She called pit boss creepy for finding out her real name
There was an “exotic” looking woman, age approximately 30-35 playing at the table. She does have an accent. But all that is irrelevant to gambling except that, like many foreigners, she uses an “American” name but her real legal name is hard to remember and pronounce.
Anyway she was semi joking semi seriously accusing the pit boss of being creepy for finding out her real name (as opposed to her English name).
Apparently the story is that she’s a new semi regular but she refused to make a players card for self control reasons. Being a semi regular, the dealer and pit boss knew her by name (English name). And then they made her a players card and asked if she wanted to take it. When she saw her legal name on the card, she was like “How you find out my real name??? So Creepie” pit boss said “sixth sense” and winked at her.
As an AP I’m not interested in that “creepy” stuff. But I’m genuinely curious how the casino got her identity. I asked her if she were ID’d at the entrance, she said no. I asked her if she won any jackpots and got w2g'd and she said no. I asked her if she were ID’d at the cashier, she said no. I asked her if she stayed in the hotel and was ID’d at the hotel, she said no. She then said “See? He so creepy he found my real name”.
I’m curious now what you guys think of how the casino got her identity.
Reminds me of some shadow profile stuff done by google and facebook
Like someone else said, I’m guessing she used her credit card somewhere else in the casino (restaurant, etc) or a sister casino and the pit boss checked that. It’s the sort of thing where you may know the casino technically has the info but it’s creepy to go to the effort to look it up.
To me, it’s similar to someone looking up your property transaction records and saying “Hey Jerry, saw you paid $624,000 for your apartment last year.” You know it’s technically a public record but super creepy for someone to look it up and tell you. And then wink when you ask about it.
Quote: FinsRuleMaking someone a players card when they didn’t want one is pretty much terrible customer service. No reason to antagonize a customer.
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Perhaps. Or maybe there were circumstances worth antagonizing the customer, and they let her know they were on to her schemes.
The entire affair is so out of the normal that only extraordinary reasons might make sense.
Quote: TinManI don’t blame her for thinking it’s creepy. I wouldn’t like that at all.
Like someone else said, I’m guessing she used her credit card somewhere else in the casino (restaurant, etc) or a sister casino and the pit boss checked that. It’s the sort of thing where you may know the casino technically has the info but it’s creepy to go to the effort to look it up.
To me, it’s similar to someone looking up your property transaction records and saying “Hey Jerry, saw you paid $624,000 for your apartment last year.” You know it’s technically a public record but super creepy for someone to look it up and tell you. And then wink when you ask about it.
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It's scary how easy it is do do this kind of thing these days. Last month my doctor retired so I had to pick a new one. My old MD recommended someone so I decided to check them out and try to get a bit more info than the simple bio on the clinic's web-site. I did your basic Google search and the next thing I know, I've got the name of her husband and 2 kids, where they live, her home ph#, when they bought the house (and how much they paid), plus everywhere she had lived in the past 15 years. Also who her housemates were when she did her residency.
I thought the whole thing was definitely creepy. Keep in mind I wasn't looking for any of this stuff... just wanted to know about her medical career. This stuff all just popped up when I did the basic search. The only slightly voyeuristic extra I did was thanks to Google Street View I could compare her new house to the previous (new one has a nicer patio plus an in-ground pool).
Does anyone know the current legal status of "shadow profiles" by facebook and google? Last time I've heard, congress was in progress of making it illegal.
Will "Shadow profiles" also be illegal with casinos as well some day?
Frankly I think this is a non event. Why would she care if her legal name appeared on a card?
My hairdresser is from Iran. Do you think her real name is Linda?
Quote: AlanMendelsonWas she a registered hotel guest?
Frankly I think this is a non event. Why would she care if her legal name appeared on a card?
My hairdresser is from Iran. Do you think her real name is Linda?
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She might think you're creepy if you found out her real name.
Shouldn't it intuitively make sense, if you think from a woman's perspective, "woah, what else do you know about me?"
Quote: IWannaBeAPQuote: AlanMendelsonWas she a registered hotel guest?
