TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
smoothgrhcamapl
May 29th, 2022 at 3:51:35 AM permalink
Tomorrow I'm heading to Vegas for 5 nights. 1 resort I've never stayed at before (Cromwell) and 1 will be a place I've been before (4 Queens). Plans are a bit TBD. This will be my first trip during the WSOP. I'll go see what it looks like, at a minimum. There are a few ~$200 poker tournaments at different properties. If I win enough at one of those, I'll try to parlay it at the $1500 O8 WSOP. Other potential plans--go to Ka, go back to the Wynn for the first time in like 15 years, go to several buffets. I have a LVA coupon book so will be using that, plus some MyVegas match play. Gambling will be a mix of VP, craps, poker, tiles and some BJ. I'll update this thread with periodic entries.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
SiegfriedRoy
SiegfriedRoy
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 487
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
Thanked by
TinMan
May 29th, 2022 at 5:34:54 AM permalink
If you like and care about sleep, DO NOT get the top floors at Cromwell. The Drais night club will be blasting music until early morning.
Vegasrider
Vegasrider
  • Threads: 88
  • Posts: 963
Joined: Dec 23, 2017
May 29th, 2022 at 8:38:17 AM permalink
Is the Cromwell actually a resort? Great location though.
Vegasrider
Vegasrider
  • Threads: 88
  • Posts: 963
Joined: Dec 23, 2017
May 29th, 2022 at 8:38:24 AM permalink
Is the Cromwell actually a resort? Great location though.
SiegfriedRoy
SiegfriedRoy
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 487
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
May 29th, 2022 at 11:13:05 AM permalink
I wouldn稚 call it a resort. It痴 a boutique hotel with limited amenities.
JohnnyQ
JohnnyQ
  • Threads: 264
  • Posts: 4032
Joined: Nov 3, 2009
May 29th, 2022 at 11:48:50 AM permalink
Quote: TinMan

plus some MyVegas match play.

Just double-check the fineprint, the myVegas ones I have seen usually require a certain # of PAID nights at that property.
There's emptiness behind their eyes There's dust in all their hearts They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
DJTeddyBear
DJTeddyBear
  • Threads: 207
  • Posts: 11006
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
May 29th, 2022 at 2:28:35 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

Quote: TinMan

plus some MyVegas match play.

Just double-check the fineprint, the myVegas ones I have seen usually require a certain # of PAID nights at that property.
link to original post

Really? Used to be any nights, including comps and even MyVegas nights counted.

That痴 a sucky change.
I invented a few casino games. Info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ 覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧 Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
May 29th, 2022 at 2:55:21 PM permalink
I値l check, but I致e been able to use ParkMGM match play without staying on property. $15 and $25. Did it in December but possible it has changed. Also got a 2 for 1 at the Mirage sandwich place.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
JohnnyQ
JohnnyQ
  • Threads: 264
  • Posts: 4032
Joined: Nov 3, 2009
May 30th, 2022 at 5:35:27 AM permalink
Ooops, I double-checked myVegas and it looks like the MATCH PLAYS do not require a minimum stay.

BUT the FREE PLAYS do, at least as far as I can tell.
There's emptiness behind their eyes There's dust in all their hearts They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
kewlj
kewlj
  • Threads: 216
  • Posts: 4635
Joined: Apr 17, 2012
May 30th, 2022 at 10:48:26 AM permalink
Tin man, I am very much looking forward to your trip reports. They are always a fun read, and enjoyable and obviously very real.
avianrandy
avianrandy
  • Threads: 8
  • Posts: 1616
Joined: Mar 7, 2010
Thanked by
DeMango
May 30th, 2022 at 4:33:48 PM permalink
Welcome back kewlj
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
MrCasinoGamescamaplJohnnyQTorghattensmoothgrhJoeman
May 31st, 2022 at 12:24:57 AM permalink
Day 1

Flight in was uneventful. Got in just before 9. Uber to Cromwell was fast. $19 but I had a $5 credit for some reason so $14. Checked in at Cromwell. Very fast. I hate waiting a long time to checkin. Probably because so few rooms and it痴 Monday no real line. Room itself is nice. Advertised as strip view but that痴 a bit misleading. I can see part of flamingo and a whole lot of concrete. To date, the nicest hotel I致e had in Vegas was Paris. I壇 say this is definitely below Paris and just below Mirage. Still very nice.

Walked over to Harrahs. I was about to sit at tiles but it was $50. If table was empty I would have asked for $25 but there were two people there. Walked back to Cromwell. Sad to see triple zero roulette at the place that a few years ago had single zero. Craps was $25 and $15. I bought in for $400 at $15 table. $15 pass and $30 odds. Table was up and down. But mostly down. Guy next to me was all dad jokes all the time. Every craps cliche possible. Khakis to complete the look. He was generally fine but then a woman I think was a hooker started chatting him up. She bought in for $20 and didn稚 make a bet. He probably had $800 in front of him. I cashed out before i could see how it turned out. He was chatting her up too but he was also chatty generally. One woman (not the possible hooker) was Rocketing the dice. I致e never seen dice thrown so hard. They went off once and dealer asked her to go a bit easier. Table was not going well. I cashed out for $150.

