Looking to establish a record for fastest video poker player.
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Quote: Mikey75There are guys posting videos of slot play on YouTube live that run for two plus hours. They claim to have permission from the casinos and I can't imagine they don't as one guy has a tripod set up between him and the machine. I don't think it would be to hard to get approval. I know one place they where videoing from was red rock. Of course they are putting massive amounts of money in and losing great amounts. I'm sure the casinos always make some exceptions for people who put big dollars through their machines.
I'm not the one doing it, but if it were me, I would MUCH rather feature a locals-type place just to drum up some exposure for an independent business as opposed to a casino conglomerate. Besides that, you have to spend hours on the phone with a big casino just to get to TALK to the right person. E-Mails may never be returned.
Small independent bar? Just call and ask when the manager will be in and then call back when he/she is there at a time that is not too busy. The second person you talk to is the right person and has permission to thumbs-up or thumbs-down the idea.
Maybe even something like Ellis Island?
If anyone goes in there please ask them to bring back the 40 dollars a day coin exchange Free Play Promotion... thanks!!
Quote: monet0412Ellis Island... the friendliest Casino to VP APs 😄
If anyone goes in there please ask them to bring back the 40 dollars a day coin exchange Free Play Promotion... thanks!!
Good times.
Long story short, I was planning on doing this promo every day. Figured I'd go to the bank, get coins for several days or a week, hit EI every day, get some cheap food, and wouldn't be too tough.
I went to the bank, went to stand in line and lady asks me what I want to do. I said I want to get a lot of quarters, what's the limit? She said there is no limit, as much as you want. I said I don't think you realize I want A LOT of quarters, do you have a limit as to how many I can get? She said no. Okay, cool.
I get to the front, go to the teller and say I'd like a lot of quarters, is there a limit and if so, what is it? Teller says no, there's no limit, you just have to have an account with us. Well perfect, I handed over my ID and credit or debit card, then asked for $1,000 or $2,000 in quarters. Teller was like nah, we can't do that, we don't even have that many on us. I said fine, give me however many quarters you can give me.
I only got like $300-400 I think. Holy cow, that would have been embarrassing if I got the $1k or $2k that I originally planned on. Them damn things are heavy as all hell. Had rolls of quarters in all my pockets in my pants, jacket, etc. and I felt like one of them gang bangers with their jeans at their knees, couldn't walk normal or nothing.
I never did it again.
Edit: sorry for the OT. :(
I got a bunch from wellnfago, too many, they were heavy as FK. I think 25% of them are still in my trunk. I'll make sure to bring a dolly next time.Quote: RSGood times.
Long story short, I was planning on doing this promo every day. Figured I'd go to the bank, get coins for several days or a week, hit EI every day, get some cheap food, and wouldn't be too tough.
I went to the bank, went to stand in line and lady asks me what I want to do. I said I want to get a lot of quarters, what's the limit? She said there is no limit, as much as you want. I said I don't think you realize I want A LOT of quarters, do you have a limit as to how many I can get? She said no. Okay, cool.
I get to the front, go to the teller and say I'd like a lot of quarters, is there a limit and if so, what is it? Teller says no, there's no limit, you just have to have an account with us. Well perfect, I handed over my ID and credit or debit card, then asked for $1,000 or $2,000 in quarters. Teller was like nah, we can't do that, we don't even have that many on us. I said fine, give me however many quarters you can give me.
I only got like $300-400 I think. Holy cow, that would have been embarrassing if I got the $1k or $2k that I originally planned on. Them damn things are heavy as all hell. Had rolls of quarters in all my pockets in my pants, jacket, etc. and I felt like one of them gang bangers with their jeans at their knees, couldn't walk normal or nothing.
I never did it again.
Edit: sorry for the OT. :(
If you wanted to go the bar route, I was talk to Drich. I have a feeling he could set it up without much problem.Quote: WizardI am a terrible salesman. Whenever I ask for anything people immediately and instinctively respond with "no." I've leaned it is better to wait to be asked than to ask yourself.
Unfortunately most bars have crappie paytables.
Quote: RS
I only got like $300-400 I think. Holy cow, that would have been embarrassing if I got the $1k or $2k that I originally planned on. Them damn things are heavy as all hell. Had rolls of quarters in all my pockets in my pants, jacket, etc. and I felt like one of them gang bangers with their jeans at their knees, couldn't walk normal or nothing.
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I remember the old days when even old ladies could carry buckets of quarters weighing as much as a car.
