The Adventures of Axelwolf
Quote: DeMangoHave we ruled out Coach is Rob Singer?
Yes I ruled it out. Is that good enough for you?
Do you actually understand what the challenge is? Why does it matter if it's determined real or fake. THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, HE CLAIMS NO ON CAN FAKE IT so it must all be real. Please explain how you interpret it. It seems simple to me. One only need to post up a reasonable amount of pictures/video's of documents/ paperwork etc. that would make it seem as if that person was a high roller who owns various things and plays at higher levels. They will already know going in that it's a ruse. Everything could actually be real but just not belonging to the person presetting them. How do you propose the person guarantee he will be paid if successful.Quote: coachbellyI disagree.
In each case, the judges would have no confirmation bias.
The experts would judge if the evidence presented is authentic or fabricated.
Obviously it's not all going to be the same. If Someone posts up pictures of 5 Patek Philippe's or fake proof they own Lamborghinis then that seems like a reasonable trade off.
Why don't you ask him to clarify what he's requiring? Who do you think should determine if that person was successful.
edit to add, instead of just chiming in and basically trolling why not actually help nail down some reasonable terms to make something possible and stop with all the word games and BS that gets away from the actual intentions of the bets and challenges.
It could be faked easily, however, that wouldn't be acceptable as far as I'm concerned. Why do you focus on that method? That would be the least likely method I would choose personally. If cash in hand, or funds held by a trusted member isn't acceptable, then it seems as if something fishy is afoot.Quote: coachbellyCan your proof of deposit at the secret casino be faked?
You are disqualifying yourself from the challenge....for unspecified reasons.
Agreed?
Quote: AxelWolfDo you actually understand what the challenge is? Why does it matter if it's determined real or fake. THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, HE CLAIMS NO ON CAN FAKE IT so it must be real. Please explain how you interpret it
What's your point, that anyone can fake something to the level of authenticity of MDawg's evidence ?
Why should the judges know it's a ruse? Let them see the evidence without knowing whether it's faked or not.
Then they can judge the authenticity of the faked pictures/videos of documents/paperwork without prejudice and decide if they pass muster as authentic.
MDawg claims that his evidence is real, and no one can fake that much and have it be judged authentic.
Put your fake evidence together, and let the judges examine it.
I'll bet that the judges will recognize your documentation as faked.
Then have them examine MDawg's evidence, I'll bet they'll recognize his documentation as authentic.
There's definitely another explanation and it has nothing to do with a higher power and everything to do with the title of a video I seen recently.Quote: MDawgI guess somebody up there must like me then If there's no other explanation.
Sound good to me. Now, how do i guarantee Ill be paid if successful?Quote: coachbellyWhat's your point, that anyone can fake something to the level of authenticity of MDawg's evidence ?
Why should the judges know it's a ruse? Let them see the evidence without knowing whether it's faked or not.
Then they can judge the authenticity of the faked pictures/videos of documents/paperwork without prejudice and decide if they pass muster as authentic.
MDawg claims that his evidence is real, and no one can fake that much and have it be judged authentic.
Put your fake evidence together, and let the judges examine it.
I'll bet that the judges will recognize your documentation as faked.
Then have them examine MDawg's evidence, I'll bet they'll recognize his documentation as authentic.
Quote: AxelWolfWhy do you focus on that method?
Because that is the requirement of the challenge.
If you want to accept the challenge, then it's required that you deposit $50K at the cage in the casino where you will observe MDawg play.
I want you to observe MDawg's play.
In order to do that you must comply with his requirements, which are reasonable and without risk to you.
Those are the rules, if you don't like the rules then don't play.
Quote: AxelWolfSound good to me. Now, how do i guarantee Ill be paid if successful?
What conditions would guarantee your payment if successful?
Axel, you know how belly works. He will never stop his game playing. The only way this ends is if we all collectively ignore them. And it won't really end there, MDawg will keep bumping the thread because he needs the attention, but at that point he is talking to himself, which he pretty much is now anyway.
FYI I'm not getting into a long thing with you since you're not even the one who can make it possible. Anything I say I retain the right to change(We are just discussing possibilities). He will just read whatever I say and use what I'm willing to do, or not do, and then set his conditions in a manner he assumes I won't agree with.Quote: coachbellyWhat conditions would guarantee your payment if successful?
