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I'm gonna need to spend some time on me own first though, clear my head.  I'm gonna take this down the coast, maybe spend some time in Italy, drive it to Greece.  Sometimes a man needs to go to sea".

- Rick Ford ( Jason Statham ) SPY (with Melissa McCarthy)


Last year I was able to take a couple of deep discount Casino cruises, and I wondered if the offers would dissipate rapidly with Covid more or less in the rear view mirror.  Well the offers haven't stopped quite yet, at least NOT before I booked a slew of them for this year.

It is also nice to finally be in the "right place at the right time" for a change.  Mrs Q just retired so we finally have the freedom to do what we want, WHEN we want to.

So here we go.....

PART 1 - SWEDEN, LATVIA, GERMANY, and NORWAY ( 31 Days )

Most of our offers were for a free interior cabin, but because we could afford it, we also mostly paid for upgrades to a balcony ( or in Cruise Lingo, a "VERANDAH" ).  For a couple of cruises, a great deal wasn't available and we paid varying amounts for them. And as you may have guessed, the Offers do NOT cover taxes and port fees and gratuities ( $ 16 pp per day ).

And because we're not animals, we generally get an internet package.  And Mrs Q visits the Spa, and spends a bit more time in the Ship's casino than I would like her to, playing more per spin than I would like her to, and we may take one or two excursions booked through the ship, so don't worry - - we're not going to put the cruise ship industry out of business.

Last year when I did a couple of cruises with my brother, we were much further on the frugal side of the spectrum.  Way further over. A time and place for everything, I suppose.

Ship Casino

Surprisingly, the ship's casino was rarely crowded.  So generally no issue walking in, playing the best of the tight Video Poker they offered ( 6/5 Spin Bonus Poker ) on one of the 4 machines that had it, getting a seat at FUN 21, and getting a free drink "while actively playing in the casino".

The Casino also had CRAPS, ROULETTE, lots and lots of SLOT machines, and some other misc TABLE GAMES.

The drink service was excellent.  One of the waitresses was happy to bring me a double even though technically that kind of drink wasn't included in our offer.  And I was happy to tip her generously. I'm not sure why it makes any difference if you get a double when you can order up to 15 drinks per day (I didn't).

Mrs Q and I both ended up losers in the casino.  More than I had hoped for, less than we can afford.  Oh well.


- Maybe next time.



Entertainment

We attended and enjoyed the evening shows in the big theater, some singers, some classically trained dancers, and a comic/singer gentleman a couple of nights. I thought he was hilarious but he wasn't everyone's cup of tea.

One evening, one of the performers wasn't feeling well so they brought out the Cruise Director to do a slideshow on the history of this cruise line, which is a presentation they normally do as "filler" in the day time.  She was a good sport about it, but I saw lots and lots and lots of people get up and leave during it.  So I am a bit surprised they don't have a more solid contingency plan.  Oh well.

The best show imho was when they combined the "dueling piano" couple paired up with the classical dancers. There were some repeat shows because we did back to back cruises. We saw the shows we liked the most a second time.

Here's a different group:



Dining Room

The food was consistently very good.  Occasionally, the service would slow down noticeably between courses.  Once again, oh well, no big deal.

On the middle 14 day cruise, my brother and his wife came along (thank to Mrs Q and me getting the same offer and booking separately).  My brother's wife is in the best shape of the 4 of us, and she somewhat surprisingly ate 2 entrees every night.  You go girl !

Ooooops

I had booked so many cruises, or I am simply inching towards senility, that I had forgotten that the offer we booked with had $ 350 freeplay for each cruise segment. Aaaarrrggghhh. We were able to get that on the last cruise.

It would be nice if THEIR computer system remembered that and they just gave it to you. But no, it doesn't. You have to ask for it. Caveat Emptor.

What's Next

More cruises: Alaska, Japan, Australia, New Zealand.

Pro Tip

AARP sells cruise line gift cards at a 10 % discount.

