I recently read about Micky Crimm. I had never heard his name before, so I Googled him and found his interview on Bob Dancer's radio show. In this interview, he describes making money playing advantage slots and keno games in Montana. Having recently made a trip to Montana, this interested me. All the VP games I saw in Montana were class II.

Mickey states that he finds advantage opportunities when a progressive is large enough to overcome a 5% house edge. I have never seen progressives like he describes in this Interview. It seems to me a progressive would have to be very large to make a game like that positive. The video poker games I play are 97%. How big does a royal progressive have to be to overcome a 3% house advantage? Can anyone make a profit playing slots and Keno today?




Ya you were looking at the wrong games. Mickey makes a living off of KENO progressives. He has a "route" he scouts and only plays when the progressive is high enough to push it positive. Sure he will hit a video poker progressive at times but keno is his bread and butter.
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November 12th, 2019 at 7:58:34 PM permalink
Quote: vegas



Sams Town has a bank of machines that start the .25 cent royal at 1500 and the pay tables are pretty good as well.



There are many progressives in Nevada where the $0.25 progressive starts at $2,500. I used to know of $1 progressives that started at $10,000. I don't know if any still exist.
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November 12th, 2019 at 8:08:47 PM permalink
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There are many progressives in Nevada where the $0.25 progressive starts at $2,500. I used to know of $1 progressives that started at $10,000. I don't know if any still exist.



2.5 times the normal royal. Wow. Guess I have to travel around a bit more on my next visit.
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