Frankly I think this is a non event. Why would she care if her legal name appeared on a card?
My hairdresser is from Iran. Do you think her real name is Linda?
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She might think you're creepy if you found out her real name.
Shouldn't it intuitively make sense, if you think from a woman's perspective, "woah, what else do you know about me?"
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About one quarter of the on air staff at KCAL used stage names. No one cared when envelopes from the payroll dept appeared on their desks with their real names.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: IWannaBeAPQuote: AlanMendelsonWas she a registered hotel guest?
Frankly I think this is a non event. Why would she care if her legal name appeared on a card?
My hairdresser is from Iran. Do you think her real name is Linda?
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She might think you're creepy if you found out her real name.
Shouldn't it intuitively make sense, if you think from a woman's perspective, "woah, what else do you know about me?"
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About one quarter of the on air staff at KCAL used stage names. No one cared when envelopes from the payroll dept appeared on their desks with their real names.
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A very female DJ friend of mine got quite upset when creepy random fans doxxed her and started sending gifts and letters to her residence. I believe she adopted a stage name after the first incident, and realized how popular her program was with the local prison inmate 35-55 demographic.
There seems to be a subjective difference between the guy at the next desk knowing your real name and a stranger showing up at your house and sniffing through your garbage cans.
Quote: AlanMendelsonDo you think the on air reporters at KCAL signed checks and presented credit cards with their stage names??
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I have checks from Debbie Reynolds signed Debbie Reynolds, but she also had credit cards in her real name. When traveling, the TSA doesn't allow you to use your stage name, as I understand it.
Quote: AlanMendelsonDo you think the on air reporters at KCAL signed checks and presented credit cards with their stage names??
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Were your colleagues telling the world that they lived at the corner of Cucumber and Vine, and fans should stop by and say hello?
I think they may have used the level of discretion they deemed prudent.
Quote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonDo you think the on air reporters at KCAL signed checks and presented credit cards with their stage names??
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Were your colleagues telling the world that they lived at the corner of Cucumber and Vine, and fans should stop by and say hello?
I think they may have used the level of discretion they deemed prudent.
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Did the pit boss give out the girl's address at the table?
No.
I just dont understand what the fuss is.
That's my point.
To wax poetic, what's in a name?
In error I've been call Tom and Mark and Bob... and I never even mentioned anything.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: IWannaBeAPQuote: AlanMendelsonWas she a registered hotel guest?
Frankly I think this is a non event. Why would she care if her legal name appeared on a card?
My hairdresser is from Iran. Do you think her real name is Linda?
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She might think you're creepy if you found out her real name.
Shouldn't it intuitively make sense, if you think from a woman's perspective, "woah, what else do you know about me?"
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About one quarter of the on air staff at KCAL used stage names. No one cared when envelopes from the payroll dept appeared on their desks with their real names.
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It’s no mystery how KCAL knew the name of their employees. It’s creepy that a pit boss sniffs out the name of a player.
Players not same thing as employee.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonDo you think the on air reporters at KCAL signed checks and presented credit cards with their stage names??
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Were your colleagues telling the world that they lived at the corner of Cucumber and Vine, and fans should stop by and say hello?
I think they may have used the level of discretion they deemed prudent.
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Did the pit boss give out the girl's address at the table?
No.
I just dont understand what the fuss is.
That's my point.
To wax poetic, what's in a name?
In error I've been call Tom and Mark and Bob... and I never even mentioned anything.
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1. Women often have very real concerns about their personal safety that men do not.
2. If I go to a place and the only name I ever give them is Dieter (not even Dieter Greene), and they subsequently identify me as Red Acted and have a file created for me, yeah, I'd think it was a bit creepy. If I was deliberately being pseudonymous, I'd be looking to identify and plug the leak.
The pit boss wasn't creepy, but he was trying to joke with his sixth sense comment.
Now correct me if I'm wrong... don't all casinos print cards with your legal name?
Years ago I asked Caesars to make up a 7 Stars card for me using the name Elvis Presley. (I'm not going to lie, I was going to put it on eBay.) And I was told they'd do it if I presented ID that I was Elvis Presley.
