Return on VP games w/multipliers
im assuming the return takes into account all the times you wiff when you get a multipler?
like this one:
also, for dstp, how much EV does a 20x dealt royal add to the return?
1) of course it does
2) 0.117%
Quote: sabreI hate having to hold 3 to a straight with a deuce, even though it's the right play in many (most?) DW variants.
When deuces only pay 200 for 1, I think this is correct except for full pay deuces.
I don't feel like the hold comes up too often though.
So in your case with 12x and 5 credits you are playing at approx 96%x12 advantage. Which obviously is huge. So if you do the right play you your ev is huge. If you just hold the 2 then your ev is still huge. So would you like a huge advantage with more variance or a "huger" advantage with less variance.
Hell with 12x you could probably discard all and still be at a large EV.
Quote: onenickelmiracleAs far as 20x royal, wake up and stop dreaming.
I've seen it once. Lady playing 2 hands of triple play get it for $40,000.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI've seen it once. Lady playing 2 hands of triple play get it for $40,000.
Is a dealt an automatic 20x or does it have to be a dealt on a hand that had a multiplier?
Quote: GWAEIs a dealt an automatic 20x or does it have to be a dealt on a hand that had a multiplier?
Has to have a deal multiplier. It's supposed to automatically be 20x also.
Quote: IbeatyouracesHas to have a deal multiplier. It's supposed to automatically be 20x also.
^ This. I reckon if she's a draw multiplier (without a deal multiplier) it'll be whatever the multiplier is. But if it's a dealt multiplier, automatically 20x.
Damn, and I still haven't gotten a dealt RF. :(
Quote: onenickelmiracleIf you're paying for the multiplier there really isn't ev, because although you're getting more for your money, you're still not gaining. I think it is universal the extra credits for max bet raise the overall return.
Generally there is a small incentive, but there are a few exceptions.
I know that "Hot Roll" and "Good Times Pay" add no return.
Quote: RS^ This. I reckon if she's a draw multiplier (without a deal multiplier) it'll be whatever the multiplier is. But if it's a dealt multiplier, automatically 20x.
Damn, and I still haven't gotten a dealt RF. :(
Yeah, draw multipliers on dealt royals are supposed to be normal value.
At least your dealt royal when it comes won't be $240 like mine right? :(
Quote: tringlomaneAt least your dealt royal when it comes won't be $240 like mine right? :(
Mt first one was $9000. Max bet 9/6 JoB STP Spin Poker. Unfortunately no multiplier. :-(
My second is in that little circle by my name. :-)
really ? seems like it comes up enough to be annoying.Quote: tringlomane
I don't feel like the hold comes up too often though.
Quote: tringlomane<snip>
Yeah, draw multipliers on dealt royals are supposed to be normal value.<snip>
Good luck getting a Draw multiplier on a Dealt royal. ;)
(Or did I somehow misunderstand that)
Good to know about Good Times Pay and Hot Roll. I was wondering why there were games so similar to STP and DSTP.Quote: tringlomaneGenerally there is a small incentive, but there are a few exceptions.
I know that "Hot Roll" and "Good Times Pay" add no return.Quote: RS^ This. I reckon if she's a draw multiplier (without a deal multiplier) it'll be whatever the multiplier is. But if it's a dealt multiplier, automatically 20x.
Damn, and I still haven't gotten a dealt RF. :(
Yeah, draw multipliers on dealt royals are supposed to be normal value.
At least your dealt royal when it comes won't be $240 like mine right? :(
Quote: AxelWolfreally ? seems like it comes up enough to be annoying.
I agree, it seems like it comes up a lot to me.
Quote: onenickelmiracleGood to know about Good Times Pay and Hot Roll. I was wondering why there were games so similar to STP and DSTP.
I really like Good Times Pay. The Southpoint has it five handed for quarters on NSUD. That's about the only game I play at SP.
