malgorium
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July 29th, 2016 at 3:30:24 PM permalink
I'm having a lot of trouble making sense of the deuces wild exception appendices:

Appendix 1: list of exceptions where you hold or don't hold a 2-card king-high royal

Appendix 2: list of exceptions where you hold or don't hold a deuce plus 2-card royal, where one of the cards is an ace.

I can't for the life of me figure out why these makes any sense.

I'll take the example listed in appendix 2:

If you had the 2s 6c Qd 3c Ad, your best play is to hold the deuce.

But if you had 2s 7c Qd 3c Ad, your best play is to hold the 2s Qd Ad??

Can anyone explain? I don't see how 3c 6c is materially any different from 3c 7c.
Ibeatyouraces
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July 29th, 2016 at 4:58:47 PM permalink
Most likely straight penalties.
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malgorium
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July 29th, 2016 at 5:27:47 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Most likely straight penalties.



If you're holding 2 A Q, the only straight penalty cards are J K T, right? Where do 3 6 and 3 7 come into play?
sabre
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July 29th, 2016 at 5:29:51 PM permalink
Holding the deuce only makes 14593 straight and 871 straight flushes when the sidecards are 36s
Holding the deuce only makes 14269 straight and 856 straight flushes when the sidecards are 37s

That difference is enough to make the 2AQs a better play in the case of 37s sidecards.
malgorium
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July 29th, 2016 at 6:08:56 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

Holding the deuce only makes 14593 straight and 871 straight flushes when the sidecards are 36s
Holding the deuce only makes 14269 straight and 856 straight flushes when the sidecards are 37s

That difference is enough to make the 2AQs a better play in the case of 37s sidecards.



OOoh, that make sense. I'm dumb. I was only looking at it as 'what does 36s vs. 37s have to do with AQ??' when I wasn't thinking about what those dead cards will do to my hand's chances if I only keep the deuce.

Thanks!
Joeshlabotnik
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July 29th, 2016 at 7:32:01 PM permalink
There are also some arcane plays where you keep just a deuce if one of the cards you are throwing away is a 3, because a 3 is basically the worst card for a straight in DW, making a deck lacking that 3 straight-rich.

Learning crap like this can save you $0.13 a month if you play .25 FPDW eight hours a day, seven days a week. It's pretty much a waste of brain cells, but if you want to learn all the arcane penalty card stuff, go for it. I read somewhere that ignoring penalty card considerations altogether drops you from 100.73% to 100.65%, and learning the most common penalty card scenarios gets you back to 100.71%. if you're playing .25 FPDW, not learning penalty cards drops you from earning $8/hr to $7/hr.

Of course, if you play for Bob Danceresque stakes, those tiny strategy adjustments matter, which is why you see him writing whole columns on why you should hold the AQ from AQ752 but only the A from AQ852 in Double Bubble Trouble Bonus. This benefits all those players who are playing $125 a hand.
malgorium
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July 30th, 2016 at 11:21:33 AM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

learning the most common penalty card scenarios gets you back to 100.71%.



I think this is where I'm at, and I'm fine with that. I don't plan on learning all the super obscure penalty card exceptions, I was just curious as I clicked on them and couldn't make sense of why they were the way they were.
Ibeatyouraces
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July 30th, 2016 at 3:00:47 PM permalink
Just got lucky on this very occurrence. Was dealt QJTos, 3, 2. Held just the deuce, got another 3 and these three other cards...

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July 30th, 2016 at 3:29:51 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Was dealt QJTos, 3, 2.



Good thing you weren't dealt QJTos, 4, 2.
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July 30th, 2016 at 3:40:18 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik


.... why you should hold the AQ from AQ752 but only the A from AQ852 in Double Bubble Trouble Bonus.



Sometimes you hold just the J instead of AJ if it's Double Bubble Trouble Bonus progressive.
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