Some More Misc Pix


- This was a long day. 2 Hour train ride there, 8 hours in Berlin, 2+ hour train ride back.





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August 14th, 2023 at 8:41:35 AM permalink

- We climbed the church clocktower to get this picture.



- We drove up for this view.
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August 14th, 2023 at 8:46:26 AM permalink
Very nice. I had two aunts who lived on the Statendam for over a year. They liked it and say the crew adopted them, calling them an Indonesian word they translated as Grandmother.
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August 14th, 2023 at 10:24:01 AM permalink
I don't know if there is a limit on # of pictures or size of pictures per post, or if my stooopid computer is being, well, stooopid again. Here are a few more pix and comments.


- This is the VASA. It sank on its maiden voyage in 1628. And was found and then raised in 1961, over 300 years later. It is 98 % original. Just Amazing.



- This was our cabin for one of the segments. We had to switch for each cruise, but the stewards moved our suitcases and anything on a hangar was moved and put into the new cabin's closet.


- A nice cabin feature was a pretty decent size flatscreen TV and free movies on demand. I could also watch BBC, FOX, and MSNBC segments.



- A thread I recall seeing was about the Gideons. There were Gideon Bibles in our cabins.



- Hey nice attention to detail. This women is dusting the leaves of one of the trees by the elevator.
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August 14th, 2023 at 10:27:06 AM permalink
I’m curious if you can describe what level of play generated the original offers.
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August 14th, 2023 at 10:28:23 AM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

I don't know if there is a limit on # of pictures or size of pictures per post, or if my stooopid computer is being, well, stooopid again. Here are a few more pix and comments.


- This is the VASA. It sank on its maiden voyage in 1628. And was found and then raised in 1961, over 300 years later. It is 98 % original. Just Amazing.



- This was our cabin for one of the segments. We had to switch for each cruise, but the stewards moved our suitcases and anything on a hangar was moved and put into the new cabin's closet.


- A nice cabin feature was a pretty decent size flatscreen TV and free movies on demand. I could also watch BBC, FOX, and MSNBC segments.



- A thread I recall seeing was about the Gideons. There were Gideon Bibles in our cabins.



- Hey nice attention to detail. This women is dusting the leaves of one of the trees by the elevator.
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August 14th, 2023 at 10:43:20 AM permalink
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I’m curious if you can describe what level of play generated the original offers.
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For us, I think about 1000 to 1500 points "earned" at $ 5 Video Poker coin-in per point was enough for us to start getting offers.

But as I mentioned, because there appears to be pent-up demand for Cruising now after Covid, this could change. Or may have already changed. I think our recent cruises were at or near capacity. And of course, nothing is written down.

We continue to get offers via e-mail. Some offers are better than others.

The FIRST offer I got was from my local casino a couple years ago, and I think the Cruise Line may have wanted to get gamblers on-board. It didn't have anything to do with Tier level at the land-based casino as far as I could tell.
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August 14th, 2023 at 11:24:26 AM permalink
I get lots of comp cruise offers from URCompef.com

I would guess one a week
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August 15th, 2023 at 12:46:05 PM permalink
A few more pix.....


- I leave the Bridge for a few minutes and look what happens.



- Pickleball was popular with this cruise's demographic. And the sports court was big enuff for 2 PB courts.



- Popular everywhere ? This was in Copenhagen.



- Yeah, I had never heard of them either. But we got home safely. No frills.
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August 21st, 2023 at 9:12:31 AM permalink
"Phase 2" starts today with the first of a couple of west coast cruises to Alaska. It was nice being home for a couple of weeks, but now we won't be back home for several months.



- We have the train ride booked in Skagway.

- And will probably get a local tour bus to the the Mendenhall Glacier in Juneau.

