Bonus Deluxe Plan

Let's say I found the following:

- a 9/6 Bonus poker deluxe machine with denominations of $2, $5, and $10
- an exceptionless strategy for the game that pays 99.6396%
- a slot club that gives 1 point for $10 coin in.
- the slot club gives $1 in free play for every 100 points.
- the slot club offers 10x point days.

Question 1: I think this means I can play with an advantage of over 0.6%. Right?

Question 2: is this opportunity really good? Kinda good? Mediocre? Or really bad?

I was looking at the wizards bankroll size vs risk of ruin tables for JoB. (close in terms of house edge).

Question 3: does the units = the denomination I play ($5 for example) or does units = the bet per hand ($25 = $5 denomination x 5 per hand)?

Thanks in advance for the responses.

Quote: prozema

Let's say I found the following:

- a 9/6 Bonus poker deluxe machine with denominations of $2, $5, and $10
- an exceptionless strategy for the game that pays 99.6396%
- a slot club that gives 1 point for $10 coin in.
- the slot club gives $1 in free play for every 100 points.
- the slot club offers 10x point days.

Question 1: I think this means I can play with an advantage of over 0.6%. Right?

Question 2: is this opportunity really good? Kinda good? Mediocre? Or really bad?

I was looking at the wizards bankroll size vs risk of ruin tables for JoB. (close in terms of house edge).

Question 3: does the units = the denomination I play ($5 for example) or does units = the bet per hand ($25 = $5 denomination x 5 per hand)?

Thanks in advance for the responses.

Question 4: How long will I play before I get 86'd?

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Question 4: How long will I play before I get 86'd?

Thanks. Sounds like I found a good one.

Quote: prozema

Thanks. Sounds like I found a good one.

Supposedly, Sweat Joint (South Point) is notorious for doing this to the 9/6 BPDx players on multiplier days. Others may chime in with other evidence.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Supposedly, Sweat Joint (South Point) is notorious for doing this to the 9/6 BPDx players on multiplier days. Others may chime in with other evidence.

This is not in Nevada.

Probably a good thing then. Tear it up!

Thanks again. I'm trying to understand bankroll vs risk of ruin. Let's say I want an 80% chance of success and have $10k to throw at it. How would I figure out when to go from $2 to $5 to $10?

Quote: prozema

Let's say I found the following:

- a 9/6 Bonus poker deluxe machine with denominations of $2, $5, and $10
- an exceptionless strategy for the game that pays 99.6396%
- a slot club that gives 1 point for $10 coin in.
- the slot club gives $1 in free play for every 100 points.
- the slot club offers 10x point days.

Question 1: I think this means I can play with an advantage of over 0.6%. Right?

Question 2: is this opportunity really good? Kinda good? Mediocre? Or really bad?

I was looking at the wizards bankroll size vs risk of ruin tables for JoB. (close in terms of house edge).

Question 3: does the units = the denomination I play ($5 for example) or does units = the bet per hand ($25 = $5 denomination x 5 per hand)?

Thanks in advance for the responses.

1 unit is = to the max bet.

As far as ROR goes it would be closer to the double bonus than it would be to the 9/6 JOB. Paying 1 on 2 pair is the killer. 10k isn't enough. You will have one hell of a rollercoaster ride on bonus poker deluxe.

A flat .6 is mediocre IMO. I would be focusing on what the mail might be.

Quote: prozema

Let's say I found the following:

- a 9/6 Bonus poker deluxe machine with denominations of $2, $5, and $10
- an exceptionless strategy for the game that pays 99.6396%
- a slot club that gives 1 point for $10 coin in.
- the slot club gives $1 in free play for every 100 points.
- the slot club offers 10x point days.

Question 1: I think this means I can play with an advantage of over 0.6%. Right?

Question 2: is this opportunity really good? Kinda good? Mediocre? Or really bad?

I was looking at the wizards bankroll size vs risk of ruin tables for JoB. (close in terms of house edge).

Question 3: does the units = the denomination I play ($5 for example) or does units = the bet per hand ($25 = $5 denomination x 5 per hand)?

Thanks in advance for the responses.

Yes, normally you'd have 0.1% cashback. On 10x days, it'd be worth 1% cashback.

1. Yes, 0.6396% advantage.
2. One person's "pretty bad" might be someone else's "really good".
3. Lots of information on this subject can be found here and says a unit is 5 coins, so it would be $1.25 for a $0.25 denom player.

