BlackjackLover
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December 17th, 2018 at 9:40:00 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

I guess the rest is being short in some combination of three-of-a-kinds, straights, flushes, full houses


This seems to be the case. You should record the results next time. Not getting enough Jacks or Better and Two Pair can also contribute to this.
7craps
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December 17th, 2018 at 9:49:31 AM permalink
Quote: BlackjackLover

You should record the results next time. Not getting enough Jacks or Better and Two Pair can also contribute to this.

How about getting too many Jacks or Better and/or Two Pair? (as in my last data example)

a push is a push except when it takes away from a higher paying hand.
HandPaynet gainOccurs Every% Return100expected number actualreturn actual
Royal Flush4000399548,034.951.672.08182E-050.00208181800
Straight Flush2502458,837.480.570.0001131540.01131544300
4 Aces8007954,566.953.50.0002189650.02189645200
4 2s,3s,4s4003951908.24.190.0005240540.05240540800
4 5s thru Ks250245623.518.020.0016038240.16038235200
Full House454094.089.570.0106292521.0629251700
Flush353065.6910.660.0152230171.52230172130
Straight252066.587.510.0150195251.501952538120
3 of a KIND151013.7221.860.0728862977.288629738440
2 Pair508.4111.890.11890606411.89060642100
Jacks or Better505.0819.670.19685039419.68503937250
No Win0-51.7600.56818181856.8181818259-295
totals......100-205
Last edited by: 7craps on Dec 17, 2018
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BlackjackLover
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December 17th, 2018 at 10:55:00 AM permalink
Quote: 7craps

How about getting too many Jacks or Better and/or Two Pair? (as in my last data example)

a push is a push except when it takes away from a higher paying hand.


Yes, but I meant getting nothing instead of Jacks or Better or Two Pair.
7craps
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Thanks for this post from:
BlackjackLover
December 17th, 2018 at 1:31:03 PM permalink
Quote: BlackjackLover

Yes, but I meant getting nothing instead of Jacks or Better or Two Pair.

understandable
Here is a session I just played of 2400 hands. OP game and denom.
lost $570

netresultindexcountreturnexpected numberdiff
3995Royal flush1000.050-0.050
245Straight flush2000.272-0.272
7954 aces317950.5260.474
3954 2-4413951.258-0.258
2454 5-K549803.8490.151
40Full house62080025.510-5.510
30Flush73193036.533-5.533
20Straight84284036.0495.951
103 of a kind91501500174.891-24.891
0Two pair103130285.42027.580
0Jacks or better114760472.1873.813
-5Nothing121362-68101,363.456-1.456
totals..2400-570..


Nothing was about right on.
Two Pair & 3oak kept the session down.
35.29% chance that any session has a loss of $570 or more over 2400 hands played.

Had to try again
want to win or at least lose ev
netresultindexcountreturnexpected numberdiff
3995Royal flush1000.050-0.050
245Straight flush2000.272-0.272
7954 aces3000.526-0.526
3954 2-4413951.258-0.258
2454 5-K5512253.8491.151
40Full house627108025.5101.490
30Flush73399036.533-3.533
20Straight84182036.0494.951
103 of a kind91951950174.89120.109
0Two pair102670285.420-18.420
0Jacks or better114900472.18717.813
-5Nothing121341-67051,363.456-22.456
totals..2400-245..
2400
hands played

never liked the no kicker games
-$245 session

one more time!
netresultindexcountreturnexpected numberdiff
3995Royal flush1000.050-0.050
245Straight flush2000.272-0.272
7954 aces3000.526-0.526
3954 2-4413951.258-0.258
2454 5-K549803.8490.151
40Full house62080025.510-5.510
30Flush734102036.533-2.533
20Straight82142036.049-15.049
103 of a kind91911910174.89116.109
0Two pair102940285.4208.580
0Jacks or better114710472.187-1.187
-5Nothing121364-68201,363.4560.544
totals..2400-1295..
2400
hands played

LOL
Hey variance
what's up!
Last edited by: 7craps on Dec 17, 2018
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mustangsally
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December 17th, 2018 at 4:31:35 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

or some weird combination of missing a lot of full houses, flushes, straights, trips, 2 pair and high pairs??

never thought of any combination as being weird.


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Last edited by: mustangsally on Dec 17, 2018
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December 19th, 2018 at 11:29:18 AM permalink
The big problem here is that in 2400 hands, you are entitled to 2400/40000 (6%) of the Royal Flush payout. If you add that to your total, you should be about where you are supposed to be.
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100xOdds
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December 19th, 2018 at 6:49:07 PM permalink
today another -$1100 loss in 2400 hands but different on how that was achieved.
1) no quads or better (WTF!!!!) :(
2) lots of straights. flushes and full houses


edit:
I was surprised i didn't lose more since I didn't hit a quad.
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Dec 20, 2018
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Mooseton
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December 19th, 2018 at 11:20:10 PM permalink
The way she goes
$1700, 18, 19, 1920, 40, 60,... :/ Thx 'Do it again'. I'll try
BlackjackLover
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December 20th, 2018 at 1:48:03 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

today another -$1100 loss in 2400 hands but different on how that was achieved.
1) no quads or better (WTF!!!!) :(
2) lots of straights. flushes and full houses


Very normal.

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