I plan to play Video Poker and Fun 21 in the ship's casino from time to time. And hopefully will at least maintain my current weight ( wish me luck on that one - hey, it's good to have a goal, right ? ).
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August 28th, 2023 at 4:25:58 PM permalink
The ship's internet blocks the WoV website, so to do an update I have to wait until I have good cell phone coverage and some free time.

Here goes:

Gambling

The FUN 21 is a $ 10 min bet here, and I lost in each of my first several sessions. BUT I have won in each of my last several sessions, and I am up a little bit.

This is a "premier" cruise and a subset of guests get to participate in promo's on most nights. Mrs Q and I get to. I was the first one drawn for this one a few days ago and was able to spin twice before landing on the BULL, which ends your turn. But each of my first 2 spins was for the max prize of $ 300, so that was a great way to start the cruise.



Excursions

Mrs Q booked a combo trip to the Mendenhall Glacier and Whale Watching through the ship at the last minute. We had some great views of salmon in the stream and then some whales out at sea a bit. This one was probably a juvenile:

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August 30th, 2023 at 4:24:35 AM permalink
nice!
i'm assuming carnivale ships?
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August 31st, 2023 at 2:23:12 PM permalink
Yes, this last one to Alaska and the next several ones are CARNIVAL. Europe was HOLLAND AMERICA.

Holland America is nicer, but Carnival does a better job with the Casino promo's.

Right now, we are back on dry land.

I will try to add some more pix later.
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August 31st, 2023 at 4:31:36 PM permalink
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Yes, this last one to Alaska and the next several ones are CARNIVAL. Europe was HOLLAND AMERICA.

Holland America is nicer, but Carnival does a better job with the Casino promo's.

Right now, we are back on dry land.

I will try to add some more pix later.
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Which cruiseline has the better casino?

Stereotype of HA is that the passengers are old, like avg age 70. True?
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August 31st, 2023 at 6:38:35 PM permalink
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Quote: JohnnyQ

Yes, this last one to Alaska and the next several ones are CARNIVAL. Europe was HOLLAND AMERICA.

Holland America is nicer, but Carnival does a better job with the Casino promo's.

Right now, we are back on dry land.

I will try to add some more pix later.
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Which cruiseline has the better casino?

Stereotype of HA is that the passengers are old, like avg age 70. True?
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My experience say Holland America tends to be the oldest crowd. If find it nice because the pools seem to be less crowded. On the other hand, I like to eat early so it is more crowded.
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August 31st, 2023 at 6:51:23 PM permalink
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Which cruiseline has the better casino?

Carnival has the better casino PROMOTIONS, as long as you get invited as a "Premier" cruise guest. AND I think you have to do some cruising/gambling with them FIRST to get invited. Some of our upcoming cruises are Premier cruises, and some aren't.

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Stereotype of HA is that the passengers are old, like avg age 70. True?

Well yes that is the stereotype. But probably a lot to do with that is the itinerary. For example, the cruises starting in Copenhagen are going to be an older crowd based on the length, cost of getting there, and of course the itinerary.

Other than that, if school is in session ( and its not spring break week ), I think all cruises will have an older group of folks. Having said that, Holland America does have more informational lectures and more "high brow" entertainment. HA does NOT have the flashy group of singers and dancers.

This is flashy CARNIVAL entertainment:



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Which cruiseline has the better casino?

Carnival has the better casino PROMOTIONS, as long as you get invited as a "Premier" cruise guest. AND I think you have to do some cruising/gambling with them FIRST to get invited. Some of our upcoming cruises are Premier cruises, and some aren't.
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I meant the slots in the ship casinos.
Which do you like better?

and Which ship line has better vp?
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August 31st, 2023 at 7:46:19 PM permalink
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I meant the slots in the ship casinos.
Which do you like better?

and Which ship line has better vp?

Oh, hahaha.

I am not much of a slot player.

