Couple questions for you math guys.

I play FPDW primarily at Stations Casinos in LV. These are only available in 25c. At 50c & $1 full pay Dbl Dbl and Dbl bonus is available. Also at 25c they have Loose Deuce, which I have no idea what the payback % is.

Questions for the math guys:

1. At 1 point per $12 play, and 1k pts per dollar, what is the value of the stations points in % ?

2. I can play 1000 hph at DW. probably only 800 hph at the others until I am sure I know them perfectly. Will 50c or $1 be an higher hourly than 25c FPDW? If so how much difference in expectation? I don't have the BR to play 50c-$1, and the variance feels brutal to a short BR. But I don't mind taking shots sometimes.

3. I know Loose Deuce has higher variance, but what is the payback %? I'd like to hit some $625 quad 2's but it seems you go through $100 bills a lot faster.

4. Anyone know of any apps out there for Loose Deuce strategy and hand analyzer for custom hands?

Quote: Bigfshead

I play FPDW primarily at Stations Casinos in LV. These are only available in 25c. At 50c & $1 full pay Dbl Dbl and Dbl bonus is available. Also at 25c they have Loose Deuce, which I have no idea what the payback % is.

Questions for the math guys:

1. At 1 point per $12 play, and 1k pts per dollar, what is the value of the stations points in % ?

2. I can play 1000 hph at DW. probably only 800 hph at the others until I am sure I know them perfectly. Will 50c or $1 be an higher hourly than 25c FPDW? If so how much difference in expectation? I don't have the BR to play 50c-$1, and the variance feels brutal to a short BR. But I don't mind taking shots sometimes.

3. I know Loose Deuce has higher variance, but what is the payback %? I'd like to hit some $625 quad 2's but it seems you go through $100 bills a lot faster.

4. Anyone know of any apps out there for Loose Deuce strategy and hand analyzer for custom hands?

Most likely the Loose Deuces you are looking at are 100.15% as that's what vpFREE2.com has listed for the Stations casinos. There are various Loose Deuce paytables. The strongest pays 16 for 5K and 10 for the SF. The second strongest pays 15 for the 5K and 10 for the SF. The 100.15% game pays 15 for the 5K and 8 for the SF.

At 1 point for $12 and $1 for 1000 points the card ain't worth Jackall.

If you're looking to maximize base return with no concern to other factors like mailers, just stick with FPDW.

At $12 a point the value is an insignificant 0.008333%. But are you sure you have this right? I thought you got 1 point per $4 coin in since you get a 3X daily multiplier. That would make it 0.025% coin in (still not good).

http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/boulder-station-hotel-casino/club

You could play 10/7 DB for dollars (100.17% max) if you want to up your variance, but even with perfect play your expected hourly would still be worse than deuces.

Loose deuces is only 100.15%, not worth the swing, imo. 10/6 DDB is even lower at 100.07%.

To find strategies for other games like loose deuces, use this.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/calculator/

15/8 loose deuces:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-84-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-2-d-2-d-3-d-4-d-8-d-15-d-25-d-500-d-800/

Quote: Bigfshead

4. Anyone know of any apps out there for Loose Deuce strategy and hand analyzer for custom hands?

Wolf Video Poker which you can buy online for about $40.

Quote: mickeycrimm

The strongest pays 16 for 5K and 10 for the SF. The second strongest pays 15 for the 5K and 10 for the SF. The 100.15% game pays 15 for the 5K and 8 for the SF.

Mickey, were you in Laughlin when Bell and Edgewater had the 17/10 Loose Deuces in some of the bartops? They were there for a few years.

Quote: DRich

Mickey, were you in Laughlin when Bell and Edgewater had the 17/10 Loose Deuces in some of the bartops? They were there for a few years.

I remember the ones in the Edgewater bartops at the end of the bar. And when Don Laughlin opened the bowling alley in the Riverside there were 17/10 Loose Deuces in the bowling alley bar. And from your post I just remembered that the strongest payscale is 17/10.

Quote: tringlomane

If you're looking to maximize base return with no concern to other factors like mailers, just stick with FPDW.

At $12 a point the value is an insignificant 0.008333%. But are you sure you have this right? I thought you got 1 point per $4 coin in since you get a 3X daily multiplier. That would make it 0.025% coin in (still not good).

http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/boulder-station-hotel-casino/club

You could play 10/7 DB for dollars (100.17% max) if you want to up your variance, but even with perfect play your expected hourly would still be worse than deuces.

Loose deuces is only 100.15%, not worth the swing, imo. 10/6 DDB is even lower at 100.07%.

To find strategies for other games like loose deuces, use this.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/calculator/

15/8 loose deuces:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-84-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-2-d-2-d-3-d-4-d-8-d-15-d-25-d-500-d-800/

Thanks tring for your response.

Yeah I forgot about the daily multipliers. 3x always, and 4x-10x at various times.

So as I was thinking, the $1 10/7 DB would be less hourly ev than 25c fpdw? Wow. Well, I guess I'll stick to fpdw at over 1k hph. Not much of a supplement to work, but something at least. .

Quote: Bigfshead

Thanks tring for your response.

Yeah I forgot about the daily multipliers. 3x always, and 4x-10x at various times.

So as I was thinking, the $1 10/7 DB would be less hourly ev than 25c fpdw? Wow. Well, I guess I'll stick to fpdw at over 1k hph. Not much of a supplement to work, but something at least. .

Well if you lump in comps, I guess it's close.

10/7 DB is a 0.195% advantage after comps

FPDW is a 0.785% advantage after comps.

But since you can get 4X as much coin in as FPDW, the advantage after comps is 0.78% of a quarter wager at 10/7 DB dollars.

FPDW is easier to play and has less variance though since you are playing quarters.

Yea I just want to get the highest hourly. I know I don't have the BR for $1. But I don't mind taking shots at it once in a while in hopes of building that BR too. I was fortunate today in hitting deuces twice in 983 hands on fpdw for a nice $550 total for the day.

Speaking of hitting big hands, what are the thoughts/beliefs on moving machines after a big hit? I've hit deuces twice in 10 mins once on fpdw. Obviously out of the norm. But while I know each hand dealt is independent of the previous, I still wonder if we should move shortly after a big hit.

Based on Nevada law (and many other states), it's not supposed to matter. But if it makes you feel better while playing, nothing wrong with moving either.

Quote: Bigfshead

I still wonder if we should move shortly after a big hit.

WAIT for any associated hand pays, photography or champagne then do whatever you want. It makes no difference at all to future pays on that machine or the machine to which you move.

Quote: Bigfshead

Yea I just want to get the highest hourly. I know I don't have the BR for $1. But I don't mind taking shots at it once in a while in hopes of building that BR too. I was fortunate today in hitting deuces twice in 983 hands on fpdw for a nice $550 total for the day.

Speaking of hitting big hands, what are the thoughts/beliefs on moving machines after a big hit? I've hit deuces twice in 10 mins once on fpdw. Obviously out of the norm. But while I know each hand dealt is independent of the previous, I still wonder if we should move shortly after a big hit.

Not if you want the highest hourly you were talking about. Switching machine costs you extra hands.

I wouldn't count on building up your BR on 10/7. You might get lucky and pump it up with a few nice hits.