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MrV
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March 30th, 2021 at 8:44:53 PM permalink
Their music was a bit of an acquired taste, certainly not traditional arena rock.

Fact is, I don't think it holds up that well, at least in comparison to others, and I rarely spin my old Dead LP's.

But I do tune in for my dose of the Dead starting noon Saturdays on KBOO FM, Portland.

Man, there are some uber-hard core Dead heads running those broadcasts, they talk about the quality of shows at particular venues and dates the way sommeliers yak about wine.

As with music and wine it's an acquired taste.
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terapined
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March 30th, 2021 at 9:29:12 PM permalink
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Man, there are some uber-hard core Dead heads running those broadcasts, they talk about the quality of shows at particular venues and dates the way sommeliers yak about wine.


Yea, I'm one of those
In a way more fanatic
A taper lol

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Well tomorrow is moving day
Moving to the Reno area to spend a week there
Any suggestions?
Any particular casinos I should check out for whatever reason.
No interest in Bac. Anybody that plays bac is donating to the casino
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March 30th, 2021 at 9:33:47 PM permalink
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Anybody that plays bac is donating to the casino



If there is no skill in playing baccarat, how do you explain the same people winning the bac tournaments in Vegas every year. If it's total luck and no skill different people would win every year. But they don't, it's always the same small group of people, the skilled and talented ones who know how to beat the game.
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MrV
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March 30th, 2021 at 9:46:39 PM permalink
So, it takes skill to play and win at baccarat?

What specific type of skill is required, specifically?

What do these "skilled and talented ones" know and do that clueless ploppies are ignorant of?

*gets pen and paper, prepares to take detailed notes*
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EvenBob
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March 31st, 2021 at 12:06:56 AM permalink
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So, it takes skill to play and win at baccarat?



If no skill is involved, why do the same people win the big tournaments. If it's only luck, anybody could win. Yet they don't. Some of the biggest casinos in Macau have 800 bac tables of which 400 of them are active at any one time. With that many people playing do you honestly think they are all depending on luck? Of the four hundred tables that are active some of them are crowded and some of them have no players at all, sometimes for an entire shift. The crowded tables all have one thing in common. The shoes that are being dealt are what some of the better players are looking for. If there was no skill involved, every shoe would look the same to the players and every table would have an equal chance of being a winner. This is true for roulette, it is not true in baccarat. Can you imagine being a dealer in one of these casinos and having nobody play at your table for an entire shift? Happens all the time.
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MrV
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March 31st, 2021 at 12:19:40 AM permalink
The tournaments you talk about: do they take place in Macao, Las Vegas, or elsewhere?

I've looked into baccarat and can not see how results can be determined by anything other than chance; please explain what forces are overcoming the math.

Thanks.
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Mission146
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March 31st, 2021 at 5:19:38 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

If no skill is involved, why do the same people win the big tournaments. If it's only luck, anybody could win. Yet they don't. Some of the biggest casinos in Macau have 800 bac tables of which 400 of them are active at any one time. With that many people playing do you honestly think they are all depending on luck? Of the four hundred tables that are active some of them are crowded and some of them have no players at all, sometimes for an entire shift. The crowded tables all have one thing in common. The shoes that are being dealt are what some of the better players are looking for. If there was no skill involved, every shoe would look the same to the players and every table would have an equal chance of being a winner. This is true for roulette, it is not true in baccarat. Can you imagine being a dealer in one of these casinos and having nobody play at your table for an entire shift? Happens all the time.



Being able to beat a negative expectation game and consistently winning tournaments at negative expectation games are not the same thing. I would imagine (but have not played a Baccarat tournament) that it's a combination of surviving the early rounds and then betting sufficiently aggressively in the final round. I would also imagine that you would want to take the opposite side (Player/Banker) of as many people with more chips than you have (assuming you're not in the lead) as you can.

In any case, I reiterate that I have no experience playing a Baccarat tournament.

But, I imagine it's like Craps where a person might have a strategy that makes him/her more likely to win tournaments...doesn't change that Craps is a -EV game.

I almost finished in the money in the only Blackjack tournament I ever played, for which there were hundreds (or more) participants as it was free. My strategy was simply to bet as aggressively as possible since your starting chips exceeded the maximum bet with room for splits and doubles. I think I also split 10's against dealer 5's or 6's in order to get as many chips as I could out there.

I don't remember the exact rules as this was several years ago...but I think it was something like everyone played 20 or 25 initial hands and then it was just the highest ending chip totals got paid. Only one round of play.

***I seem to recall that the winner of the tournament had almost quintupled up relative to starting chips...which was nearly the equivalent of winning every single hand had he or she been flat betting the max...hence my super aggressive strategy and the goal to get as many chips out there as was reasonable (in my estimation) for the situation.
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March 31st, 2021 at 5:56:42 AM permalink
Bodie, CA is about 140 miles from Reno, never been but see if it looks like something you might enjoy
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Mission146
March 31st, 2021 at 8:19:35 AM permalink
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Being able to beat a negative expectation game and consistently winning tournaments at negative expectation games are not the same thing.

This should be completely obvious. Also, if the same people keep entering, and they know how to play tournament style, well then, we should see the same people winning more often.
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terapined
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March 31st, 2021 at 8:19:42 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

The tournaments you talk about: do they take place in Macao, Las Vegas, or elsewhere?

I've looked into baccarat and can not see how results can be determined by anything other than chance; please explain what forces are overcoming the math.

Thanks.


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I agree
Its impossible to win at Bac consistently
Anybody that plays bac is a loser
I like to gamble at thinking games
Bac aint one of them
Its essentially betting on a coin flip
You got to be a complete idiot to believe anybody that says they win at Bac
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