As far as I can tell, they both have the same Bonus Poker 6-5 which is around 97 %, and that is the best one I have found ( with the help of this forum ). Not great payback, but decent for a casino with no competition in the middle of the ocean. I have seen worse on the Strip in Vegas.
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September 1st, 2023 at 6:59:08 AM permalink
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The ship's internet blocks the WoV website, so to do an update I have to wait until I have good cell phone coverage and some free time.

Here goes:

Gambling

The FUN 21 is a $ 10 min bet here, and I lost in each of my first several sessions. BUT I have won in each of my last several sessions, and I am up a little bit.

This is a "premier" cruise and a subset of guests get to participate in promo's on most nights. Mrs Q and I get to. I was the first one drawn for this one a few days ago and was able to spin twice before landing on the BULL, which ends your turn. But each of my first 2 spins was for the max prize of $ 300, so that was a great way to start the cruise.



Excursions

Mrs Q booked a combo trip to the Mendenhall Glacier and Whale Watching through the ship at the last minute. We had some great views of salmon in the stream and then some whales out at sea a bit. This one was probably a juvenile:


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Nice I loved the mendenhall glacier and whale watching tour we did in July with carnival.
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September 1st, 2023 at 2:58:27 PM permalink
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Nice I loved the mendenhall glacier and whale watching tour we did in July with carnival.

I assume JULY was too early for Salmon to be in the stream at the Mendenhall Glacier boardwalk ? ? ?

We saw Salmon in just about every stream we crossed during our entire trip. We loved that.





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September 1st, 2023 at 4:08:48 PM permalink
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We saw Salmon in just about every stream we crossed during our entire trip. We loved that.



I am not sentimental, I just want to see Salmon on the BBQ with an orange brown sugar glae.
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September 1st, 2023 at 4:32:30 PM permalink
We didn’t see salmon there but we went hiking in I believe Skagway and came across a stream with a ton of salmon.
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September 1st, 2023 at 4:35:17 PM permalink
Btw I’m amazed you can do 120 days of cruising. I just finished my 3rd cruise this summer (Norway, Iceland and Alaska) and my 6th in the last 12 months and I need a break. By half way through this last cruise to Iceland I reached my limit and was ready to be done with the cruise.

That all being said I met someone on my first cruise this summer who was on cruises covering 5-6 cruise lines for about 320 days last year. So I guess some people love it more than land lol.
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September 1st, 2023 at 4:46:12 PM permalink
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Btw I’m amazed you can do 120 days of cruising. I just finished my 3rd cruise this summer (Norway, Iceland and Alaska) and my 6th in the last 12 months and I need a break. By half way through this last cruise to Iceland I reached my limit and was ready to be done with the cruise.

Well, we haven't gotten through it yet ! And I think we will need to find positive ways to keep ourselves busy when we have so many days at sea later this year.

We just got back from Norway too, which we LOVED.
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September 1st, 2023 at 5:15:41 PM permalink
Thanks for the cruisin' report, JQ! Your AK itinerary was almost the exact itinerary Mrs. J and I went on last year. Glad you had a good time.

It looks like you had a sunny day in Juneau. Unfortunately, the weather was so bad for us (mostly fog, but some rain) that from the Mendenhall Visitor Center, we could barely make out the difference between glacier and mountain. But I guess it could have been worse... the scuttlebutt back onboard that evening was that some people who took the helicopter excursion to the glacier early in the morning had to spend the night on the glacier because once the fog rolled in, they grounded all helicopter flights until the next day!

So, August is the best time to see the salmon? We are itching to go back, but I'm not sure when we will be able to.

Also, I've got a question about Premier cruises. Could you venture a guess as to your EV for the Premier casino promos? I get Premier offers and "regular" offers. The regular offers often come with more freeplay than the Premier offers. I was just curious how much I should add to the Premier amount to see which is the better deal!