Quote: RSIf I do try this, I'd first learn the most complicated game imaginable just so whoever does the review is like "wtf kinda game is this where the proper hold is 5,8 suited over A,A!?"
That's Triple-Double Ultra Count 'Em Up Bonus Mega Deluxe Bonus Streak, of course. The one that pays Even Money on all hands of a straight or less, but offers multipliers, extra draws, naked models to give you back massages while you are playing...but most importantly, a bonus on all sequential Straight-Flushes as long as they are not in Clubs.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm wondering if one could crank out more hands-on something like Pick'em?
On the newer pickem machines 1000hph is easy.On the old ones about 800hph was the max that I knew of.
Quote: Mission146That's Triple-Double Ultra Count 'Em Up Bonus Mega Deluxe Bonus Streak, of course. The one that pays Even Money on all hands of a straight or less, but offers multipliers, extra draws, naked models to give you back massages while you are playing...but most importantly, a bonus on all sequential Straight-Flushes as long as they are not in Clubs.
aka Happy Endings VP
Quote: AyecarumbaWhat if you do it the other way, and make it "Fastest to play 1,000 hands accurately"?
I like this better than record 10min of VP and extrapolate to 1 hr
With a 10 min session, its possible someone could have a much easier session of hands. One with a lot of obvious dealt paying hands and few difficult ones. For instance, a dealt flush can be recognized, held in one motion and drawn almost instantly without even thinking. It's the same with some other hands like a dealt 3 of a kind, dealt full house, and even dealt pay pairs(this is one of the times I do recommend holding all 5 cards when dealt a 4 of a kind). Meanwhile, Someone is going to be playing 9/6 and get something like Ks 10s 9d 3s 4d and then As Ks 10s 10d 5s.
Quote: AxelWolfPersonally, I think 20 min is the perfect amount of time. Not too long, not too short(can you put a 20 min video up on Youtube?).
With a 10 min session, its possible someone could have a much easier session of hands. One with a lot of obvious dealt paying hands and few difficult ones.
For instance, a dealt flush can be recognized, held in one motion and drawn almost instantly without even thinking. It's the same with some other hands like a dealt 3 of a kind, dealt full house, and even dealt pay pairs(this is one of the times I do recommend holding all 5 cards when dealt a 4 of a kind).
Meanwhile, Someone is going to be playing 9/6 and get something like Ks 10s 9d 3s 4d and then As Ks 10s 10d 5s.
ive seen entire movies on youtube.
i think fastest with 1000 hands w/o error would be easier, at least on the person critiquing the video.
at 1st error, he stops and rejects the video from consideration.
or, if you extrapolate, that's 333 hands in 20min if a person can do 1000 hands/hr.
so fastest to 333 hands w/o error.
plus using that # would be unique enough to get people to at least stop and wonder why 333. (catch gimmick?)
hm.. or 20min w/o error,
any which way, the w/o error part would be key so as to not overload the reviewer with work.
for As Ks 10s 10d 5s, depends which 9/6 we're talking about. JoB or DDB? :)
but why is it you hold 3 to the Royal in JoB but 4 to the flush if DDB? because of the lower 2 pair payout in DDB?
Quote: 100xOddsive seen entire movies on youtube.
i think fastest with 1000 hands w/o error would be easier, at least on the person critiquing the video.
at 1st error, he stops and rejects the video from consideration.
or, if you extrapolate, that's 333 hands in 20min if a person can do 1000 hands/hr.
so fastest to 333 hands w/o error.
plus using that # would be unique enough to get people to at least stop and wonder why 333. (catch gimmick?)
hm.. or 20min w/o error,
any which way, the w/o error part would be key so as to not overload the reviewer with work.
for As Ks 10s 10d 5s, depends which 9/6 we're talking about. JoB or DDB? :)
but why is it you hold 3 to the Royal in JoB but 4 to the flush if DDB? because of the lower 2 pair payout in DDB?
You hold the 4 flush in both.
IIRC you hold 4 to the flush on both 9/6 DDB and JOB in that situation. On JOB I assume the extra 10 penalizes the 3 card RF hand (fewer straights, 2 pairs and a 3 of a kind) reverting the hand to the 4 flush instead of the 3 card royal. I think most people take the 3 card RF anyways.Quote: 100xOddsive seen entire movies on youtube.
i think fastest with 1000 hands w/o error would be easier, at least on the person critiquing the video.
at 1st error, he stops and rejects the video from consideration.
or, if you extrapolate, that's 333 hands in 20min if a person can do 1000 hands/hr.
so fastest to 333 hands w/o error.
plus using that # would be unique enough to get people to at least stop and wonder why 333. (catch gimmick?)
hm.. or 20min w/o error,
any which way, the w/o error part would be key so as to not overload the reviewer with work.
for As Ks 10s 10d 5s, depends which 9/6 we're talking about. JoB or DDB? :)
but why is it you hold 3 to the Royal in JoB but 4 to the flush if DDB? because of the lower 2 pair payout in DDB?