Down $250 so far. First full day tomorrow
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
camaplMrCasinoGamessmoothgrhJoeman
May 31st, 2022 at 10:07:46 AM permalink
Day 2A

Woke up at about 7. Walked over to Caesar痴. Easier walk than I remembered. Found the $5 96 JOB In high limit. Wanted to take a shot. Dropped $200 in about 5 mins. One flush and a few 2 pairs but nothing better. Oh well. Took a shot.

Walked to park mgm. Used the match plays. Won both. $80 profit there. Table grumbled a bit when I got up but I知 not going to play a 6/5 game without matchplay/freeplay/etc.

Walked to Excalibur for the buffet. For about $30 on the strip it was good. I anticipate MSS will be better for like $20. Saw a kid of about 24 accidentally drop a mound of bacon off his plate onto the floor. He looked embarrassed and picked it up. I assumed he would just put that plate to the side but he kept adding food to it so seems like he ate the mound of floor bacon. Gross. Brisket and ham were both dry. I ate a few pieces of the fried chicken. There was an artichoke salad that was delicious. I had two servings of that.

Total so far: down $370 or so.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
May 31st, 2022 at 10:07:52 AM permalink
Day 2A

Woke up at about 7. Walked over to Caesar痴. Easier walk than I remembered. Found the $5 96 JOB In high limit. Wanted to take a shot. Dropped $200 in about 5 mins. One flush and a few 2 pairs but nothing better. Oh well. Took a shot.

Walked to park mgm. Used the match plays. Won both. $80 profit there. Table grumbled a bit when I got up but I知 not going to play a 6/5 game without matchplay/freeplay/etc.

Walked to Excalibur for the buffet. For about $30 on the strip it was good. I anticipate MSS will be better for like $20. Saw a kid of about 24 accidentally drop a mound of bacon off his plate onto the floor. He looked embarrassed and picked it up. I assumed he would just put that plate to the side but he kept adding food to it so seems like he ate the mound of floor bacon. Gross. Brisket and ham were both dry. I ate a few pieces of the fried chicken. There was an artichoke salad that was delicious. I had two servings of that.

Total so far: down $370 or so.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
MrCasinoGamessmoothgrhJoemancamapl
May 31st, 2022 at 2:42:20 PM permalink
Day 2B

Uber to Ellis Island. Played some craps. Bought in for $300. $5 PL and $25-$30 odds. Did not go well. Lost $255. Used some LVA coupons but lost $15 in that process. Walked to Ballys. Looked in at the WSOP. Casino employees event going on. I壇 never seen WSOP before so was fun to see the space (new for everyone this year at Ballys/Paris). Walked to Harrahs. Tiles closed so played $5 I love suits. Won $55.

Total: $585 Down
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
DJTeddyBear
DJTeddyBear
  • Threads: 207
  • Posts: 11006
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
May 31st, 2022 at 7:46:23 PM permalink
Quote: TinMan

Day 2B
. Walked to Harrahs. Tiles closed so played $5 I love suits. Won $55.
link to original post

I love suits?
I invented a few casino games. Info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ 覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧 Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
May 31st, 2022 at 7:54:36 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Quote: TinMan

Day 2B
. Walked to Harrahs. Tiles closed so played $5 I love suits. Won $55.
link to original post

I love suits?
link to original post



It痴 apparently the same game as High Card Flush. WOO has a page on it. For $5, it痴 pretty fun.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
speedycrap
speedycrap
  • Threads: 46
  • Posts: 1310
Joined: Oct 13, 2013
May 31st, 2022 at 8:27:46 PM permalink
Ellis Island craps is really value. Dont forget to try their NY steak $ eggs special.$9.99 from 11pm to 11am. You should be able to get a comp or even for 2 people. Good luck.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
SiegfriedRoyJoemancamaplMrCasinoGames
June 1st, 2022 at 12:25:36 AM permalink
Rest of Day 2

Well, the rest of day 2 didn稚 go well. Walked to the Linq. In the O担heas area they had $10 craps. I played $10 PL and $30 odds. Lost $300. Only story worth telling葉here was a guy in his late 40s/early 50s with a woman who looked to be 22-23. They played together for a while and then left. As soon as they were out of earshot, Pit says 努hat do you think妖aughter? Girlfriend? I think it was likely his daughter but could be wrong.

Linq had more $5 I love suits. This time it didn稚 go as well. Lost $55. Dealer was a bit uncertain about the game. Had to ask the pit if her 3/4/5 beat my k/10/8. She was thinking it might be like 3CP. After that did a lot of walking, mostly around Paris and Bellagio.