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But on the Carnival ships I have been on, 6-5 Bonus was only on the All Star machines, which are few and far between. The Game Kings, which are more prevalent have that crappy, two pair pays 1-for-1 Bonus. They reserve 6-5 for DDB. Ugh!
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September 1st, 2023 at 5:32:04 PM permalink
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That all being said I met someone on my first cruise this summer who was on cruises covering 5-6 cruise lines for about 320 days last year.
So I guess some people love it more than land lol.
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All free? (Just port fees/taxes?)
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September 2nd, 2023 at 3:56:28 AM permalink
He gambles a lot so he gets the cruises free. He said between port fees and taxes and the losses in the casino the 320 days cost him around $150,000 for the year.

I didn’t ask but judging by my discussions with him he is quite wealthy and most likely has a residence somewhere in the states.
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He gambles a lot so he gets the cruises free. He said between port fees and taxes and the losses in the casino the 320 days cost him around $150,000 for the year.

I didn’t ask but judging by my discussions with him he is quite wealthy and most likely has a residence somewhere in the states.
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My 2 land casinos (independent local and Caesars branded) each give 2 ncl free cruises a year so 4 total.
i was thinking of gambling at a few other casinos that give out ncl cruises, so maybe 12 free cruises total.
thats 1 free cruise a month. Just pay port fees/taxes + $20/day admin fee.

Just enjoy the cruise and not gamble much because payback on cruise ships is lower than land casinos.
Lack of playing in cruise ship won't affect your land casino rating.

Lets calculate costs if the 320 days was on a ncl ship:
for easy math, lets say each cruise is an avg of 10 days so 32 cruises.
320days x $20/day admin fee = 6400
port fees for my previous 10 day ncl cruise = $325 x 32 = $10.4k
total = $16800 + loses in ship casino

wow.. he lost alot in the ship casino! (avg loss per cruise = $4162)
so he's basically paying for his cruises
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Also, I've got a question about Premier cruises. Could you venture a guess as to your EV for the Premier casino promos? I get Premier offers and "regular" offers. The regular offers often come with more freeplay than the Premier offers. I was just curious how much I should add to the Premier amount to see which is the better deal!

Good question. There is usually a "Premiere" promo of some kind on most nights at 11 pm.

So first you have to get your name drawn out of ~ 100 - 200 players ( I am not sure how many Premier cruisers there are per cruise ). But you have to be present to win, and they draw a new name if someone is awol, and usually about 3 to 5 players get to play the game each night. The MOST I saw won was $ 875 by one lucky person.

Mrs Q and I each had our name drawn once on a 10 day cruise. I won $ 600 and Mrs Q only $ 50 in the Premier game.

This is taking a while to get to an answer for you, but I would guess that the EV is only in the ballpark of $ 50 to 100 per person. Our next cruise is also a Premier cruise, so I will have a little more data in a couple of weeks.
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September 2nd, 2023 at 7:43:55 AM permalink
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Lets calculate costs if the 320 days was on a ncl ship:
for easy math, lets say each cruise is an avg of 10 days so 32 cruises.
320days x $20/day admin fee = 6400
port fees for my previous 10 day ncl cruise = $325 x 32 = $10.4k
total = $16800 + loses in ship casino

wow.. he lost alot in the ship casino! (avg loss per cruise = $4162)
so he's basically paying for his cruises

Don't forget Gratuities which are typically an additional $ 16 per day per person. And we always tip the Cabin Steward and the Dining Room waiters a little bit extra.

For us, I think it is still very worth it to take these cruise offers. We are low rollers.
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September 2nd, 2023 at 8:16:43 AM permalink
Basically yup. Quick math is the cruises are costing him about $500 per day which I assume includes if he does shore excursions.
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Also, I've got a question about Premier cruises. Could you venture a guess as to your EV for the Premier casino promos? I get Premier offers and "regular" offers. The regular offers often come with more freeplay than the Premier offers. I was just curious how much I should add to the Premier amount to see which is the better deal!

Good question. There is usually a "Premiere" promo of some kind on most nights at 11 pm.

