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September 19th, 2021 at 1:58:27 PM permalink
As most APs outside of vegas know, it usually involves quite a bit of driving. I'm an endurant driver but it gets tedious.
Looking for some feedback on this:

Financially:
I've been crunching some numbers recently, and the monthly payments on a TESLA model 3 are not too much more than what I spend on gas with my gas-guzzling Beemer. While most casinos now have EV charging spots in the parking lot.

Effort/Timesavings:
Autopilot, or just Autosteer seems quite appealing to me. I consider time spent focused on the road 50% non-productive, (I'm sometimes listening to podcasts or making some calls). If I leave it on autosteer in the highway parts, then I can do something more productive like emails/accounting/ learning/practicing indices...Etc or just rest a bit more.

Risk:
Charging stations: The range of Teslas isn't much worse than what I get with my gas car (350 miles), but charging stations are not as common as gas stations. I'm in California and it doesn't seem to be an issue here but I wonder if I traveled outside if it would come up.

I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on a Model 3 order but wondering if fellow APs have some experiences?
Note: Apologies if this doesn't fit the topic category, not sure which forum topic it should go into.
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September 19th, 2021 at 2:55:28 PM permalink
Most APs do in fact have teslas for many of the same reasons you outline. Overall if it's in your budget go for it?
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September 19th, 2021 at 3:51:53 PM permalink
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. If I leave it on autosteer in the highway parts, then I can do something more productive like emails/accounting/ learning/practicing indices...Etc or just rest a bit more.

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That is a good way to get yourself killed and hopefully states will soon take drivers licenses away for such behavior. Even on autopilot a pilot cannot just ignore the plane. A car has much more that a person needs to pay attention to. I honestly do not get these people that think self driving cars will let them totally check out from driving.
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September 19th, 2021 at 5:51:52 PM permalink
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That is a good way to get yourself killed and hopefully states will soon take drivers licenses away for such behavior. Even on autopilot a pilot cannot just ignore the plane. A car has much more that a person needs to pay attention to. I honestly do not get these people that think self driving cars will let them totally check out from driving.

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    Its about a slow accumulation of being able to do other activities while cars have features that lessen the need for constant intervention.

    For example, your car probably has cruise control (likely even adaptive cruise control), and you probably use it every time that you drive. If your right foot is not constantly hovering over the brake pedal, you are technically putting people at risk. But, like most people you probably use it to stretch your legs, scratch your ankles, maybe even change your shoes. Its a risk that you take.

    There are more modern features that allow even less driver interaction, and if you can divert this interaction to other endeavors it can be used productively. Driving is a big drain on time, and if that time in the car can be used to focus on other activities, it can benefit everyone (or at the very least cause more enjoyment for yourself). This does not mean that you pay zero attention to the road (I don't know a ton about Teslas, but I think similar cars have cameras that can autocheck if your eyes are where they should be, and will pretty quickly stop you if you are not responding to pings), but not having to use every movement for the purpose of driving can allow for other tasks even while remaining vigilant.

    Even before cruise control, you could (and people did) make the same argument about the transition to automatic vehicles. People said automatic vehicle would be dangerous because people would be less involved than manual and people would get lazy/careless, even though it simply allowed you to occasionally use one hand (and have less strain on one leg) without being bound to one task while driving.... Anytime there is a massive transition that allows less attention/control people are skeptical. I am sure if you go really far back you can probably find similar arguments in the early 1900s during the transition from horses to cars.
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    September 19th, 2021 at 6:42:31 PM permalink
    You shouldn't change your shoes while using boring cruise control or teslas autopilot. You're legally and ethically required to be attentive at all times when using boring cruise control or advanced autopilot systems. Cruise does allow you to stretch yourself out a bit, while hovering your foot over the brake. You should also be engaging cruise in places like the south west where the traffic is mostly steady and not many on ramps. You shouldn't be using cruise in towns or busy highways.
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    September 19th, 2021 at 6:42:43 PM permalink
    Quote: tyler498


    Risk:
    Charging stations: The range of Teslas isn't much worse than what I get with my gas car (350 miles), but charging stations are not as common as gas stations. I'm in California and it doesn't seem to be an issue here but I wonder if I traveled outside if it would come up.

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    My understanding is that the quick charge adds about 200 miles of range, not 350.
    If you're routing from supercharger to supercharger, this may be a factor.

    A 15 minute break every 3 hours of driving probably isn't a horrible idea, but liquid fuels are more like a 5 minute break (fuel only; 9 minutes average with washroom & snack resupply) every 6 hours. This should be considered.

