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September 20th, 2021 at 3:04:35 PM permalink
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Gambler or card counter? I dont think a gambler has to worry.

They will analyze big winners for card counting. But if your a big gambler, they'd probably give you a host and comps.

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    gambler. So, in your case, as you mentioned you were worried you may be asked to back off, you're a card counter. Correct?
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    Correct, Im a card counter.
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    Are you a successful card counter? Do you have basic strategy down pat? How many indices do you normally use?
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    I have succeeded at card counting with 180 days of play. I havnt played but only a week in the past 6 years due to my occupation and location. I do basic strategy perfectly. I use the illustrious 18 and a few more.
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    I usually used four, sometimes six.
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    September 20th, 2021 at 3:22:51 PM permalink
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    It seems from a number of posts I've read on gambling forums, that a winning gambler needs to be careful about how much he wins, lest he get the back off protocol from the casinos. The question is, when will the casinos implement that protocol?

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    They publish their earnings as a shareholder report every 6 months.
    The smallest number I see on the report is $0.1 million.

    If you're not winning $50,000 every six months, your action is barely a rounding error.

    I think the people watching you in a public place were perhaps thinking about something else.
    May the cards fall in your favor.
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    September 20th, 2021 at 3:25:00 PM permalink
    The biggest threat to a counter is a newly appointed pitboss who wants to impress his superiors.
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    September 20th, 2021 at 5:54:50 PM permalink
    I know of a two casinos where surveillance personnel will walk the floor dressed in plain clothes and just observe. Itís something of a perk it lets the surveillance people get out of the room for awhile.
    The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
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    September 20th, 2021 at 5:54:50 PM permalink
    I know of a two casinos where surveillance personnel will walk the floor dressed in plain clothes and just observe. Itís something of a perk it lets the surveillance people get out of the room for awhile.
    The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
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    September 20th, 2021 at 6:20:22 PM permalink
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    They publish their earnings as a shareholder report every 6 months.
    The smallest number I see on the report is $0.1 million.

    If you're not winning $50,000 every six months, your action is barely a rounding error.

    I think the people watching you in a public place were perhaps thinking about something else.

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    That's interesting, and thankyou. Whilst at the tables, I can't help but notice the amount of cash hitting the tables and going straight down the dealer's tube! It would be an incredible amount. I don't recall many people whose chip count was increasing. what does that say about the situation? a lot of money going one way fast, and it's not to the players. They need some way to pay off the Dawg 😀
    All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
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    September 20th, 2021 at 6:29:47 PM permalink
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    The biggest threat to a counter is a newly appointed pitboss who wants to impress his superiors.

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    I got talking one time about the situation. I mentioned basic strategy. the dealer didn't know what it was! the pit boss was nearby and she asked him if he knew about basic strategy? a quick terse reply: "no!" i told the dealer i found it very hard to believe the pit boss didn't know about basic strategy.

    later, i was still playing, as i play for a considerable amount of time, relatively to other players. i noticed the pit boss out of the corner of my eye. all of a sudden he turns swiftly around and stares at me. i gather this is just part of the paranoia of some casino staff, just because i mentioned basic strategy and was talking about gambling, and playing for a decent amount of time.
    All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
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    September 20th, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM permalink
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    That's interesting, and thankyou. Whilst at the tables, I can't help but notice the amount of cash hitting the tables and going straight down the dealer's tube! It would be an incredible amount.

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    Possibly of interest:
    https://www.crownresorts.com.au/Investors-Media/Financial-Results

    Highlights: Perth table games revenue for year ending 30 June 2021 $171.7 million
    May the cards fall in your favor.
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    September 20th, 2021 at 8:36:09 PM permalink
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    Possibly of interest:
    https://www.crownresorts.com.au/Investors-Media/Financial-Results

    Highlights: Perth table games revenue for year ending 30 June 2021 $171.7 million

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    thanks dieter. you know there's recently been a storm in the media about Crown. you may have heard of Kerry Packer. he was a very wealthy media tycoon here in australia (the richest man in australia) and he had a penchant for gambling. he is well known in some gambling circles still, in the US. he used to go to the US before gambling made its mark in Australia. US$300,000 a hand on some days! all cash bundles! apparently he was the biggest gambler in the US at the time. and he tipped seriously. some dealers were tipped houses, i believe!

    anyway, getting back to Crown, Kerry Packer left a considerable estate to his two children - his son and daughter. his son, james packer, created Crown Casinos in Australia and he also partnered with a chinese tycoon in Macau. he's recently pulled out of his gambling ventures and just runs the resorts side of things.

    so where am i going with this? well, you mentioned Crown Perth profits on the table games. recently there have been reports from investigations into Crown, that they were seriously bleeding money from their poker machines in Perth. what the investigation uncovered is that the machines were then adjusted to make them run faster, to stop the money bleeding. unfortunately, the government casino regulator here allowed the increased speed of the games without considering the effect on the potential addicts. needless to say the addicts/community missed out big time. the investigation is currently ongoing and it's certainly shaken Crown up, and the government regulator.

    The same kind of investigation upended the scene for Crown Melbourne. Crown Melbourne lost a lot of reputation and were exposed big time for supporting Asian crime gangs. At least things have come to light. that's one good thing.
    All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
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    September 20th, 2021 at 9:12:06 PM permalink
    Were there more inquiries into triad affiliation beyond the Vancouver model money laundering scheme?

    I know there was an order to cease most VIP enticements, which were likely supporting the operation.

    (My recent awareness of triad activities is mostly limited to "Did the restaurant get a delivery of the good seafood today?", so I'm a bit out of touch.)
    May the cards fall in your favor.

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