So first you have to get your name drawn out of ~ 100 - 200 players ( I am not sure how many Premier cruisers there are per cruise ). But you have to be present to win, and they draw a new name if someone is awol, and usually about 3 to 5 players get to play the game each night. The MOST I saw won was $ 875 by one lucky person.

Mrs Q and I each had our name drawn once on a 10 day cruise. I won $ 600 and Mrs Q only $ 50 in the Premier game.

This is taking a while to get to an answer for you, but I would guess that the EV is only in the ballpark of $ 50 to 100 per person. Our next cruise is also a Premier cruise, so I will have a little more data in a couple of weeks.
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The ev is lower than that I think. My last two cruises there were about 180-200 premier members per cruise. They gave out about $8000 on the 12 day and closer to $5000 on the 7 day. I have the value at about $36 per person per cruise averaging out the two cruises.

HOWEVER! My 9 day to Norway only had 13 premier cabins and less than 20 total premier cruisers so the value was huge! They gave away about $6000 so the ev was about $300 per person. I ran good and got called 3 different nights and won I think $1050 or something like that. The other two cruises I got called once and only won $50.
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September 2nd, 2023 at 8:23:09 AM permalink
I asked the host if there is any way to know how many premier cruisers there are when booking and I got a quick no.
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September 2nd, 2023 at 10:00:33 AM permalink
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I asked the host if there is any way to know how many premier cruisers there are when booking and I got a quick no.

Well that makes sense in a way, no one knows exactly until all the bookings have been made.

I think I have asked the Host how many Premier cruisers there were when the cruise had started, and IF I recall correctly, there were a couple hundred.
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September 2nd, 2023 at 11:51:17 AM permalink
Ya apparently that’s the standard amount on a boat of 2000 or so people so I guess 10%.
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September 2nd, 2023 at 12:08:28 PM permalink
How about the repositioning cruises ... LA to Australia or reverse . 25 days or so .
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September 2nd, 2023 at 4:25:01 PM permalink
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How about the repositioning cruises ... LA to Australia or reverse . 25 days or so .

I'm not sure that would be designated as a PREMIER cruise, but it might be.

And I happen to have one of those booked ( Seattle to Sydney ). I'd have to go check my booking. Stay tuned.
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September 3rd, 2023 at 9:33:45 PM permalink
update:

- Flying to Seattle tomorrow......

- ...for another cruise to Alaska on Tuesday.

- Then the BIG ONE after that, 30 days trans-pacific to the land of Joey's and Sheila's. Crikey !

Yeah, I am a little bit apprehensive about this leg of the adventure, being "out there" all that time without a home base. We'll see how it goes.

As I probably mentioned before, the challenge methinks will be staying occupied on all the "Fun Day at Sea's" and not being a ploppy in the casino day after day. I appreciate the fact that the WIZ published a table for FUN 21.

The first one is a PREMIERE cruise with the little promo's and benefits. So that's good. I don't think the second one is, but hope I am wrong.
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Is it not repetitive doing the Alaska cruise 3 times? Have fun on the 30 day, I couldn’t do it I’d lose my marbles.
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September 4th, 2023 at 6:21:28 AM permalink
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Is it not repetitive doing the Alaska cruise 3 times? Have fun on the 30 day, I couldn’t do it I’d lose my marbles.
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September 4th, 2023 at 6:49:43 AM permalink
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Is it not repetitive doing the Alaska cruise 3 times?

Sure, a little bit. But I think we'll manage !

The whale watching from the Cruise ship deck was excellent on the last cruise when we went through one particular area, and the Naturalist on board had told us the time range that day he thought we would have a good chance of seeing whales. And he was right. So I am looking forward to that.

And looking forward to renting E-bikes in Skagway again.

Also, Ketchikan is a good port with a very cool Salmon ladder in their main stream. Victoria BC is a neat place to walk around in. Those were not on the previous itinerary.