I tried the same thing at other casinos. No go.
Now, in rereading the original post I see she's played there before giving multiple opportunities that her legal name was entered.
Now... when I dont have my card at casinos they can easily look me up by using starting letters of my last name.
Casino lists are alphabetized. (Gee what a wonder that is.) So all the pit boss probably did was enter the first few letters of her last name (example KAM...) and the appropriate list came up.
No magic. Nothing creepy. Just technology at work.
And about her denying all the ID possibilities... how do we know she was even telling the truth.
And why are we even discussing this??
This is Bogus 101.
There are other things for you APs in training to think about.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI just reread the original post.
The pit boss wasn't creepy, but he was trying to joke with his sixth sense comment.
Now correct me if I'm wrong... don't all casinos print cards with your legal name?
Years ago I asked Caesars to make up a 7 Stars card for me using the name Elvis Presley. (I'm not going to lie, I was going to put it on eBay.) And I was told they'd do it if I presented ID that I was Elvis Presley.
I tried the same thing at other casinos. No go.
Now, in rereading the original post I see she's played there before giving multiple opportunities that her legal name was entered.
Now... when I dont have my card at casinos they can easily look me up by using starting letters of my last name.
Casino lists are alphabetized. (Gee what a wonder that is.) So all the pit boss probably did was enter the first few letters of her last name (example KAM...) and the appropriate list came up.
No magic. Nothing creepy. Just technology at work.
And why are we even discussing this??
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Alan, how did the pit boss look up her name without knowing her last name? Part of the creep factor is the pit boss didn’t know her last name.
Quote: IWannaBeAPAnyway she was semi joking semi seriously accusing the pit boss of being creepy for finding out her real name (as opposed to her English name).
Apparently the story is that she’s a new semi regular....
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She was semi joking... so we should take this seriously?
She's a new semi regular player and we should believe she never presented legal ID with her real name before?
I know in Nevada ALL players must present legal ID.
Quote: AlanMendelson
I know in Nevada ALL players must present legal ID.
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I may not have played in Nevada as much as you have, but I have never had to present legal identification documents to buy-in, play, or cash-out.
Quote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelson
I know in Nevada ALL players must present legal ID.
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I may not have played in Nevada as much as you have, but I have never had to present legal identification documents to buy-in, play, or cash-out.
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Lucky you.
But that's the law in Nevada.
You can't even walk into Circa without showing ID at the door.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelson
I know in Nevada ALL players must present legal ID.
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I may not have played in Nevada as much as you have, but I have never had to present legal identification documents to buy-in, play, or cash-out.
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Lucky you.
But that's the law in Nevada.
You can't even walk into Circa to without showing ID at the door.
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Alan, there is no law in Nevada requiring a person to show ID to gamble. I worked in Gaming compliance for many years and I am pretty sure I would have known if there was.
Quote: DRichQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelson
I know in Nevada ALL players must present legal ID.
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I may not have played in Nevada as much as you have, but I have never had to present legal identification documents to buy-in, play, or cash-out.
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Lucky you.
But that's the law in Nevada.
You can't even walk into Circa to without showing ID at the door.
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Alan, there is no law in Nevada requiring a person to show ID to gamble. I worked in Gaming compliance for many years and I am pretty sure I would have known if there was.
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You're wrong.
I just called the 24/7 Number of the NGC.
NGC Vegas Office
702-486-2020
I spoke to two agents.
Yes, casinos are required to ask for your ID and the purpose is to verify your age and who you are.
That's the law.
But... that doesn't mean casinos follow the law, does it?
Call them yourself.
Quote: AlanMendelsonHere we go...
I just called the 24/7 Number of the NGC.
NGC Vegas Office
702-486-2020
I spoke to two agents.
Yes, casinos are required to ask for your ID and the purpose is to verify your age and who you are.
That's the law.
But... that doesn't mean casinos follow the law, does it?
Call them yourself.
You are still 100% wrong. I don't know if you are just trying to create discussion but it is a terrible look when you are this wrong. Maybe you should try and re-structure the question so you don't look so embarrassingly ridiculous.
