Using a strategy for the wrong game

Hi. I found this:

http://www.casinocenter.com/going-down-the-wrong-road/

Questions:

Does the variance change in a game like 10/7 DB when you use a JoB strategy on the game?

Does anyone know about anything like this for deuces variants?

Reason for asking:. In my case I have NSUD strategy down cold... If I adust holding a pair vs 2 pair based on what full houses pay on any given pay table... How do I see my loss in EV for using the wrong strategy? Example:. Using a nsud strategy on a full pay deuces game.

Quote: prozema

Hi. I found this:

http://www.casinocenter.com/going-down-the-wrong-road/

Questions:

Does the variance change in a game like 10/7 DB when you use a JoB strategy on the game?

Does anyone know about anything like this for deuces variants?

Reason for asking:. In my case I have NSUD strategy down cold... If I adust holding a pair vs 2 pair based on what full houses pay on any given pay table... How do I see my loss in EV for using the wrong strategy? Example:. Using a nsud strategy on a full pay deuces game.

Interesting post and interesting link. I played with the 10-7 DB question a bit, not for long, but just tweeking some of the major differences of JoB into the DB strategy, to where I got a return of 99.93 or so. You can see I didn't go very far. But with just those changes, it seemed that the variance actually went up a tiny notch, 28 to 29. Not sure exactly why, I could probably figure it out if I spent more time on it.

I can't answer your deuces question, although I read that using a FPDW strategy on NSU will cost you a whole percent. That wasn't my work, I read it elsewhere. The other way around I don't know. But there's too much difference in Deuces to be mixing strategies, imo.

I remember when I was a little younger and juggling different forms of deuces, I would put the order of seven situations to burn in my memory. They all involved one-deuce situations.

1. Pat flush or FL5
2. SF4-0
3. SF4-1
4. ST5
5. SF4-2
6. Trips
7. SF4 (Ace-wheel)

Between FPDW, NSU, PNSU, LDW, TDW, BDW, etc., that one-deuce situation comes up frequently so I want to go over it before I leave the house and attack a specific game and commit the order of those seven situations to memory. Juggling deuces games ain't so easy.

And if I was you I wouldn't attempt to do an "easy" mix of NSU and FPDW strategy. Learn them separately, and at least Level-3 Strategy.

Here's an easy one. W-9s-8s-5s-5d. How do you play it on NSU? How do you play it on PNSU?

Quote: bobbartop

But there's too much difference in Deuces to be mixing strategies, imo.

I should not have said it like that. Obviously one could play NSU with pNSU strategy and not give up anything significant, and vice versa.

If you use 9/6 JOB strategy on 10/7 DB:

- the return decreases from 100.1725% to 99.632%
- the variance increases from 28.2555 to 30.5939

The increase in variance comes from the Royal Flush. You don't try for it as hard with 'proper' DB strategy because a flush is worth more. For example, you hold suited KQ2 in DB, but just KQ in Jacks.

Quote: JB

If you use 9/6 JOB strategy on 10/7 DB:

- the return decreases from 100.1725% to 99.632%
- the variance increases from 28.2555 to 30.5939

The increase in variance comes from the Royal Flush. You don't try for it as hard with 'proper' DB strategy because a flush is worth more. For example, you hold suited KQ2 in DB, but just KQ in Jacks.

Thanks. Now I understand why the variance went up when I tweeked the strategy. I probably would have figured it out if I had thought of it enough. It wasn't all I had to do tonight. But I missed it, so as they say, talk's cheap.

You have green ink, why don't I see you more often? Are you picking up the slack for losing Mission? I'm sure he too could have instantly figured this out. That's why you guys make the big bucks.

I appreciate the responses. I didn't mean to make you guys do a bunch of work.

I can play with the deuces question on my software, but I was hoping someone already did and published the work. Sounds like if they have, you don't know about it either. Maybe that's my first blog post...

Quote: bobbartop

Thanks. Now I understand why the variance went up when I tweeked the strategy. I probably would have figured it out if I had thought of it enough. It wasn't all I had to do tonight. But I missed it, so as they say, talk's cheap.

You have green ink, why don't I see you more often? Are you picking up the slack for losing Mission? I'm sure he too could have instantly figured this out. That's why you guys make the big bucks.

JB is a whiz, but he doesn't do content, just programming. He works mostly in the background, responds when he is interested in a comment, or when there's a question about something he programmed, like many of the strategy calculators and practice games here and on WoO. He built the frame for this forum.

Quote: beachbumbabs

JB is a whiz, but he doesn't do content, just programming. He works mostly in the background, responds when he is interested in a comment, or when there's a question about something he programmed, like many of the strategy calculators and practice games here and on WoO. He built the frame for this forum.

Ok, I see. I think I've heard his initials before. Very impressive, a lot of cool calculators. Thank you, both.

The two-pair versus one-pair difference based on the full house is a key difference, as the OP mentions.

Another major difference is based on the flush. If flushes return 3-for-1, hold a no-deuce 4-card flush over a pair. If flushes pay 2-for-1, hold the pair over a 4-card flush.

Also, ace-low 3-card SF3s (e.g. 'A34', 'A35', and 'A45') are typically held when flushes pay 3-for-1 and not held when flushes pay 2-for-1.

Quote: bobbartop

1. Pat flush or FL5
2. SF4-0
3. SF4-1
4. ST5
5. SF4-2
6. Trips
7. SF4 (Ace-wheel)

Aha! Dancer-Daily notation. I love it!

Quote: BobDancer

The two-pair versus one-pair difference based on the full house is a key difference, as the OP mentions.

Another major difference is based on the flush. If flushes return 3-for-1, hold a no-deuce 4-card flush over a pair. If flushes pay 2-for-1, hold the pair over a 4-card flush.

Also, ace-low 3-card SF3s (e.g. 'A34', 'A35', and 'A45') are typically held when flushes pay 3-for-1 and not held when flushes pay 2-for-1.

Suddenly I feel like buying video poker for winners.

Appreciate the tips on flushes!

Quote: prozema

Suddenly I feel like buying video poker for winners.

DO IT! (as Jerry Rubin once said)

You'll thank yourself, and you'll wonder why you hadn't already bought it.

Quote: bobbartop

DO IT! (as Jerry Rubin once said)

You'll thank yourself, and you'll wonder why you hadn't already bought it.

Agreed.. it will pay for itself over and over. Be sure to pay the extra $5 to get the CD version. Very handy... and you can save your limited downloads for emergencies.

Is it that much better than frugal video poker?

Quote: prozema

Is it that much better than frugal video poker?

i don't have that one.. so can't comment.