    I do see EV chargers of various flavors along most major routes. The farther off the beaten path your travels take you, the more troubles you should expect.
    May the cards fall in your favor.
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    September 19th, 2021 at 6:52:09 PM permalink
    Quote: Dieter

    Quote: tyler498


    Risk:
    Charging stations: The range of Teslas isn't much worse than what I get with my gas car (350 miles), but charging stations are not as common as gas stations. I'm in California and it doesn't seem to be an issue here but I wonder if I traveled outside if it would come up.

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    My understanding is that the quick charge adds about 200 miles of range, not 350.
    If you're routing from supercharger to supercharger, this may be a factor.

    A 15 minute break every 3 hours of driving probably isn't a horrible idea, but liquid fuels are more like a 5 minute break (fuel only; 9 minutes average with washroom & snack resupply) every 6 hours. This should be considered.

    I do see EV chargers of various flavors along most major routes. The farther off the beaten path your travels take you, the more troubles you should expect.
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    I meant 350 is what my gas car gives me, which isn't that much more than a TESLA.
    And if the range allows it, I'm thinking I will very rarely need to go to a supercharger. Most of my charging would be at a casino parking lot. So saving the 5 mins stops and small detours to fill-up.
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    September 19th, 2021 at 6:58:11 PM permalink
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    Quote: AZDuffman

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    That is a good way to get yourself killed and hopefully states will soon take drivers licenses away for such behavior. Even on autopilot a pilot cannot just ignore the plane. A car has much more that a person needs to pay attention to. I honestly do not get these people that think self driving cars will let them totally check out from driving.

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    Its about a slow accumulation of being able to do other activities while cars have features that lessen the need for constant intervention.

    For example, your car probably has cruise control (likely even adaptive cruise control), and you probably use it every time that you drive. If your right foot is not constantly hovering over the brake pedal, you are technically putting people at risk. But, like most people you probably use it to stretch your legs, scratch your ankles, maybe even change your shoes. Its a risk that you take.

    There are more modern features that allow even less driver interaction, and if you can divert this interaction to other endeavors it can be used productively. Driving is a big drain on time, and if that time in the car can be used to focus on other activities, it can benefit everyone (or at the very least cause more enjoyment for yourself). This does not mean that you pay zero attention to the road (I don't know a ton about Teslas, but I think similar cars have cameras that can autocheck if your eyes are where they should be, and will pretty quickly stop you if you are not responding to pings), but not having to use every movement for the purpose of driving can allow for other tasks even while remaining vigilant.

    Even before cruise control, you could (and people did) make the same argument about the transition to automatic vehicles. People said automatic vehicle would be dangerous because people would be less involved than manual and people would get lazy/careless, even though it simply allowed you to occasionally use one hand (and have less strain on one leg) without being bound to one task while driving.... Anytime there is a massive transition that allows less attention/control people are skeptical. I am sure if you go really far back you can probably find similar arguments in the early 1900s during the transition from horses to cars.
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    This ^^
    Also, Autopilot might not be perfect, but it is already way better and safer than the average human driver. So anyone who uses it is doing the road a favor by reducing risks associated with human driving.
    I get so annoyed when people point to imperfections of autonomous driving systems and suggest that for safety we should wait for them to be perfect before we rely on them. Meanwhile, we allow humans to drive and cause a mind blowing 1.35 millions deaths a year.
    If one cares about safety, I'd expect a bigger sense of urgency trying to get the humans out of the driver seat.
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    September 19th, 2021 at 7:44:19 PM permalink
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    I meant 350 is what my gas car gives me, which isn't that much more than a TESLA.
    And if the range allows it, I'm thinking I will very rarely need to go to a supercharger. Most of my charging would be at a casino parking lot. So saving the 5 mins stops and small detours to fill-up.

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    I understood 350 miles as a liquid fuel range.
    Recalculating from 350 miles between fuel stops to 200 miles between charging stops is a thing.
    If you're the kind of player who may not stay long enough to allow the car to fully charge, that's a consideration as well.

    It's less of an issue if you're not randomly driving coast to coast in pursuit of opportunity. If you're regularly in the same region, you can work out the routes with chargers at useful intervals.
    May the cards fall in your favor.
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    September 19th, 2021 at 10:59:50 PM permalink
    Tesla did a good job of putting superchargers across the country. Youtubers have demonstrated this. The only drawback that i see is that you cant make a unexpected uturn if you drove over 50% range. You have to reach the next supercharger to make a uturn. You wont have the freedom to take improvised backroads.

    I dont have a tesla but I considered one.
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