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September 4th, 2023 at 8:40:04 AM permalink
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Is it not repetitive doing the Alaska cruise 3 times? Have fun on the 30 day, I couldn’t do it I’d lose my marbles.
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My parents cruised so often that they had been to all the ports so many times that many cruises they wouldn't even get off the ship anymore. They were content sitting on their balcony reading during the day and going to dinner. For them it was more of a social thing to meet new people.
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September 4th, 2023 at 8:54:03 AM permalink
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They were content sitting on their balcony reading during the day and going to dinner. For them it was more of a social thing to meet new people.

Generally speaking, the passengers on a cruise ship are nice and friendly and interesting to talk with. We like to get a shared table in the dining room for breakfast and sometimes dinner to meet new people and to compare excursions, etc. It's entertaining.

On one of the European cruises, I had a sweatshirt with an outline of my home state on it. We bumped into a gentleman at the elevator and he said he lived there too. It turned out that not only did he live there, he worked with a high school friend of mine in the school system where I grew up. Small world. He was friends with some of my coaches from many, many years ago.
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September 4th, 2023 at 11:00:50 AM permalink
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Is it not repetitive doing the Alaska cruise 3 times?

Sure, a little bit. But I think we'll manage !

The whale watching from the Cruise ship deck was excellent on the last cruise when we went through one particular area, and the Naturalist on board had told us the time range that day he thought we would have a good chance of seeing whales. And he was right. So I am looking forward to that.

And looking forward to renting E-bikes in Skagway again.

Also, Ketchikan is a good port with a very cool Salmon ladder in their main stream. Victoria BC is a neat place to walk around in. Those were not on the previous itinerary.


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Sadly by the time they clear customs to let people off we had less than 3 hours in Victoria. Also since it’s like 830 at night there isn’t much to do, personally I didn’t care as I hung out with my aunt and uncle who live there.
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My parents cruised so often that they had been to all the ports so many times that many cruises they wouldn't even get off the ship anymore. They were content sitting on their balcony reading during the day and going to dinner. For them it was more of a social thing to meet new people.
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That’s fair I’ve met people who do that. I only put up with the sea days for the port stops so I wouldn’t be in that category lol.
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September 4th, 2023 at 11:15:49 AM permalink
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Sadly by the time they clear customs to let people off we had less than 3 hours in Victoria.

I don't recall any big delays like that in the past getting off the ship in Victoria, so I will cross my fingers that we have better luck than your cruise did.

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Also since it’s like 830 at night there isn’t much to do, personally I didn’t care as I hung out with my aunt and uncle who live there.

Cool !

We will probably just go for a walk. We have also taken water taxis in the past, not so much to get somewhere, but to have something fun to do.
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September 4th, 2023 at 4:05:11 PM permalink
It wasn’t a long delay only about 30 minutes but the scheduled port stop in Victoria was only 3.5 hours anyways I think.
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I just looked and your recollection is correct, it is a very short stop in Victoria:

8:00 pm Arrive at port
11:59 pm Depart port
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September 5th, 2023 at 2:35:14 PM permalink
mini-updates:

We're back on board !

This is a premiere cruise for us again, woot x2.

The boarding process was super efficient today, we arrived around 1:00, the only 2 people on the SeattleExpress shuttlebus. And then we basically walked through every station, no lines at all. So HOPEFULLY there will not be too many Premier Players. Or, maybe there will be a ton if they sent a lot of offers out. We'll have a sense of that in a day or two.

We each have some casino free-play. A token amount-ish for me, but 500 for Mrs Q.

There are a couple of 3:2 FUN 21 tables, looks like 4 decent VP machines, and a bunch of slots. Lots of Slots.
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September 5th, 2023 at 3:17:30 PM permalink
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I just looked and your recollection is correct, it is a very short stop in Victoria:

8:00 pm Arrive at port
11:59 pm Depart port
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Sadly they only do this port stop to appease the law that they have to stop in another country if they go to international waters. That’s why the Hawaii cruise stops in a small Mexico town before going back to LA.
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