Ended up back at Cromwell. Found a $5 3CP. I won $50. Dealer was friendly but honestly too talkative. It wasn稚 a talkative table and the dealer kept trying to prod people in awkward ways. She kept asking me what I was doing in Vegas悠 said vacation and she was confused by that answer for some reason. It was weird. Her persona was very friendly but oddly confused but straightforward things.

Went up to the room to relax. Then walked back to Harrahs. Tiles table open. I played $25 for 3.5 hours. It was fun but couldn稚 get the table to myself. Lost $350 during that time. Lots of pushes but overall a slow drip loss. Oh well.

Trip Total: I think about $1250 loss. Rough day.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
SiegfriedRoy
SiegfriedRoy
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 487
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
June 1st, 2022 at 9:31:23 AM permalink
TinMan,

Great report so far. Do you set a gambling budget for each day? If so, do you set aside any winnings for the day, and stick to the budget the next day? Also, you should really ask for comps at Ellis Island. They're really generous. The pitbosses determine the amount, and if you strike a friendly conversation with nice pitboss, he may give you a bit more.

Also, do you drink (alcohol) at all? If so, Ellis Island sometimes let you take a beer growler back to the hotel if that's what you want instead of food comps.
SiegfriedRoy
SiegfriedRoy
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 487
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
June 1st, 2022 at 9:31:29 AM permalink
Deleted due to duplicate
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
June 1st, 2022 at 10:20:01 AM permalink
Quote: SiegfriedRoy

TinMan,

Great report so far. Do you set a gambling budget for each day? If so, do you set aside any winnings for the day, and stick to the budget the next day? Also, you should really ask for comps at Ellis Island. They're really generous. The pitbosses determine the amount, and if you strike a friendly conversation with nice pitboss, he may give you a bit more.

Also, do you drink (alcohol) at all? If so, Ellis Island sometimes let you take a beer growler back to the hotel if that's what you want instead of food comps.
link to original post



I don稚 set a budget per day but more per trip. If I have a bad day, I値l cut back the next day or gamble at things with lower downside. For example, I知 planning to play a few low limit poker tournaments. If those go well, great. If not, I値l be out under $200 for (hopefully) several hours of play.

It also helps that New York legalized spots betting In January. I did a reasonably good job at maximizing sign up bonuses. I left some money on the table but still cleared about $8k thorough the promos. I know it痴 not really the same but I think of that as a gambling win so if I have a loss on this trip it痴 not as painful as it would be otherwise.

Oh預nd yes, I drink. I keep track of drink tips and I had 7 yesterday (6 alcoholic).
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
smoothgrhMrCasinoGamescamapl
June 2nd, 2022 at 5:32:46 AM permalink
Day 3

It was a much more low key day. Walked to Ocean One in Miracle Mile shops. I wanted to try their lunch special but it was 9am and they only do breakfast then. Ordered eggs and sausage. Really generous portion of eggs. Sausage was a bit dry but ok. $6. Nice looking restaurant. 9/10.

Walked to Bellagio. Sat for 1/3 hold 粗m. One guy at the table was very talkative and showed down several bluffs. On the key hand, I raise to $15 with AJ over a $6 straddle. I should have raised more, I know. 3 people call, including the talkative guy and the straddle. Flop is J, 9, 7. I bet $30, one call and talkative guy raises to $90. One fold. I saw him do something similar with a flush draw so I go all in for $160. I won稚 go through all the details but he had 8/10 and I lost.

By this point it was 12:30 so I walked back to Ocean One. Got the mahi tacos (very good), salmon salad (great) and a pina colada (excellent). $13 for a great lunch. 9/10.

Walked around a bit and then Uber to Orleans. I should have called first. There痴 a Wednesday O8/stud8 on their regular daily schedule. But they池e doing a special series in the summer. Regular daily schedule is replaced. There was a hold 粗m tournament預t first I was considering playing but it would be 2 hours til the start. I walked to the pit and saw PGP. I figured I壇 kill some time. The sign indicated regular PGP. Every table I致e seen otherwise has been face up so I sat down. I prefer regular PGP. I sit down and it痴 face up. The sign was wrong. The felt was face up and no quarters on the table. Oh well. Bought in for $100 at $20 table. Some pushes but didn稚 win a hand. Lost the $100 and didn稚 want to stay for the hold 粗m tournament. Uber back to Cromwell.

Walked to flamingo and got on a $15 craps table. Wanted to do something different so just placed the 8 for $18. Ultimately lost $50 after about 90 mins. Funny moment: father and son playing. I forget what the exact prompt was, but father said 徹h, I own him about son. Dealer immediately says 土ou don稚 own him but you paid for him. In typing this out it sounds a bit sinister but it was funny.

Walked to Harrahs and sat for tiles. 2.5 hours. Was down $125 at my lowest and up $100 at my highest. Wanted to book a win so walked $60 up.