I'm not sure if you're asking me what conditions I'm requiring or what. Let me re ask my question. Assuming we come up with some reasonable terms regarding this challenge, there's time and effort involved, but I have no reasonable guarantee I'll get payed as of yet.
What do YOU and , or HE propose for a guarantee? And no, his word that he will pay isn't good enough. Very few people would think that's reasonable or acceptable. I think there's only a few obvious choices but lets see what you and he suggest.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm not sure if you're asking me what conditions I'm requiring or what.
You asked earlier....
Quote: AxelWolfhow do i guarantee Ill be paid if successful?
So yes, I am asking what conditions you would require to guarantee your payment.
And I'm asking YOU what YOU suggest.Quote: coachbellyYou asked earlier....
So yes, I am asking what conditions you would require to guarantee your payment.
Quote: kewljThe only way this ends is if we all collectively ignore them.
Maybe there can be a negotiated agreement.
It seems like there are opposing parties willing to meet under certain circumstances.
Don't rule that out, unless you are trying to stifle debate.
Quote: AxelWolfAnd I'm asking YOU what YOU suggest.
I suggest whatever both parties agree to.
But each party will need to supply a requirement from which negotiations can commence.
For the record...what do you require?
OBVIOUSLY, what both parties agree to. I'm asking that you give some suggestions of ways to insure the money will be paid. You seem to have input on just about everything else, so why do you seem to be avoiding this particular question? I think I have asked you a number of times now. Again, please give some suggestions. Ill start it off. There's some various smart contacts (I don't know much about them) that i believe work in some kind of blockchain and verify contract conditions are meet and pay the contract.Quote: coachbellyI suggest whatever both parties agree to.
But each party will need to supply a requirement from which negotiations can commence.
For the record...what do you require?
Innocent until proven guilty is not relevant here.
I truly see no other alternative.Quote: DeMangoSo we going to 200 pages on this bs???
May I suggest a good old fashioned duke fest in
an abandoned sun cracked desert parking lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRAiUPdRjk&ab_channel=mosesfly
Quote: rainmanI think the only resolution to this requires violence.
May I suggest a good old fashioned duke fest in
an abandoned sun cracked desert parking lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRAiUPdRjk&ab_channel=mosesfly
Great idea, but another 200 page thread.
More likely this (quick defeat followed by excuses):Quote: rainmanI think the only resolution to this requires violence.
May I suggest a good old fashioned duke fest in
an abandoned sun cracked desert parking lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRAiUPdRjk&ab_channel=mosesfly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqzAtS4hmuw
Quote: AxelWolfAgain, please give some suggestions.
I'm hopeful that some kind of challenge will happen, but I don't really care if anybody gets paid or not.
The only leverage you have over another member is their ability to post here, so ask the Wizard to assure that any welchers get banned.
Of course, you'll need to trust him to apply the penalty if the violation occurs.
But if you don't trust anybody, then I don't have any suggestions.
No wonder it seems that he is backing out of that wager. I believe he realizes he made a big mistake proposing that one, because he knows I am the real deal. But then, I contend that this is just one of a few times that AxelWolf has made a clear offer, claim or wager and then either backed out or added qualifications that amount to backing out when pressed to follow through.
Easy winning wager for me: It'll be like Money from home!
That's what I thought, you are just here to stir up sh*t on his behalf, just like you've been doing for years on the forums.... defending and trolling for guys like him. You seemed to have turned that into your own little annoying artform and reason for your existence.Quote: coachbellyI'm hopeful that some kind of challenge will happen, but I don't really care if anybody gets paid or not.
The only leverage you have over another member is their ability to post here, so ask the Wizard to assure that any welchers get banned.
Of course, you'll need to trust him to apply the penalty if the violation occurs.
But if you don't trust anybody, then I don't have any suggestions.
I figured you would be not willing to suggest something that would possibly exposes him as a BS'er, because you know he's is unlikely to actually take any solid steps or come up with anything reasonable for a legitimate bet/challenge to take place.
We are talking about a guy who seems to go out of his way to use VPN's across multiple forums and has had years to meet with someone...anyone...legitimate from the forums. According to him, he has been to Las Vegas multiple times for concordable lengths of time. He's managed to dodge meeting anyone. I don't expect that someone to be me, but, there's others here, like Mike, who even seems to like the guy and believes he 's a legitimate attorney and perhaps other thing's.
Everything about him seems similar to the fraudulent Baccarat79 character who also had some people fooled. He went though great lengths to do so. I'm not saying they are the same, but, I think it's highly likely to turn out the same.
