jsm
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January 17th, 2017 at 9:07:54 PM permalink
What is the volatility of Ultimate X with 8/6 JoB as the base game? I know 8/6 JoB has a volatility around 20, but with the UX feature on top? Thanks!
jsm
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January 22nd, 2017 at 12:53:44 AM permalink
Anyone? Offers are getting decent, but the risk factor may be too high for me. At the very least: As a 5-play, is this game more or less volatile than 2 x (17.5 + 5 x 2) = 55?
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January 22nd, 2017 at 12:13:50 PM permalink
The Wiz mentions the standard deviation for the 1 line 8-6 game of 5.71 on
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/ultimate-x-single-line/
The multiline is a bit harder to compute.
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January 22nd, 2017 at 5:18:45 PM permalink
I do not have a number.

I have played large amounts of three different UX Ten Play games --- 9/6 DDB, 15-9-5 DW, 8-6 BPD. It "feels" to me that the variance of the games are between two and three times the base game Ten Play variances.

A good number would be better, but I don't have one. I'm comfortable with my "feel" until better numbers are published by JB or someone else.
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January 22nd, 2017 at 7:01:44 PM permalink
Thank you Bob and Gary! Hmm. Tough decision. The property's games only start getting good at $1 and there are only two
"lower" options worth giving a second look: the UX machine described above and a 98.45% spin poker. But to generate 7 hotel days and two invitational tournaments with $6-7 thousand coin-in for one day of play...could it be worth the risk? Or would it be better to hog all the comps for the month and look elsewhere? Not Slytherin house not Slytherin house please not Slytherin house. Sorting hat: Not Slytherin house, eh? I'll give it a good think. Thanks again!
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January 22nd, 2017 at 7:26:17 PM permalink
If it's just coin in, maybe play the UX 8/6 jacks without the UX feature?

UX is the devil i tell ya
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January 22nd, 2017 at 7:36:50 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

If it's just coin in, maybe play the UX 8/6 jacks without the UX feature?

UX is the devil i tell ya



I don't call it UX... I call it ... Two For One... that's what it really should be called!
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January 22nd, 2017 at 7:50:25 PM permalink
Wouldn't. Trade ux for the world
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January 22nd, 2017 at 8:13:38 PM permalink
UX is like a golden henhouse: Easier to catch bees with honey than it is to catch bears with beers, as the ancient Hawaiians used to say.

IOW: It's da best.
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January 22nd, 2017 at 8:15:18 PM permalink
I saw a sign at Planet Hollywood on UX

"Win $1.2 million dollars on this machine!"

no fine print saying must be a dealt royal with a 12x multiplier

:(
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January 22nd, 2017 at 8:22:54 PM permalink
That's awesome
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January 22nd, 2017 at 8:25:14 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

I saw a sign at Planet Hollywood on UX

"Win $1.2 million dollars on this machine!"

no fine print saying must be a dealt royal with a 12x multiplier

:(



Doesn't need to be a dealt royal, noob. :)


When/if someone does hit it, I know what the article about it is going to say: "Man wins $1.2 million with a single $5 bet!"
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January 22nd, 2017 at 11:14:45 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Doesn't need to be a dealt royal, noob. :)


When/if someone does hit it, I know what the article about it is going to say: "Man wins $1.2 million with a single $5 bet!"



Oh yeah Vulture McVultureton of Las Vegas hit for $1.2 mil on a royal. He "rarely" plays the game!
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January 22nd, 2017 at 11:49:26 PM permalink
Let's not forget, very few people are playing UX optimally.
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January 23rd, 2017 at 12:55:51 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Let's not forget, very few people are playing UX optimally.



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January 23rd, 2017 at 5:16:36 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

I saw a sign at Planet Hollywood on UX

"Win $1.2 million dollars on this machine!"

no fine print saying must be a dealt royal with a 12x multiplier

:(



And if someone hits it, that will be the end of UX in CZR casinos. Doesn't matter if they bring in 100x that, only that someone hit it will matter to the Bean Counters.
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January 23rd, 2017 at 11:32:16 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

I saw a sign at Planet Hollywood on UX

"Win $1.2 million dollars on this machine!"

no fine print saying must be a dealt royal with a 12x multiplier

:(



Probably should. Odds of pulling it off is about 1 in 451 million.

Quote: AxelWolf

Let's not forget, very few people are playing UX optimally.



Standard strategy (which a lot more people are close to) gets within about 0.6% though.

Quote: Boz

And if someone hits it, that will be the end of UX in CZR casinos. Doesn't matter if they bring in 100x that, only that someone hit it will matter to the Bean Counters.



Not sure if CZR is that stupid, but they can be pretty stupid. It might be the end of the game at the $5 level though for them. The only places I've seen the game that high outside of Vegas is Harrah's Joliet and Horseshoe Hammond.

And someone hit the "unicorn" at Double Super Times Pay for $800,000 at Horseshoe Hammond in Sept. 2015. The game is still there. And hitting that is a paltry 1 in 9.74 million odds. Any dealt royal with a deal multiplier automatically gives you a 20X royal.

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January 23rd, 2017 at 11:36:22 AM permalink
Quote: jsm

Anyone? Offers are getting decent, but the risk factor may be too high for me. At the very least: As a 5-play, is this game more or less volatile than 2 x (17.5 + 5 x 2) = 55?



I just ran a simulation of 1 billion hands using a single strategy that returned 99.37%. The variance was 95.
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January 23rd, 2017 at 1:30:35 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

And someone hit the "unicorn" at Double Super Times Pay for $800,000 at Horseshoe Hammond in Sept. 2015. The game is still there. And hitting that is a paltry 1 in 9.74 million odds. Any dealt royal with a deal multiplier automatically gives you a 20X royal.

At Jackson Casino (Sacramento, CA), lady hit $200,000 on 5x0.50 (highest denom on machine) - maybe March 2014.

I arrived at Jackson a few hours after she hit, and was playing the machine next to the one she played. The guy playing her machine told me about it, and heard about it a lot for the next few months.

One of my friends likes Double Super because a dealt royal automatically gives you 10X for deal & 10X for draw.

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In 2010 Las Vegas, a friend almost vultured a $1.2 million UX hand. Found all 12Xs on 5x$5 (the highest denom at the time), dealt 4 cards to royal. Didn't even get a pair. Lost -$125.

With 5-play $10 (on UX & UX Bonus Streak), now possible to get $2.4 million on one hand.

On standard 3x$100, a dealt royal is $1.2 million. Happened at Bellagio Nov 2009 (TDB). Does anyone know if it's happened anywhere else?
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January 23rd, 2017 at 1:35:05 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

I just ran a simulation of 1 billion hands using a single strategy that returned 99.37%. The variance was 95.



Thank you for running a simulation! It looks like those machines are a little too exciting for me, then.
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