Day total: down $280
Trip total: down $1500 or so
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
JohnnyQ
JohnnyQ
  • Threads: 264
  • Posts: 4032
Joined: Nov 3, 2009
June 2nd, 2022 at 8:48:30 AM permalink
Nice report so far !

Quote: TinMan

By this point it was 12:30 so I walked back to Ocean One.

I like going over to Ocean One as well for a sit-down meal on the cheap.

If you haven't tried BATISTA's HOLE in the WALL, I recommend that for dinner ( Italian Food ). It is just north of the side entrance of Bally's. Call ahead for a reservation.
There's emptiness behind their eyes There's dust in all their hearts They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
June 2nd, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM permalink
Question for the math people: I see a PGP progressive at $521,000. I found a forum thread from 2010 saying the bet is plus EV at $243,000. I assume that痴 without accounting for the base bet itself. That is, you値l lose about 2% on the base bet. Assuming a $25 min, is $521,000 enough to make the overall bet positive EV? That is, $25 base bet plus $1 progressive.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
camapl
camapl 
  • Threads: 8
  • Posts: 426
Joined: Jun 22, 2010
Thanked by
TinMan
June 2nd, 2022 at 5:29:57 PM permalink
Quote: TinMan

Question for the math people: I see a PGP progressive at $521,000. I found a forum thread from 2010 saying the bet is plus EV at $243,000. I assume that痴 without accounting for the base bet itself. That is, you値l lose about 2% on the base bet. Assuming a $25 min, is $521,000 enough to make the overall bet positive EV? That is, $25 base bet plus $1 progressive.
link to original post



In order to cover a 2% house edge on the $25 base bet, your $1 side bet must cover an expected loss of $0.50 (2% of $25). That means you need the progressive to be high enough to yield a 150% return (($1 + $0.50)/$1). According to the Pai Gow Poker page on WoO, version 2 of the Fortune Progressive yields a 2.2% increase to the edge [EDIT: not edge, but return] for every $10K on the meter. If it is 100% at just over $243K, then another $227K ($10K * 50%/2.2%) is needed to break even on both bets. Assuming a house edge of 2% on the base game puts a $470-471K meter at break even for your $26 in action.

If you use a more conservative house edge for the base game, such as 2.5%, then add $284K (instead of $227K) to require $527-528K
Expectation is the root of all heartache.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
camapl
June 2nd, 2022 at 6:22:16 PM permalink
Quote: camapl

Quote: TinMan

Question for the math people: I see a PGP progressive at $521,000. I found a forum thread from 2010 saying the bet is plus EV at $243,000. I assume that痴 without accounting for the base bet itself. That is, you値l lose about 2% on the base bet. Assuming a $25 min, is $521,000 enough to make the overall bet positive EV? That is, $25 base bet plus $1 progressive.
link to original post



In order to cover a 2% house edge on the $25 base bet, your $1 side bet must cover an expected loss of $0.50 (2% of $25). That means you need the progressive to be high enough to yield a 150% return (($1 + $0.50)/$1). According to the Pai Gow Poker page on WoO, version 2 of the Fortune Progressive yields a 2.2% increase to the edge [EDIT: not edge, but return] for every $10K on the meter. If it is 100% at just over $243K, then another $227K ($10K * 50%/2.2%) is needed to break even on both bets. Assuming a house edge of 2% on the base game puts a $470-471K meter at break even for your $26 in action.

If you use a more conservative house edge for the base game, such as 2.5%, then add $284K (instead of $227K) to require $527-528K
link to original post



Wow, thank you! That痴 incredible. The skills of people on this forum never cease to amaze me.

I致e literally never made a progressive bet like that but I値l give it a shot.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
PokerGrindercamaplUP84SiegfriedRoyJohnnyQMrCasinoGamessmoothgrh
June 2nd, 2022 at 9:02:29 PM permalink
Day 4A

Checked out of Cromwell and Uber to 4Queens. I was able to check in very early (before 8am). That was nice. As is 2 nights comped. Room is perfectly fine. Facing fremont so i can hear the music but I don稚 mind. breakfast at magnolias. Walked to golden nugget and played a $250 O8 tournament. Lasted a little over 4 hours and then busted. Never really got anything going. Starting stack was 15k and my peak was about 17k. I was hovering around the starting stack for 90% of the time.

Walked to golden gate. $25 match play and 2:1 first BJ coupon from LVA. The 2:1 coupon took forever to use. I must have been there 45 mins. The good news is I won $275 in that time. There were two friendly, drunk and clueless guys at the table. One of them kept splitting 10s and 5s. Other guy hit A/A. They would stand 13 v 9 and then hit 14 v 5. It was wild. They were hanging in there somehow but that can稚 last. One guy called 15 v 6 鍍he hardest hand in blackjack. Another time he split 5s, got another 5 and then hit vs 8. He won both hands and announced 的 played that perfectly.

Walked to the D and was able to use $25 LVA matchplay AND 都ayhitomatthew $25 matchplay. I lost one and won one for an overall $25 profit.

