VP Double-up feature locations?
Any help is appreciated!
Quote: tringlomaneAlso, don't play at Indian casinos/racinos in Alabama unless you are okay with playing non-randomly dealt video poker machines and realize the paytable means nothing in that state.
In that case, a double-up giving you a fifty-fifty chance and no house edge would be an improvement, no?
Quote: NareedIn that case, a double-up giving you a fifty-fifty chance and no house edge would be an improvement, no?
Yeah good point. But of course I sorta forgot that "doubling up" would be illegal in Alabama anyway. He probably played in MS, LA, IL, IN, MO, NC, or AR instead. I know a few machines in Tunica, MS have the "double up" still on.
Edit: Or Nevada...dammit. lol
If I'm able to find one this weekend when I'm there I'll share what I found.
Quote: NareedOh, well, for starters try Vpfree2. It likely won't list double-up features, but it should list VP games. I think they also run a message board there.
Yeah, VPFree2 is a good place to start to find good video poker, but they definitely don't list double ups. The VPFree forum (a Yahoo! group) could be of possible help since many of them are in Vegas, but in my experience, there usually are just some game kings that randomly have them turned on, and it's sometimes a bit hard to find them next to each other. Also in my experience, the older the machine looks, the more likely you can "double up" on it.
Quote: Stoked27Anyone know of any VP machines with the high-card double up feature near Montgomery, Al? I don't visit casinos often, but when I'm near one I like to play the double down feature. I just started looking on the forum and learned that there was a scam that took place involving the software, so I'm curious if the game even exists anymore. I haven't played one in maybe 6-7 years, so forgive me if that's an outdated question.
Any help is appreciated!
Last year I saw a lot of VP machines in Biloxi with the high card double up feature.
Quote: Stoked27Anyone know of any VP machines with the high-card double up feature near Montgomery, Al? I don't visit casinos often, but when I'm near one I like to play the double down feature. I just started looking on the forum and learned that there was a scam that took place involving the software, so I'm curious if the game even exists anymore. I haven't played one in maybe 6-7 years, so forgive me if that's an outdated question.
Any help is appreciated!
Hard Rock Tampa - All NO
Victory Casino Cruises Port Canaveral - Some YES.
I always looked at doubling up as the same as free odds in Craps. Any win of 1 to 5x my bet, I usually would attempt doubling twice.
Quote: FroggerIs the Double-Up feature really a coin flip, even odds or does the casino have an edge over the player?
Everything I've heard is the Bally/Game King Machines are fair odds. If you are playing in a Video Lottery Terminal state, then I've heard it does not have to be fair odds.
Quote: cclub79Everything I've heard is the Bally/Game King Machines are fair odds. If you are playing in a Video Lottery Terminal state, then I've heard it does not have to be fair odds.
Yeah, any state that offers randomly dealt video poker, that I am aware of, will offer double-up with no house edge if they bother to offer it.
Quote: supermaxhdI have played double up at Horseshoe Southern Indiana on their 9/6 JOB $1 credit and their $1 credit progressive bank as well as some of their $5 games. On the $1 game I stop when I win 160 with an offer to go to 320. Horseshoe Cincinnati I haven't found it on any of the games I have played.
Every time?
Quote: NareedIn that case, a double-up giving you a fifty-fifty chance and no house edge would be an improvement, no?
No, I don't believe that it would, especially on a "bingo/lottery" game. For one thing, if the base game is not fairly dealt, then I would not assume that any other feature is, including Double-Up (if it is even offered!).
Edit/Addition: Conversely, if the base game is fair, then the Double-Up feature using cards would be as well.
Also, playing the Double-Up feature on a fair game does not change the overall return. There have been some false assumptions that playing this feature gives you an average return of that of the base game and 100% for the feature. That might be true if you could make a Double-Up bet equal to your initial bet and if you could make it after every initial bet, not just when you win. Due to the facts that you may only bet after a win and that if you bet it must be the full amount of the win, this feature neither increases nor decreases the overall return, regardless of whether the base game is under or over 100%. In fact, it multiplies it.
(Return With Feature) = (Base Return) X (Feature Return) = (Base Return) X (100%) = (Base Return)
Quote: Stoked27Anyone know of any VP machines with the high-card double up feature near Montgomery, Al?
As for the initial question - I am unfamiliar with the games offered near there.
Keep in mind that you may not know if the feature is turned on until you have placed a wager and won. Per the advice of other posters, I would find a game that you like and/or with a better return, and ask to have the feature activated before I started searching. Best of luck in both your search and your play!
Quote: NareedI'm so timid with these things. I play only 1 for one "wins" and only once.
Fortune favors the bold: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPmZ_jrZS_I
FunnyQuote: JBFortune favors the bold: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPmZ_jrZS_I
No complaints here though. I went in with $60 and walked out with $200.36 total. The $2 machine I used was a 12/9 payout.
Quote: camaplNo, I don't believe that it would, especially on a "bingo/lottery" game. For one thing, if the base game is not fairly dealt, then I would not assume that any other feature is, including Double-Up (if it is even offered!).
Edit/Addition: Conversely, if the base game is fair, then the Double-Up feature using cards would be as well.
Also, playing the Double-Up feature on a fair game does not change the overall return. There have been some false assumptions that playing this feature gives you an average return of that of the base game and 100% for the feature. That might be true if you could make a Double-Up bet equal to your initial bet and if you could make it after every initial bet, not just when you win. Due to the facts that you may only bet after a win and that if you bet it must be the full amount of the win, this feature neither increases nor decreases the overall return, regardless of whether the base game is under or over 100%. In fact, it multiplies it.
(Return With Feature) = (Base Return) X (Feature Return) = (Base Return) X (100%) = (Base Return)
I consider them to be two separate choices and two separate bets. I've mentioned the Marylandlive casino free games claiming almost 95% and there is no way that can be true. I did notice the game said RTP and not payback percent, so maybe this is where the difference lies. I just can't believe the same games on myliveonlinecasino.com are better than the casinos because not once has it even seemed better than my wildest memory. There must be some way these online casinos can word it to make the games appear better by misleading people.
Quote: Stoked27Well, I went to Creek Casino at Montgomery and they only had about 8 VP machines. $2, $5, and $25 minimum bets. None were standard five card draw Jacks or Better. They were all either Texas Hold 'em or "Press It Up" which was similar to Texas Hold 'em. No double up (high card) features. I asked a slot tech who didn't speak English well about double up and she got two more slot techs to translate... All three of them didn't know what 5-card draw VP or double up meant. They have only seen the style that's in their casino.
No complaints here though. I went in with $60 and walked out with $200.36 total. The $2 machine I used was a 12/9 payout.
Glad you won, but I guess you missed this post I made:
Quote: tringlomaneYeah good point. But of course I sorta forgot that "doubling up" would be illegal in Alabama anyway. He probably played in MS, LA, IL, IN, MO, NC, or AR instead. I know a few machines in Tunica, MS have the "double up" still on.
Edit: Or Nevada...dammit. lol
The only game allowed in Alabama is Class II gaming (aka electronic bingo). Video Poker and video slot machines are just ways to display the result of the bingo game.
Unless a casino allows the double up to count towards pts earned, feature seldom worth the effort.Quote: Stoked27Yea, I did miss that. It was fun none-the-less.