I can't imagine there are too many people who would go though the time, trouble and effort to earn 5k knowing there's little chance of actually getting paid. Getting him banned isn't my goal, and it certainly wouldn't be sufficient enough to make up for the 5k he has offered.
My offer is $50. If you want it to be more answer my questions I already asked. My offer was meant for them, not you, as I said you could pull some funny business and gain an advantage.Quote: MDawgOut of all of these wagers, the simplest one is the one AxelWolf himself proposed. That I'm not playing the way I claim. How much is he willing to wager? I just show up, draw against my line as always and play the way I always do. You have how many session reports from me posted over the course of a few years? AxelWolf claims they are all falsified?
No wonder it seems that he is backing out of that wager. I believe he realizes he made a big mistake proposing that one, because he knows I am the real deal. But then, I contend that this is just one of a few times that AxelWolf has made a clear offer, claim or wager and then either backed out or added qualifications that amount to backing out when pressed to follow through.
Easy winning wager for me: It'll be like Money from home!
Quote: AxelWolfI figured you would be not willing to suggest something that would possibly exposes him as a BS'er
I don't have any suggestions that wouldn't involve you trusting another individual.
Have the Wizard hold the wagered money. Do you trust the Wizard to hold the money?
Quote: AxelWolfyou are just here to stir up sh*t on his behalf...I can't imagine there are too many people who would go though the time, trouble and effort to earn 5k knowing there's little chance of actually getting paid.
Who started sh*t with MDawg? It wasn't me.
I don't know what trouble you mean, but you've certainly put plenty of time and effort into giving MDawg grief, without earning any money from the exercise, and it seems that you undertook the task without the expectation of earning any money.
Now you're worried about getting paid, for doing what you have done for your own amusement, for how long?
and he wasn't asking for a penny to do it. Was apparently willing to "go through the trouble" for nothing just to prove his point. Now that I offered $5000. he seems to be making all sorts of excuses as to why he couldn't be bothered to do it.
And then here
he makes the wager, and claims that he "needs more free money" but when push comes to shove, states that all he is willing to wager is $50. 😇😃
Quote: AxelWolfMy offer is $50.
absent some qualifications he wants to impose.
It just gets back to what I have said, which is that he makes offers, claims and wagers, and then apparently thinks better of it, and later injects qualifications into the matter, where his original offer, claim and wager - either was unconditional, or clear on its face. I mean how clear and unconditional is it when you offer to buy a watch sight unseen for $5500. and make it clear you don't even care what brand it is?
Again, I suggest that he think things through, and only then step up with an offer, claim or wager. Otherwise, he just looks like he's backing out.
Well now, that's a good suggestion. It looks like we're getting somewhere. Yes, I do trust that he would hold the money and do the right thing. Now let's just see if MD is willing to put that money up. Even though the offer is him paying 5K, I'm willing to also let the wizard hold 10K of mine until there's some type of decision or agreement made so as long as his 5k is held as well.Quote: coachbellyI don't have any suggestions that wouldn't involve you trusting another individual.
Have the Wizard hold the wagered money. Do you trust the Wizard to hold the money?
SooPoo explained the situation fairly accurately.Quote: MDawgMore than true. His original claim was
and he wasn't asking for a penny to do it. Was apparently willing to "go through the trouble" for nothing just to prove his point. Now that I offered $5000. he seems to be making all sorts of excuses as to why he couldn't be bothered to do it.
And then here
he makes the wager, and claims that he "needs more free money" but when push comes to shove, states that all he is willing to wager is $50. 😇😃
absent some qualifications he wants to impose.
It just gets back to what I have said, which is that he makes offers, claims and wagers, and then apparently thinks better of it, and later injects qualifications into the matter, where his original offer, claim and wager - either was unconditional, or clear on its face. I mean how clear and unconditional is it when you offer to buy a watch sight unseen for $5500. and make it clear you don't even care what brand it is?
Again, I suggest that he think things through, and only then step up with an offer, claim or wager. Otherwise, he just looks like he's backing out.
I already said, I would consider wagering more if you answer my questions, why won't you answer?
Quote: kewljThese two threads should now be combined and the name changed to the never-ending troll of MDawg and coach belly.
Personal insult -- per the Martingale, seven days.
I am also closing this thread, since the same subject matter is discussed in THE ADVENTURES OF MDAWG.