Walked to Cal. Played some craps (lost $100), $1 10/7 DB VP (won $25) and 9/6 JOB (won $20). Cal was pretty busy.

Walked to Binion痴 and converted $10 slot freeplay to $7.50. Person at the desk was very friendly.

Back to 4Q. Was dead even on quarter 10/7DB after about an hour. Dinner at magnolias. Salmon was great. Since I had a BOGO I also got the pork chop. It was dry. The soup of the day用otato and bacon謡as delicious.

Trip total: I think I知 about even today. The LVA coupons are a bit harder to keep track of but I think close to even today. May go play some more but undecided.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
JohnnyQ
JohnnyQ
  • Threads: 264
  • Posts: 4032
Joined: Nov 3, 2009
June 3rd, 2022 at 4:32:13 AM permalink
Enjoying the Trip Report.....
There's emptiness behind their eyes There's dust in all their hearts They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
camaplMrCasinoGamessmoothgrh
June 3rd, 2022 at 9:04:43 AM permalink
Rest of Day 4

I came up to my room after dinner and was on the fence about playing some more. I had had a few drinks during the day and it started to catch up with me. I rested for about 90 mins and decided to head down again. Played 10/7 DB and hit a straight flush and quads. I was up $100 at one point and decided to cash out at up $150 or up $50. Ended up cashing out up $50.

Walked over to craps. $10. One spot open and it was next to an attractive woman so I bought in. Table was choppy and I ultimately lost $70. Nothing too memorable other than the fact that the base dealer kept giving payouts that required the players to drop him change. Eg, instead of paying $14, he壇 pay $15 and ask players to drop him $1. Generally that痴 fine but some people seemed to be novices/drunk and were confused. Slowed the game down. One woman he kept asking to drop him $15. I didn稚 pay attention to what her bet was but it seemed odd that the 田hange approach to payouts should require $15. I would think he could just pay her the correct amount. For some people, they get it and it痴 automatic葉hey have the change ready to go. But when it痴 a novice and they池e confused every time it seems like more hassle than it痴 worth. I致e seen 4Q craps dealers do that before. Maybe it痴 something they池e instructed on as a way to get higher denom chips to players? Like slowly convert everyone痴 reds to greens? It痴 definitely done more there than elsewhere. I wasn稚 feeling like being there so I left down $70.

Back to VP. I really enjoy Double Bonus and 4Q comps it well for a +EV game. I probably earn something like $20-$25/day in comps when I play it for 3-4 hours. Boyd doesn稚 give tier credits for even 99.5% games, let alone their 100.17 game. I believe Plaza is the same. Anyway, I haven稚 paid for a meal at 4Q since I started playing that game. Anyway, I was hovering about even, down $20 or so and feeling tired. Had 1 four to a Royal that didn稚 work out and 1 time where I (correctly) held only AAA on AAA33 but neither of those hit. And then an otherwise unremarkable hand where I held AA and got the other two AA. $200 hit and I cashed out, up $180 or so. That was nice. I did a little bit of walking around on Fremont and then up to bed.

Day total: I think I won about $100 for the day.
Trip total: I realized an earlier post was a bit unclear about day total vs trip total. I知 still down about $1400 overall (after accounting for the $100 win today) but at least the past few days haven稚 been the bloodbath the first day was.

The good news is I still have a few LVA coupons to use. My goal for today is to use those up. There痴 probably $100 in value remaining to be realized.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
DJTeddyBear
DJTeddyBear
  • Threads: 207
  • Posts: 11006
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
Thanked by
MrCasinoGamesTinMancamapl
June 3rd, 2022 at 1:12:15 PM permalink
I知 loving this daily diary type trip report. I may do it myself on my next trip, which starts in 28 hours. 😁

The craps dealer asking for $1 could be because it was a crowded table and they want to make sure there痴 breathing room in the rail.

Asking for $15? All I can figure is a $30 place bet on 5/9 pays $35. Ask for 3 reds, give 2 greens
I invented a few casino games. Info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ 覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧 Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
camapl
June 3rd, 2022 at 3:44:23 PM permalink
Day 5A

Glad to hear people enjoy these trip reports! I tend to do a lot of the same things trip to trip so glad they aren稚 too repetitive.

Walked to MSS buffet. I was disappointed. The price was higher than what痴 listed on their website (they list $20 and it was $23). I know times have changed but it used to be like $16 for dinner and very good. The food was also disappointing by and large. The omelette was the worst I致e ever had. The cook cooked it in so much oil it was swimming in it. I知 glad it was on its own plate because the oil went everywhere. I ate some of it and felt gross immediately so I stopped. I normally never leave food at buffets. I don稚 want to waste food but I Had to leave like 90% of the omelette uneaten. Country fried steak was good, as was kielbasa. Fried chicken wasn稚 very crispy. Pork chop had potential but was over cooked. I never eat buffet pizza but I was looking for something and that was pretty good. Kalua pork and cabbage was good. Desserts were all bought. The soft serve was the best dessert item I had.