Like Axel said, the table you should be looking at is the 10/7 double bonus table, particularly the 0.5% cash back column. Variance in 10/7 is 28.26. The variance in BPD is 32.13.

I'll see if I can run a sim tomorrow if I don't forget.

If I were to play this "all day" for 8-10 hours, I'd think a safe amount would be to have about $6k cash on hand if I were to play $1 denom. $12k for $2 denom. $30k for $5 denom. This is simply a CASH ON HAND figure, not how much your total bankroll should be.

Quote: RS

Yes, normally you'd have 0.1% cashback. On 10x days, it'd be worth 1% cashback.

1. Yes, 0.6396% advantage.
2. One person's "pretty bad" might be someone else's "really good".
3. Lots of information on this subject can be found here and says a unit is 5 coins, so it would be $1.25 for a $0.25 denom player.

Like Axel said, the table you should be looking at is the 10/7 double bonus table, particularly the 0.5% cash back column. Variance in 10/7 is 28.26. The variance in BPD is 32.13.

I'll see if I can run a sim tomorrow if I don't forget.

If I were to play this "all day" for 8-10 hours, I'd think a safe amount would be to have about $6k cash on hand if I were to play $1 denom. $12k for $2 denom. $30k for $5 denom. This is simply a CASH ON HAND figure, not how much your total bankroll should be.

Good feedback! I think I looked at the variance on bonus poker, not bonus deluxe. BIG difference...

The $10K bankroll is really cash on hand.

If you want to run a simulation, that would be very kind but if you are willing to share what software you use maybe I could do it myself? I'm not particularly skilled at programming.

Does the software work with ultimate x? I have access to some ~99.8 UX games.

Anyway... Based on feedback here I'm thinking $2 denomination ($10 per hand) for 4 hours to start.

PS. I've not been Rick rolled in years. That made me grin.

Quote: AxelWolf

1 unit is = to the max bet.

As far as ROR goes it would be closer to the double bonus than it would be to the 9/6 JOB. Paying 1 on 2 pair is the killer. 10k isn't enough. You will have one hell of a rollercoaster ride on bonus poker deluxe.

A flat .6 is mediocre IMO. I would be focusing on what the mail might be.

I figured the mail would be icing on the cake. Considering I almost never play there and when I do, it's very small, bar top -EV games played slowly while talking with friends, they mail with small free play and promotions like earn x points get a small gift.

They also do the earn drawing entries for larger prizes, but I have no idea how to calculate the value of those.

I guess to know what mail is possible, I'd need to know someone who gets it.

Quote: prozema

I figured the mail would be icing on the cake. Considering I almost never play there and when I do, it's very small, bar top -EV games played slowly while talking with friends, they mail with small free play and promotions like earn x points get a small gift.

They also do the earn drawing entries for larger prizes, but I have no idea how to calculate the value of those.

I guess to know what mail is possible, I'd need to know someone who gets it.

I just simulated some computer play on 4k hands(probably a bit more than you will play in 4 hours). I probably shouldn't even tell you, but why not. The session was absolutely horrible, it was up 405 credits from the start but then went straight down from there. The lowest point was actually on hand 4000 at -3760 credits. I would think this is very rare. Only 3 4 of a kinds in 4k hands It probably wouldn't get that bad since you would be spending a lot of time feeding in bills (-;

PM me your Email and ill send it over to you.

Anyways, if you can afford it and you enjoy playing, go for it and good luck. Not knowing what the mail is like, I wouldn't recommend this for someone who isn't well banked trying to make it as an AP.

Quote: AxelWolf

I just simulated some computer play on 4k hands(probably a bit more than you will play in 4 hours). I probably shouldn't even tell you, but why not. The session was absolutely horrible, it was up 405 credits from the start but then went straight down from there. The lowest point was actually on hand 4000 at -3760 credits. I would think this is very rare. Only 3 4 of a kinds in 4k hands It probably wouldn't get that bad since you would be spending a lot of time feeding in bills (-;

PM me your Email and ill send it over to you.

Anyways, if you can afford it and you enjoy playing, go for it and good luck. Not knowing what the mail is like, I wouldn't recommend this for someone who isn't well banked trying to make it as an AP.

Wow... Scary! I sent you my email. I appreciate your help.