Quote: RSYou hold the 4 flush in both.
Quote: AxelWolfIIRC you hold 4 to the flush on both 9/6 DDB and JOB in that situation.
On JOB I assume the extra 10 penalizes the 3 card RF hand (fewer straights, 2 pairs and a 3 of a kind) reverting the hand to the 4 flush instead of the 3 card royal.
I think most people take the 3 card RF anyways.
ahh.. penalty cards.
I don't use them since the +.02% EV gained isn't worth the effort for me.
I just use the Wiz's JoB intermediate strategy.
and hence why I would fail this challenge.
also, on As Ks 10s 10d 5s, the extra Ten shouldn't have any effect on straight possibilities if you hold AKTs?
Quote: AxelWolfI'm wondering if one could crank out more hands-on something like Pick'em?
I won't allow Pick 'Em. Too easy to play.
I other news, a non-active member has PM'd me, claiming he can get up to 2,100 HPH. We plan to meet up tomorrow afternoon. He wants to play two machines. I need a second person to record the second machine. I'm willing to pay a fee for your help. Anyone interested? PM me for time and place.
Quote: WizardI have done four media interviews about the Vegas shooting and one thing that the interviewers seem incredible is my assertion that some highly skilled video poker players can play 1,000 hands per hour accurately, or more. Personally, my speed would impress nobody but I'm also 52 years old.
What I'm looking is somebody who can at least play close to 1,000 hand per hour (HPH) to establish some kind of record to beat. You can play any form of video poker you like, including two machines. I will just stand back and record the play on my iPhone. Later I will take it home and study every hand for accuracy as well as take a count of hands. Some kind of penalty will apply to any hands played incorrectly, according to the degree of lost EV in the error. I will allow anyone interested to remain anonymous. I am willing to pay something in return for allowing me to post the video on YouTube. Play must be done on a Game King (edited).
Who is up for the challenge?
I believe pick 'em falls under the "any form of video poker you like"!!
Quote: WizardI won't allow Pick 'Em. Too easy to play.
I other news, a non-active member has PM'd me, claiming he can get up to 2,100 HPH. We plan to meet up tomorrow afternoon. He wants to play two machines. I need a second person to record the second machine. I'm willing to pay a fee for your help. Anyone interested? PM me for time and place.
How many 'errors' do you expect him to make during a 2,100 hand session lasting an hour? Assuming you call any play that gives up any EV an error. 25?
Well FK, I wish I would have seen this sooner(is this still on or have you guys done it already ?) I would have help for free. Well, kinda, I would want to make a side bet on the HELL NO. I would try to call you, but I'm Charging phone.Quote: WizardI won't allow Pick 'Em. Too easy to play.
I other news, a non-active member has PM'd me, claiming he can get up to 2,100 HPH. We plan to meet up tomorrow afternoon. He wants to play two machines. I need a second person to record the second machine. I'm willing to pay a fee for your help. Anyone interested? PM me for time and place.
I would call a no weasel clause since he claiming 2100 hands, it just sounds like he's up to something(like using auto hold). I would be interested in knowing who the member is in order to judge how much I would be willing to bet.
Quote: RSIf I do try this, I'd first learn the most complicated game imaginable just so whoever does the review is like "wtf kinda game is this where the proper hold is 5,8 suited over A,A!?"
Using full pay 9/6 JoB, and only changing the straight flush figures and based on a 5 credit bet, it would have to pay 50,585 credits to make that play. I used the hand of 5♠️ 8♠️ A♦️ A♥️ 2♣️. At 50,580 you'd still hold the AA.
Quote: beachbumbabsI think you have to put 2-3 minutes on the front to let the person tune in and the distractions fade off. There's a concentration zone that takes a little time to get into.
Totally agree Babs. I think it would be very hard to get an accurate measure if you don't let the player get comfortable and "in their zone."
Quote: AxelWolfI would call a no weasel clause since he claiming 2100 hands, it just sounds like he's up to something(like using auto hold).
how accurate is auto-hold?
any caesars casinos have auto-hold (for DiaD)?
They’re available on eBay, not exactly for cheap, but I imagine it could be easier to find one for sale in Vegas.
