tongni
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August 20th, 2015 at 3:29:56 PM permalink
I should figure this out myself, but feeling lazy. I believe 8/6 JOB is 98.5%. Anyone know what 8/6 BPD single line returns?
RS
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August 20th, 2015 at 4:13:13 PM permalink
LTFG.
tongni
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August 20th, 2015 at 4:20:08 PM permalink
Don't think it's listed anywhere, but I've been wrong before. Note that I'm looking for ultimate x single line returns.
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August 20th, 2015 at 4:27:00 PM permalink
If you know the multipliers, it can be figured out using WOO VP strategy engine thing.
Ibeatyouraces
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August 20th, 2015 at 9:00:53 PM permalink
http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/ultimate-x/

99.70%
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
tongni
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August 21st, 2015 at 12:38:07 AM permalink
single line, not multiline. it's not listed there, and it has to be lower than 99.57%. i realize that the wizard calculator may give a rough approximation. it's not like i didn't read the 17 page academic paper linked to on that page, or looked at multiple sources. i was just hoping someone would have the IGT listed return rather than posting something condescending.
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August 21st, 2015 at 12:46:38 AM permalink
Do you know the multipliers?
tringlomane
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August 21st, 2015 at 1:48:33 AM permalink
Quote: tongni

single line, not multiline. it's not listed there, and it has to be lower than 99.57%. i realize that the wizard calculator may give a rough approximation. it's not like i didn't read the 17 page academic paper linked to on that page, or looked at multiple sources. i was just hoping someone would have the IGT listed return rather than posting something condescending.



Actually with single line, the return would be slightly higher than 3-line with exactly the same multipliers. The reason why 5/10 line returns are higher are the better multipliers on quads/SF/Royal.

But unfortunately for single line games, they are deceiving as hell, because they often offer lower multipliers than the 3 line games for non-quad or better payouts!

Videopoker.com lets you play single line Ultimate X with BPD, but instead of the flush being 11X as in 3-line, it's 10X! This is likely what it is on a Five Star Poker game as well.

So that leads to a multiplier independent return of 98.77% via JB's analyzer.
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October 22nd, 2015 at 10:08:17 AM permalink
Iím the guy who wrote that 17 page academic paper you mention. I recently used that methodology to verify ALL the IGT multi-line returns listed by The Wizard of Odds (out to the 6 digits listed by the Wizard). Using the multipliers for single line games used by VideoPoker.com, I computed the following returns, including for BPD. The table below gives the game, pay table, return, and multipliers (ordered the same way as the wizardís):

Jacks or Better 8/6 0.985730379 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Jacks or Better 8/5 0.972583465 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Jacks or Better 7/5 0.961122353 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Jacks or Better 6/5 0.949665302 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Bonus Poker 7/5 0.980913703 3 3 3 3 3 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Bonus Poker 6/5 0.969440023 3 3 3 3 3 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Bonus Poker Deluxe 8/6 0.98823501 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Bonus Poker Deluxe 8/5 0.974692508 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Bonus Poker Deluxe 7/5 0.963247289 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Bonus Poker Deluxe 6/5 0.951808095 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Bonus 9/6/5 0.981117523 2 2 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Bonus 10/6/4 0.977620541 2 2 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Bonus 9/6/4 0.966230347 2 2 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Bonus 9/5/4 0.952713913 2 2 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Double Bonus 9/6 0.992909183 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Double Bonus 9/5 0.97931429 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Double Bonus 8/5 0.968022718 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Double Bonus 7/5 0.956805032 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Deuces Wild 25/15/9/4/4/3 0.990473225 2 2 2 3 11 7 5 5 3 2 1
Deuces Wild 20/12/10/4/4/3 0.978770043 2 2 2 3 11 7 5 5 3 2 1
Deuces Wild 25/16/13/4/3/2 0.968076795 2 2 2 3 11 7 5 5 3 2 1
Deuces Wild 20/10/8/4/4/3 0.96212958 2 2 2 3 11 7 5 5 3 2 1
Joker Poker 50-17-7-6-5 0.982380313 2 2 2 2 2 6 6 5 4 3 2 1
Joker Poker 50-16-7-6-5 0.973786886 2 2 2 2 2 6 6 5 4 3 2 1
Joker Poker 50/15/7/6/5 0.965198863 2 2 2 2 2 6 6 5 4 3 2 1
Joker Poker 40/20/5/4/3 0.956637252 2 2 2 2 2 6 6 5 4 3 2 1

If you have other multipliers, please advise. I donít recall seeing any single-line, Ultimate-X games in real casinos.
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October 22nd, 2015 at 10:13:04 AM permalink
Quote: GaryJKoehler

Iím the guy who wrote that 17 page academic paper you mention. I recently used that methodology to verify ALL the IGT multi-line returns listed by The Wizard of Odds (out to the 6 digits listed by the Wizard). Using the multipliers for single line games used by VideoPoker.com, I computed the following returns, including for BPD. The table below gives the game, pay table, return, and multipliers (ordered the same way as the wizardís):

Jacks or Better 8/6 0.985730379 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Jacks or Better 8/5 0.972583465 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Jacks or Better 7/5 0.961122353 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Jacks or Better 6/5 0.949665302 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Bonus Poker 7/5 0.980913703 3 3 3 3 3 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Bonus Poker 6/5 0.969440023 3 3 3 3 3 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Bonus Poker Deluxe 8/6 0.98823501 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Bonus Poker Deluxe 8/5 0.974692508 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Bonus Poker Deluxe 7/5 0.963247289 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Bonus Poker Deluxe 6/5 0.951808095 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Bonus 9/6/5 0.981117523 2 2 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Bonus 10/6/4 0.977620541 2 2 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Bonus 9/6/4 0.966230347 2 2 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Bonus 9/5/4 0.952713913 2 2 2 2 2 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Double Bonus 9/6 0.992909183 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Double Bonus 9/5 0.97931429 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Double Bonus 8/5 0.968022718 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Double Double Bonus 7/5 0.956805032 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 12 10 7 4 3 2 1
Deuces Wild 25/15/9/4/4/3 0.990473225 2 2 2 3 11 7 5 5 3 2 1
Deuces Wild 20/12/10/4/4/3 0.978770043 2 2 2 3 11 7 5 5 3 2 1
Deuces Wild 25/16/13/4/3/2 0.968076795 2 2 2 3 11 7 5 5 3 2 1
Deuces Wild 20/10/8/4/4/3 0.96212958 2 2 2 3 11 7 5 5 3 2 1
Joker Poker 50-17-7-6-5 0.982380313 2 2 2 2 2 6 6 5 4 3 2 1
Joker Poker 50-16-7-6-5 0.973786886 2 2 2 2 2 6 6 5 4 3 2 1
Joker Poker 50/15/7/6/5 0.965198863 2 2 2 2 2 6 6 5 4 3 2 1
Joker Poker 40/20/5/4/3 0.956637252 2 2 2 2 2 6 6 5 4 3 2 1

If you have other multipliers, please advise. I donít recall seeing any single-line, Ultimate-X games in real casinos.

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