etr102
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March 5th, 2013 at 6:35:48 PM permalink
First of all, I'm a Video Poker noob.

I can't find any 9/6 Jacks Or Better machines at my home casino (Caesar's Windsor), the best I can find is 8/5 Jacks Or Better.

These machines have a Double Up feature. I assume you guys all know about the 'Double Up' feature but for those who don't, here is an example of how it works. If your hand is 2-pair, you win 10 credits (assuming 5 credit wager) and the game asks if you want to double up. If you chose yes, 5 cards are dealt face down. The first card is flipped face up and is the dealer's. The player then picks one of the other 4 cards. If the player's card is higher than the dealer, his win is doubled. If the cars the player's card is lower than the dealer, he loses. The player can keep doubling up an unlimited amount of times until he/she inevitably loses. If you Double up 3 times (and win), your 10 credit win turns into an 80 credit win. You can double up on any winning hand as far as I know.

Anyway, my question to you guys, is the Double Up feature on a video poker terminal worthwhile? Does it increase or decrease the overall vig on the game? Or is it completely neutral?

Is an 8/5 machine even worth my time? Or should I play something else until I find a 9/6 machine?
whatme
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March 5th, 2013 at 6:46:41 PM permalink
You should check out vpfree2.com http://www.vpfree2.com/casinos/by-region/canada.html

As for the double up I believe it's completely neutral.
CrystalMath
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March 5th, 2013 at 6:50:06 PM permalink
Quote: whatme

You should check out vpfree2.com http://www.vpfree2.com/casinos/by-region/canada.html

As for the double up I believe it's completely neutral.



Yes, the double up is 50/50. The only thing it does is increase the volatility, which is a bankroll killer.
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Ibeatyouraces
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March 5th, 2013 at 7:26:21 PM permalink
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tringlomane
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March 5th, 2013 at 7:40:00 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

Yes, the double up is 50/50. The only thing it does is increase the volatility, which is a bankroll killer.



Yep. So if you like a swingier game than JoB, it's okay to occasionally play the feature since it costs nothing, but if you play it too much (and repetitively), you will either win big or go home quick.
rudeboyoi
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March 5th, 2013 at 8:15:40 PM permalink
id say its better playing the neutral double-up feature so u spend less time playing the base game itself.
Mission146
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March 5th, 2013 at 8:38:14 PM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

id say its better playing the neutral double-up feature so u spend less time playing the base game itself.



I tend to agree with this. I would suggest that the double-up bet is most comparable to the Odds Bet in Craps, even though the concept is somewhat different because if you are playing the Double-Up bet, you have already won.

In terms of whether or not it is a good bet, if you are playing VP at a machine with a -ER, then you would technically want to make the Double-Up bet until the machine no longer allows you to do so. I play VP so rarely that I could be wrong about this, but I believe that I once won five Double-Ups in a row at which point I was forced to take the win. If you are playing VP at a paytable such that you are at +ER, or if you are at +ER once the comps/points for FP get factored in, (and I don't know if points are earned on that bet, but doubt it) then you would not want to play the Double-Up bet as a 100% ER actually hurts your overall ER on all of your play.

You're basically running the Reverse Marty on a coin toss, so I would say the amount of the Base Game win is a practical consideration when deciding whether or not to double-up. For example, maybe you would do so on a pair of Jacks, but not on a Straight Flush.

I believe when I won those five Double-Ups in a row, I was approaching the end of the $$$ that I had in the machine and was going for a quick recovery. Generally speaking, I usually try to Double-Up twice on a Pair, once on Two Pair, and then I just keep the win and go to the next hand any other time. Again, I play VP very rarely, though, because I don't personally care for the game.
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coilman
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March 5th, 2013 at 9:21:41 PM permalink
Years ago I was playing poker at Caesars Windsor when a lady playing the bank of machines over from me hit 4 Aces with a kicker for $2000...when she hit that up popped the double up feature...this machine wasnt offering this feature on other winning hands so the lady wasn't sure what it was and pushed the YES button

once it dealt out the other hand she realized she did something she surely didnt want to do....called over a slots person who called in a supervisor...end of the story she was told that she had to play it out no turning back

she lost
tringlomane
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March 5th, 2013 at 9:30:15 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I tend to agree with this. I would suggest that the double-up bet is most comparable to the Odds Bet in Craps, even though the concept is somewhat different because if you are playing the Double-Up bet, you have already won.

In terms of whether or not it is a good bet, if you are playing VP at a machine with a -ER, then you would technically want to make the Double-Up bet until the machine no longer allows you to do so. I play VP so rarely that I could be wrong about this, but I believe that I once won five Double-Ups in a row at which point I was forced to take the win.



Technically yeah, you should keep doubling to keep your loss rate down, but in reality this eventually becomes futile because it will destroy your bankroll way too often for any "normal" gambler. Crystal Math said most IGT machines could allow unlimited double ups until you would reach a double up chance that would exceed 20,000 credits (5 royal flushes worth), but it can be configured to a lower cap and/or limited attempts.
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/video-poker/8849-disagreement-with-friend/3/#post130541

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djatc
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March 5th, 2013 at 9:45:25 PM permalink
Adding variance if you're playing on a bankroll doesn't seem to be the best idea. If you're playing recreationally it could be fun.

8/5 machines might be worth it if you're playing a progressive.... even then the progressive has to be pretty damn high to make it worth your while.
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