If you were able to buy/borrow one, you could just set it up in someone’s house and record all you want.
Quote: gamerfreakSomeone on here must know someone in Vegas who privately owns a game king machine.
They’re available on eBay, not exactly for cheap, but I imagine it could be easier to find one for sale in Vegas.
If you were able to buy/borrow one, you could just set it up in someone’s house and record all you want.
And that would have the benefit of having access to the game's statistics.. hands are counted.. or at least coin in would be.
Pick 'Em Poker is still a negative. My mind will not change on that.
I've got a couple of maybes on a volunteer tomorrow (Friday). Still looking for a definite. PM for details if you're interested.
The ones I have played in the past were fairly close but were not 100% accurate. I think the speed would more than make up for it on something like this. I have no doubt Mike would exclude anything that's not in the spirit of the competition and what its intended for. However, someone might try to hold me to a bet either way.Quote: 100xOddshow accurate is auto-hold?
any caesars casinos have auto-hold (for DiaD)?
Nowadays, I have no clue how accurate auto hold is, the game I was messing around with was way too complicated to know if it was holding correctly. Dotty's has it on their U1 machines and that's the only ones I'm aware of. I can't remember exactly how fast it is, but it was as fast as you could push the button.
I would consider basing the penalty on the 9/6 JoB house edge. The house edge is coincidentally near the average player advantage for a 50/50 split of 10/7 DB and FPDW. It would take 217.4 hands for one losing bet in 9/6 JoB. So I would penalize a 1% EV error only 2.174 hands.
Good luck to all those who participate!
Quote: odiousgambitseems to me auto-hold will not hold any hand that doesn't pay if it doesn't improve, like a low pair or a 4 flush. You can see why the casino has a problem with any machine that would hold those hands, with customer complaints. Is this something that varies with different machines, or am I just wildly mis-remembering to begin with?
True auto hold, like on the U1 machines, hold every hand optimally. They lower the return on the U1 machine for that option.
Quote: tringlomaneI think the error penalty that Wizard proposed is too harsh.
I would consider basing the penalty on the 9/6 JoB house edge. The house edge is coincidentally near the average player advantage for a 50/50 split of 10/7 DB and FPDW. It would take 217.4 hands for one losing bet in 9/6 JoB. So I would penalize a 1% EV error only 2.174 hands.
But 9/6 Jacks is already a negative game. Making errors in it just makes you lose more. However, I was thinking that my current 5.8 hands per 1% of error might be too harsh. Few people would play 10-7 Double Bonus straight up. The comp back rate, at the Four Queens, for example, is 0.31%.
I could base this all on Full Pay Deuces Wild. With an advantage of 0.0076%, it takes 131 hands to get a unit of expected value. So, it would take only 1.3 hands to recoup a 1% error in EV.
Maybe I will just go for the middle and say 2 or 3 hands per 1% error in EV.
If I can play 800 HPH perfectly or 1000 HPH while giving up 0.5%, then there are certain plays I should play at 800 HPH and others at 1000 HPH, assuming the goal is max hourly. If I'm getting a 1% advantage, then at 800 HPH I'll be profiting 8 units per hour, and only 5 units at 1000 HPH. If I'm getting a 10% advantage, then I'll be making 80 units an hour at 800 HPH, but 95 units at 1000 HPH.
I think the easiest way to go about the error rate thing is just to say having an error rate of X% or less is acceptable, anything higher is a fail.
That doesn't solve the issue of games with complicated strategies and all their exceptions. 8/5 BP has something like ~60 exceptions. As for me, I know some exceptions in DDB but not all of them. Also wouldn't be fair to allow one person to use a simple strategy and not show something like the Ah, Kh, Th, 5h, Tc, where they hold the 3RF over the 4FL as correct.
Quote: RSI think the easiest way to go about the error rate thing is just to say having an error rate of X% or less is acceptable, anything higher is a fail.
I appreciate the suggestion but video poker is not a pass or fail game. It is realistic to the way the game is played to be punished in proportion to the number and severity of the errors.
I agree there is no perfect formula for the error penalty but sometimes in life we just have to make arbitrary decisions and then stick to them. As it stands, I plan to go with 3 hands penalty per 1% of loss of EV for each error. Why 3? Why not?
Quote: AyecarumbaMaybe this will give the Guinness folks a chance to observe and document?
There is an involved process to suggest something new as a record. I was thinking of solving the 5x5x5 Rubik's Cube on a unicycle and declare whatever my time was (it would take about 12 minutes) as the record. I'm sure it would be broken quickly but it would be nice to have it for a little while.
