djatc
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August 4th, 2013 at 8:12:37 PM permalink
I'm relatively new to bonus chasing and playing promos, anybody have any good stories of great plays in the past? Of course preferably ones that ended so people don't burn it out now lol.
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August 4th, 2013 at 9:36:40 PM permalink
Paging Mickey Crimm . . .
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August 5th, 2013 at 7:27:18 AM permalink
I just tried to dig up on old copy of the top 40 from Lodestone's Las Vegas, but the Wayback Machine only goes back to around 1999, by which time the site was subscription-only.

In the distant past, i.e., the 20th century, slot clubs were primitive. Generally, all machines were classified equally, so there was no penalty for playing video poker rather than slots. Cashback percentages could be huge, factoring in multiplier days. As I recall, several of the top Vegas strip casinos paid 0.67%, with the possibility of double or triple point invitations. Desert Inn paid 1%, and maybe also Golden Nugget downtown. 9/6 Jacks was available nearly everywhere.

Many slot clubs were comps-only, which could be lucrative, but required some creativity.

Games were commonly enhanced to create super full-pay versions, such as Joker Wild 4700, or Deuces Wild with a progressive. Double Bonus was offered with a 500-coin straight flush, and some versions of All American paid 250 for quads.

Including benefits, the player edge routinely exceeded 2%, enabling the player to break even without hitting any royals, assuming non-progressives. Royals were considered "gravy," as were drawings, which have always been popular promotions.

Probably the major drawbacks of the olden days were slow machines, and the inconvenient use of coins.

Gradually, TITO (ticket-in ticket-out) was implemented, and multi-line games became available, allowing players to increase their coin-in with reduced volatility. Edges were less spectacular, but overall profits could be equivalent or better.
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August 6th, 2013 at 12:12:53 AM permalink
Flush Attack

Multi-line fpdw

$1 and $5 fpdw
djatc
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August 6th, 2013 at 4:00:23 PM permalink
Quote: JIMMYFOCKER

Flush Attack

Multi-line fpdw

$1 and $5 fpdw



I heard about flush attack. Sounds pretty funny how most APs would just wait for the flush attack mode and hammer away trying to hit flushes.

I still see armies of people playing FPDW for quarters. Myself included. I guess we missed the good ol days.
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August 6th, 2013 at 4:53:03 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

I heard about flush attack. Sounds pretty funny how most APs would just wait for the flush attack mode and hammer away trying to hit flushes.

I still see armies of people playing FPDW for quarters. Myself included. I guess we missed the good ol days.



I worked Flush Attack for a lot of years. I learned about the game from an article Doug Reul published in Video Poker Times. I started out on the linked banks in Laughlin. Many places unlinked the machines because of people jumping the light. This created a great opportunity for me. I worked them at Lake Tahoe (Caesars, Bill's, Harrah's, Lakeside). Also worked them at the Red Lion in Elko, and the Carson Valley Inn in Minden. Also the Reno Hilton and Boomtown in Verdi. The full pay version was 8/5 Double Bonus Poker with every 4th flush paying 125 coins, 101.8%. The second best payscale was 7/5, 100.79%.

I rarely played straight through on these machines. The trick to the game was sweeping the machines out and picking up the 5 coin flushes the prior players made before walking away. I used Doug Reul's Flush 50 strategy. With the first three flushes paying 25 coins and the 4th flush paying 125 coins then the average value of the flush is 50 coins, hence Flush 50.

I'll use the Red Lion in Elko as the example. There were 8 unlinked 7/5 Flush Attacks there and two across the street at Gold Country. I would walk in very early in the morning. The first thing I did was check to see if anyone left a machine in Flush Attack mode. On those plays where I had to make only one flush my money was at 135%. If no lights were on then I would sit down on the first machine and play until I collected the 125 coin flush, then cash out, jump over to the next machine and play until I collected the 125 coin flush, then cashout and move to the next machine. And so on until I swept out all 8 machines.

I was using the OPM (other people's money) principle. Ploppie's generally would put a $20 bill in the machine, play until they ran out of credits, then walk away. But how many flushes did they make before they walked away? I knew when I sat down on a machine that I was going to have to make either 2, 3, or 4 flushes to collect the bonus flush. On plays where I had to make all 4 flushes my money was at 100.79%. On plays where I had to make only 3 flushes my money was at 103.79%. And on plays where I had to make only 2 flushes my money was at 109.79%. I kept a pocket notebook and wrote down how many flushes I made on each play to monitor where I was at overall percentagewise. I averaged 2.9 flushes per play in Elko which put my overall expectation at 104%.

Once I swept out a bank of Flush Attacks I went on about my business, and letting the machines get action....but came back a few hours later and repeated the process. So I would sweep the bank out 3 and 4 times a day. The great thing about playing Flush Attacks this way was you were making money on your way to hitting a royal. The royal flush and straight flush represented 2.5% of the payback. So I had 1.5% the best of it just up through the 4 Aces (which had a 4500 game cycle.)
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August 7th, 2013 at 9:54:02 AM permalink
Crimm, I and others did the same exact thing with Flush Attack.

The bank of machines in Laughlin were the largest banks of Flush Attacks in the world.
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August 7th, 2013 at 11:11:17 AM permalink
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Crimm, I and others did the same exact thing with Flush Attack. The bank of machines in Laughlin were the largest banks of Flush Attacks in the world.



Yes, there was an 18 machine linked bank and an 8 machine linked bank in the Riverside. A 14 machine linked bank in the Flamingo. A ten machine linked bank in the Pioneer. A 4 machine linked bank in the Ramada. And a ten machine linked bank in the River Palms.
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August 7th, 2013 at 11:29:46 AM permalink
The Mountain Bar at Harvey's North Shore Lake Tahoe was a strong play. It was a linked bank of dollar 6/5 Bonus Poker with 1% meters running on the 4 Aces, Small Quads, and Generic Quads. It was a little horseshoe bar with ten machines. My playable numbers were $230 on the generic quads, $500 on the small quads, and $1200 on the 4 Aces. There were some sharp gamblers in Tahoe so it was a quad race whenever a playable number developed. You had to buy racks of tokes from the bartender and hand feed but the machines held credits. One day I walked in and the 4 Aces was at $1400. There was one machine open so I jumped in. The 4 Aces didn't come off easy. I finally hit them at $2400. But I came in third on the money. During the race one player hit two royals and another player hit a royal.
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August 8th, 2013 at 11:14:41 PM permalink
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The Mountain Bar at Harvey's North Shore Lake Tahoe was a strong play. It was a linked bank of dollar 6/5 Bonus Poker with 1% meters running on the 4 Aces, Small Quads, and Generic Quads. It was a little horseshoe bar with ten machines. My playable numbers were $230 on the generic quads, $500 on the small quads, and $1200 on the 4 Aces. There were some sharp gamblers in Tahoe so it was a quad race whenever a playable number developed. You had to buy racks of tokes from the bartender and hand feed but the machines held credits. One day I walked in and the 4 Aces was at $1400. There was one machine open so I jumped in. The 4 Aces didn't come off easy. I finally hit them at $2400. But I came in third on the money. During the race one player hit two royals and another player hit a royal.

Very nice play

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