Walked to plaza. $25 match play lost. Converted $10 slot play Into $10. They had 96 JOB at the bar. I壇 never seen that before.

Walked to downtown grand. The good news is I used $50 match play on craps PL. first roll11, winner. Up $100. Normally I壇 walk but it was a $5 table and those are rare so I stayed. I should have walked. I ended up losing the $100 back plus another $160 out of pocket. All while betting $5 PL and $20-$30 odds. Worst part was the other table was going great. A guy kept yelling 土ou can稚 lose at this game! It痴 an ATM! Yelled that 3 times at least. That was rubbing salt in the wound as me and one other guy kept 7 ing out at our table.

My last reasonable coupon is $10-$100 slot play at El Cortez. I値l use that later today or tomorrow.

Back to 4Q for VP. I was up $50 at one point and then slowly dropped to a $100 loss. Almost hit a Royal on a hand where I held nothing.

Trip total: I think I知 down $1650 or so.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
smoothgrhcamapl
June 3rd, 2022 at 6:34:28 PM permalink
Day 5B

Wow, this was a weird afternoon.

I walked over to el Cortez. Converted $10 slot freeplay from LVA into $10 real cash. Saw their $10 Bacc table. I like Bacc sometimes so I sat down. Bet only banker for one shoe. Won $60. I was up $100 at one point but last four hands were all player.

I saw it was 4:40. knew plaza had a 5pm bingo game and I had a $25 matchplay. So I hustled over. Bought in for $40. There must have been no more than 15 people in the room. I致e played bingo at plaza maybe 10 sessions and never won anything. I was down maybe $400 lifetime for bingo. I got my two drinks and sat down. First few games I had a sweat twice but no luck. The payouts for the winners were between $60 and $100 or so. Nothing too crazy. Then one game was a cover-all. First time in my life I got it. Called our bingo! Dealer verified and paid me $750!! I have no idea why that game paid so much more. I tipped $10. No idea If that was a lot or a little. The next game was a 都econd chance. As the guy was walking away, I hit that as well. Had to split with someone else, but we each got $63. It was wild. So total of about $800 after buying in for $40. Wow.

I bought some snacks at the store next to the bingo hall. I like that place. Feels like a family business so I always try to get something.

Walked down and was halfway out the door when I thought 妬t痴 Friday. Let痴 see if the single zero roulette is open. I walked back and it was open. $15 min. I never play roulette but single zero is as good as it gets in Vegas (technically AC has a better game in high limit but I致e never played that either). Anyway, decided to take a shot for $100. I got nickels and bet the numbers my father likes: 11, 14, 17. I figured it痴 an expected loss of $2.70 and could be fun. Anyway, I never hit anything and lost the $100. But it was a fun diversion for a bit.

Trip total: I think I知 down about $1000 at this point. I gotta say, I知 ok with that. I got all 5 hotel nights comped and some meals comped so $1000 down isn稚 bad. Still 36 hours left to go so things could change.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
camapl
June 3rd, 2022 at 7:47:52 PM permalink
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
June 3rd, 2022 at 7:49:10 PM permalink
I don稚 see a page for this on WOO. I know Mike says if he has the rack card he can do the analysis. Maybe he can analyze this? I saw it at Binions. Empty table. No idea If this is better or worse than regular face up pai gow?
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
SiegfriedRoy
SiegfriedRoy
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 487
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
June 3rd, 2022 at 8:00:54 PM permalink
Quote: TinMan

Day 5B

Called our bingo! Dealer verified and paid me $750!! I have no idea why that game paid so much more. I tipped $10. No idea If that was a lot or a little. The next game was a 都econd chance. As the guy was walking away, I hit that as well. Had to split with someone else, but we each got $63. It was wild. So total of about $800 after buying in for $40. Wow.

link to original post



Good Hit. Bingo is my guilty pleasure. I take my in-laws all the time, but I think I secretly enjoy it more than they do.

When you were at Downtown Grand, did you happen to see a $1 blackjack table? Also at the $5 craps table, was it 3X,4X, 5X odds?

Thanks again for the report.
SiegfriedRoy
SiegfriedRoy
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 487
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
Thanked by
camapl
June 3rd, 2022 at 8:03:33 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I知 loving this daily diary type trip report. I may do it myself on my next trip, which starts in 28 hours. 😁

link to original post



Yes please. That would be fantastic.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
June 3rd, 2022 at 9:12:00 PM permalink
Quote: SiegfriedRoy

Quote: TinMan

Day 5B

Called our bingo! Dealer verified and paid me $750!! I have no idea why that game paid so much more. I tipped $10. No idea If that was a lot or a little. The next game was a 都econd chance. As the guy was walking away, I hit that as well. Had to split with someone else, but we each got $63. It was wild. So total of about $800 after buying in for $40. Wow.

link to original post



Good Hit. Bingo is my guilty pleasure. I take my in-laws all the time, but I think I secretly enjoy it more than they do.