What question did you ask? Did you ask if every casino patron is required to show ID to gamble? If you did they may have said that every patron is required to show ID to gamble if asked for it. But no way they said every patron has to show ID to gamble.
Call James Taylor or Russell Niel if either of them tell you every patron must show ID to gamble I will call you a liar.
Quote: DRichQuote: AlanMendelsonHere we go...
I just called the 24/7 Number of the NGC.
NGC Vegas Office
702-486-2020
I spoke to two agents.
Yes, casinos are required to ask for your ID and the purpose is to verify your age and who you are.
That's the law.
But... that doesn't mean casinos follow the law, does it?
Call them yourself.
You are still 100% wrong. I don't know if you are just trying to create discussion but it is a terrible look when you are this wrong. Maybe you should try and re-structure the question so you don't look so embarrassingly ridiculous.
What question did you ask? Did you ask if every casino patron is required to show ID to gamble? If you did they may have said that every patron is required to show ID to gamble if asked for it. But no way they said every patron has to show ID to gamble.
Call James Taylor or Russell Niel if either of them tell you every patron must show ID to gamble I will call you a liar.
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I gave the phone number.
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I gave the phone number.
I have probably called Nevada Gaming over 1000 times. I have probably been in their offices a 100 times. This would be the equivalent of me questioning you about TV production. Although, I would never be as wrong as you are on this one.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelson
I know in Nevada ALL players must present legal ID.
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I may not have played in Nevada as much as you have, but I have never had to present legal identification documents to buy-in, play, or cash-out.
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Lucky you.
But that's the law in Nevada.
You can't even walk into Circa without showing ID at the door.
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Please tell me you are trolling and don’t actually think you need to show ID to walk into a Las Vegas casino! I walked into the Rio, Palace Station, Sunset Coast, and Red Rock without showing any ID last week. (It is possible Circa is different….). But it can’t be the law in Nevada.
I'm pretty sure I have never been asked to show my id in any casino.
Arriving by bus at the Showboat, they would scan your id in order to get the bonus, but that was to keep people from getting multiple bus coupons on the same day.
Quote: gordonm888I have played at casinos in Nevada, North Carolina, NJ, and West Virgina and have never been asked to show ID when entering a casino. Being asked for a player's card at a table is fairly standard in recent decades (in my experience), but if I had no player's card I was not asked for ID and was allowed to gamble anyway.
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I wish to add to the list Michigan, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Montana, and South Dakota.
Quote: SOOPOO
Please tell me you are trolling and don’t actually think you need to show ID to walk into a Las Vegas casino! I walked into the Rio, Palace Station, Sunset Coast, and Red Rock without showing any ID last week. (It is possible Circa is different….). But it can’t be the law in Nevada.
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Circa claims to be a 21 and over casino. They do not let any minors in the place even to eat. That is why they ID at the door.
Quote: DRichQuote: SOOPOO
Please tell me you are trolling and don’t actually think you need to show ID to walk into a Las Vegas casino! I walked into the Rio, Palace Station, Sunset Coast, and Red Rock without showing any ID last week. (It is possible Circa is different….). But it can’t be the law in Nevada.
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Circa claims to be a 21 and over casino. They do not let any minors in the place even to eat. That is why they ID at the door.
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So they will require an old decrepit guy like you to show ID? Meaning everyone?
If so.... I OWE ALAN AN APOLOGY!
But I still think the point is that MOST OFTEN you don't need to show ID to get into a casino.
Quote: SOOPOO
But I still think the point is that MOST OFTEN you don't need to show ID to get into a casino.
There definitely is no law that requires it.
It started when I said this:
Quote: AlanMendelson
I know in Nevada ALL players must present legal ID.
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This was confirmed by the NGC and I gave the phone number so anyone could call.
But now the discussion has morphed to this:
Quote: SOOPOO
Please tell me you are trolling and don’t actually think you need to show ID to walk into a Las Vegas casino! I walked into the Rio, Palace Station, Sunset Coast, and Red Rock without showing any ID last week. (It is possible Circa is different….). But it can’t be the law in Nevada.
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Quote: DRichQuote: SOOPOO
But I still think the point is that MOST OFTEN you don't need to show ID to get into a casino.
There definitely is no law that requires it.
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Where did the "telephone call" break down? Probably when I mentioned that Circa has a policy of checking IDs at the door.
In my case, not only were my ID and my girlfriend's ID checked at the door, but the attendant put our driver licenses into scanners to record the info.
There is no law about checking IDs at the door; Again it's a Circa policy.
I also never said anything about APs winning every bet they make or even that they win every day.
From the beginning I said APs lose. So any comments that I allegedly made that APs win all the time is just another telephone game failure.
But I'm just too tired to bother track that breakdown.
By the way, my use of the telephone game played in elementary school analogy is fitting.
I won't bother to point out your insults. But I didn't call anyone's post stupid.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI think these "holes" need to be filled by the original poster.
Quote: IWannaBeAPAnyway she was semi joking semi seriously accusing the pit boss of being creepy for finding out her real name (as opposed to her English name).
Apparently the story is that she’s a new semi regular....
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She was semi joking... so we should take this seriously?
She's a new semi regular player and we should believe she never presented legal ID with her real name before?
I know in Nevada ALL players must present legal ID.
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I quoted entire post. So NO misunderstanding.
You DID post that ‘I know in Nevada ALL players must present legal ID.’
Are you saying that is true? You KNOW that is not true! Just this last trip I played at 4 casinos in Nevada without presenting ANY ID.
Please answer…. Why do you persist in your silliness?
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: AlanMendelsonI think these "holes" need to be filled by the original poster.
Quote: IWannaBeAPAnyway she was semi joking semi seriously accusing the pit boss of being creepy for finding out her real name (as opposed to her English name).
Apparently the story is that she’s a new semi regular....
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She was semi joking... so we should take this seriously?
She's a new semi regular player and we should believe she never presented legal ID with her real name before?
I know in Nevada ALL players must present legal ID.
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I quoted entire post. So NO misunderstanding.
You DID post that ‘I know in Nevada ALL players must present legal ID.’
Are you saying that is true? You KNOW that is not true! Just this last trip I played at 4 casinos in Nevada without presenting ANY ID.
Please answer…. Why do you persist in your silliness?
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I'm going to ask you once more to call the NGC yourself. I posted their 24/7 phone number.
I also posted that some casinos may not follow the law. But the law is casinos must ask and check the legal ID of all players.
Just because you weren't checked doesn't mean you don't have to be checked.
And there are casinos who accept your players card as being your proof.
Call the NGC yourself. Argue with them.
I am surprised you believe everything people tell you. If I were that naive, I would believe you on this matter.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: SOOPOOQuote: AlanMendelsonI think these "holes" need to be filled by the original poster.
Quote: IWannaBeAPAnyway she was semi joking semi seriously accusing the pit boss of being creepy for finding out her real name (as opposed to her English name).
Apparently the story is that she’s a new semi regular....
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She was semi joking... so we should take this seriously?
She's a new semi regular player and we should believe she never presented legal ID with her real name before?
I know in Nevada ALL players must present legal ID.
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I quoted entire post. So NO misunderstanding.
You DID post that ‘I know in Nevada ALL players must present legal ID.’
Are you saying that is true? You KNOW that is not true! Just this last trip I played at 4 casinos in Nevada without presenting ANY ID.
Please answer…. Why do you persist in your silliness?
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I'm going to ask you once more to call the NGC yourself. I posted their 24/7 phone number.
I also posted that some casinos may not follow the law. But the law is casinos must ask and check the legal ID of all players.
Just because you weren't checked doesn't mean you don't have to be checked.
And there are casinos who accept your players card as being your proof.
Call the NGC yourself. Argue with them.
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While you are at it, call NGC and ask them if there are stand alone 15,000 must hits. Lol
Quote: unJonWhile you are at it, call NGC and ask them if there are stand alone 15,000 must hits. Lol
That's funny except for the people that I think he is calling would have absolutely no idea.