When you were at Downtown Grand, did you happen to see a $1 blackjack table? Also at the $5 craps table, was it 3X,4X, 5X odds?

Thanks again for the report.
link to original post



I didn稚 look for the $1 BJ but I do recall seeing a sign for it. I assume there痴 some sort of catch, like an ante or even money BJ

The craps sign at DG didn稚 list max odds. I asked the dealer and he said 10x. There was a guy who looked to be betting more on odds. From my eye, looked like $10 PL and like $200 odds but I could have been mistaken.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
MrCasinoGamescamapl
June 4th, 2022 at 6:35:36 AM permalink
Rest of Day 5

Saw an empty $10 craps table at 4Q. Played for awhile and the table was going Ok. I was conservative with odds after getting burned all week. I rolled the dice and I知 sure I hit 5 points and possibly 6. One point I didn稚 have any odds, most of the points I had $20 and one point I put out the full $50 (5x). After I rolled there was another 7 out and I colored up. Despite the conservative odds, I won $200.

I walked around a bit and saw the new PGP game at Binions (the one I posted the rack card for). Didn稚 play but If the odds are similar to regular PGP I壇 play in the future. It was only $10 table.

Back to 4 Queens for dinner. BOGO coupon and got open faced turkey and turkey club. Probably too much turkey but they were good dishes. The club had relatively little turkey in it though. Comp picked up the balance after the BOGO coupon applied.

Back to VP. For the first time there were two guys playing the double bonus so I had to squeeze in to get a seat. I hate being crowded but I wanted to play. Eventually one guy gets up and I take his seat so I had some more room. I started out dropping $100 before rallying. 3 FOAK and I got the $100 back plus $60. I was feeling sleeping and the casino felt hot and smoky so I cashed out and came up to the room.

It was a good day for gambling. Today I fly back on an evening flight so I have a lot of time left.

Trip total: I think I知 down about $750 overall.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
Dieter
Administrator
Dieter
  • Threads: 16
  • Posts: 5609
Joined: Jul 23, 2014
June 4th, 2022 at 8:31:35 AM permalink
Quote: TinMan


link to original post



Any chance the back of the card lists other information, like the various payout odds?
May the cards fall in your favor.
rsactuary
rsactuary
  • Threads: 29
  • Posts: 2315
Joined: Sep 6, 2014
June 4th, 2022 at 9:35:33 AM permalink
AGS doesn't even list this on their website anymore.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
Dietercamapl
June 4th, 2022 at 9:58:06 AM permalink
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
PlayYourCardsRight
PlayYourCardsRight
  • Threads: 10
  • Posts: 239
Joined: Dec 29, 2011
Thanked by
camapl
June 4th, 2022 at 7:14:18 PM permalink
Great trip report. Not bringing my laptop, but will be there Sunday Wednesday this week. Will attempt the same for the first time (trip report, not Vegas).
PlayYourCardsRight
PlayYourCardsRight
  • Threads: 10
  • Posts: 239
Joined: Dec 29, 2011
June 4th, 2022 at 7:14:24 PM permalink
Great trip report. Not bringing my laptop, but will be there Sunday Wednesday this week. Will attempt the same for the first time (trip report, not Vegas).
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
MrCasinoGamessmoothgrhcamapl
June 4th, 2022 at 8:34:54 PM permalink
Final Day

Walked to Donut Bar and got coffee and two donuts. Sat in the backyard. I like that place a lot.

I was going to just walk back but the EL Cortez is right there. I saw single deck BJ for $10 (used to be $5). Sat down. They used automatic shuffler in an awkward location. Dealer was flashing bottom cars every single time. Easy as day to see. I致e never attempted anything like this before but it was easy to cut a card in or out of the deck. I cut out 23456; random cut for 78 and cut in 910A. That has to cut down the house edge materially, especially when I cut out small cards. Anyway, didn稚 do me any good. Lost $100 but it was fun. I知 surprised they didn稚 have better game security for a place I致e heard is sweaty.

Back to 4Q. Won $75 back at VP. Checked out of hotel room.

Walked to golden nugget for poker. At one point up $70. Then dwindled down a bit. Key hand had JJ. Raise to $15. Straddle and 1 other call. 9102. Bet $15. One call. Turn 4. Bet $30 and he goes all in. I have $125 and pot was $130 before his all in. So basically getting 2:1. I really suspected he had a junky 2 pair. Should have folded but called anyway. He had 94 and River no help. Should have folded. Felt foolish.

Back to magnolias for lunch. Burger. It was good.

Back to VP. The good news is I earned so much in Sklansky dollars. 3 times four to a RF. 4 AAA draws. Several times held 2 and ended up with 4 to a Royal. Many other big draws but didn稚 hit. Spent several hours there and lost $180. Good news is I got like $50 in freeplay due to a promotion. Plus $40 cash in comps.

Heading to airport. Will submit some additional thoughts later. Overall, I think I lost about $1100. Maybe slightly more less. I知 ok with that.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
PokerGrinder
PokerGrinder
  • Threads: 26
  • Posts: 5058
Joined: Apr 30, 2015
June 4th, 2022 at 10:00:15 PM permalink
Thanks for the TR I really enjoyed it.
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. Amarillo Slim Preston
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
camaplMrCasinoGames
June 5th, 2022 at 7:30:31 PM permalink
Final Thoughts and Random Stories I Forgot to Mention

Total Drinks: 24
Total Meal Comps Received: $46

Some of the casinos had a much stronger smell that I remembered (the piped in smell, not like smoke/dirty smell). I remembered Plaza had a strong smell, but some other places did as well. I think it's too much. I don't like it.

If I was a casino exec, I'd put in Quadruple 0 roulette immediately. The 000 tables were often packed. People couldn't wait to shovel their money away.

Played BJ for a bit with a father, his 21-year old son and son's friend. Handheld double deck game at Fremont. The kids were too shy to ask questions, so one time one of them stayed on an 8 (he didn't know how to ask for a card) and another time the other kid stayed on an 11 (he was worried about busting). It was a $10 game so they didn't lose too much, but still--would have been better for them to be at a face up game to help reduce some of the more egregious mistakes. People were cool about it. I feel like in Atlantic City someone at the table would have erupted.

Regular Pai Gow seems to be gone. I didn't see it anywhere. It was all face up. I don't really like face up pai gow poker. I think it's less fun. I also think that it takes longer--people stare at their hands more and try to figure out the right way to play a hand, since at times you do have to do things that are unothodox--eg. at one point, my hand was something like AAQ7542. Normally I'd play Q7 in the low hand, but dealer had something like Flush/K3, so I had to split the AA. That is a positive result for the player, but overall I was more worried about making a silly mistake.

El Cortez put in a stadium gaming section. It was shoehorned in. It's in an awkward place near the table games and it disrupted the flow of foot traffic. I had to detour around because it was too hard to walk through, even when no one was playing. All of the seats were on top of each other and surrounded by slots in haphazard places.

It's a bummer that MSS removed their 100.17% DB VP games. I think the $2 scratch cards for 4OAK are gone too. I really enjoyed playing DB there pre-COVID. Just a really comfortable place to play VP for a few hours.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
camapl
camapl 
  • Threads: 8
  • Posts: 426
Joined: Jun 22, 2010
June 5th, 2022 at 8:13:22 PM permalink
Thanks for the report, TM! I actually went back and read some of your prior threads, and enjoyed those as well!

Given how you feel about Face Up vs. PGP, I was surprised to see your interest in the Dealer Open(?) version for which you posted an info card. (Was that this thread or the one from last year?) It痴 similar to Face Up, but you lose on dealer痴 2 or more Jacks instead of pushing on A-high Pai Gow. I suppose someone wouldn稚 know for sure till they tried it Or maybe, like me, you池e curious to see if the HE is lower than on Face Up?
Expectation is the root of all heartache.
TinMan
TinMan
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 450
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
Thanked by
camapl
June 5th, 2022 at 8:21:43 PM permalink
Quote: camapl

Thanks for the report, TM! I actually went back and read some of your prior threads, and enjoyed those as well!

Given how you feel about Face Up vs. PGP, I was surprised to see your interest in the Dealer Open(?) version for which you posted an info card. (Was that this thread or the one from last year?) It痴 similar to Face Up, but you lose on dealer痴 2 or more Jacks instead of pushing on A-high Pai Gow. I suppose someone wouldn稚 know for sure till they tried it Or maybe, like me, you池e curious to see if the HE is lower than on Face Up?
link to original post



Thank you!

That's a fair question. Honestly, it initially got my attention because it was a $10 table and I never see PGP for $10. I was looking for a place to kill some time for low stakes and that seemed perfect. Most other PGP downtown had $25 mins. There's probably $15 somewhere downtown, but I didn't remember seeing it, so $10 seemed really low. The dealer mentioned the novel JJ mechanism. I assumed the HE would be similar to other variants and wanted to confirm on WOO, but for the first time with a table game I didn't find a WOO page for it.
If anyone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
camapl
camapl 
  • Threads: 8
  • Posts: 426
Joined: Jun 22, 2010
June 5th, 2022 at 9:00:34 PM permalink
The extent of my calculations on Dealer Open Pai Gow are some probabilities

Dealer has
Pair Jacks 7.4225%
Trip Jacks 0.5498%
Quad Jacks 0.0120%

2+ Jacks 7.9843%

As you can see, the vast majority of 都pecial hands are the marginal Pair of Jacks hands. I壇 be interested to know how all of these would break down normally, as each of these become losers in this variant.

Perhaps Wizard can put this on his to do list
Expectation is the root of all heartache.
  • Jump to: