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November 3rd, 2018 at 3:56:24 PM permalink
Drake accuses Vancouver casino of racial profiling http://tinyurl.com/ycvbpkpv

“We are required to adhere to strict regulations with respect to gaming in British Columbia. We are actively investigating this matter and have made several efforts to reach out to the guest and his team to discuss the issue. We are committed to having a productive conversation to resolve the issue."

CTV Vancouver previously reported that B.C. casinos were a popular place for money laundering linked to organized crime.

The province recently tightened laws to tackle the problem. Now players who want to buy in for $10,000 or more in one or more transactions within a 24-hour period must provide a source of funds receipt.

The original receipt must be from the same day of the transaction and show the financial institution, branch number and account number.

It is unclear whether this was an issue in the Friday night incident.
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November 3rd, 2018 at 8:10:58 PM permalink
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Drake accuses Vancouver casino of racial profiling http://tinyurl.com/ycvbpkpv



The province recently tightened laws to tackle the problem. Now players who want to buy in for $10,000 or more in one or more transactions within a 24-hour period must provide a source of funds receipt.

The original receipt must be from the same day of the transaction and show the financial institution, branch number and account number.



Wow Canada is a screwed up place. Big Brother is all over the Canadians. That crap wouldn't fly in the US.
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November 4th, 2018 at 1:39:55 AM permalink
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Drake accuses Vancouver casino of racial profiling http://tinyurl.com/ycvbpkpv

“We are required to adhere to strict regulations with respect to gaming in British Columbia. We are actively investigating this matter and have made several efforts to reach out to the guest and his team to discuss the issue. We are committed to having a productive conversation to resolve the issue."

CTV Vancouver previously reported that B.C. casinos were a popular place for money laundering linked to organized crime.

The province recently tightened laws to tackle the problem. Now players who want to buy in for $10,000 or more in one or more transactions within a 24-hour period must provide a source of funds receipt.

The original receipt must be from the same day of the transaction and show the financial institution, branch number and account number.

It is unclear whether this was an issue in the Friday night incident.



This is not the first time he's accused a business publicly of racism towards him.


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November 4th, 2018 at 4:06:07 AM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Wow Canada is a screwed up place. Big Brother is all over the Canadians. That crap wouldn't fly in the US.



Those same regulations will be coming to the U.S. shortly. Even today in the U,S, casinos are required to report the source of funds where the patron is getting the cash from if it is over $10,000. It is called the KYP program (Know Your Patron) and the patrons occupation needs to be entered on the CTR that is filed.
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November 4th, 2018 at 5:34:33 AM permalink
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Those same regulations will be coming to the U.S. shortly. Even today in the U,S, casinos are required to report the source of funds where the patron is getting the cash from if it is over $10,000. It is called the KYP program (Know Your Patron) and the patrons occupation needs to be entered on the CTR that is filed.


I thought it was KYC Know Your Customer. Maybe just a different sheep in wolf's clothing, as the saying goes.

DRich, speaking of CTRs, what's the deal with them again, anywho? I vaguely remember a post, I think by you, saying that if a CTR is filed (for cashing out) and the patron refuses to give up ID and/or SSN, they still have to pay the patron, is that right? And as a patron, it's legal to refuse that stuff? Or maybe this is fake news and I'm mis-remembering stuff. =\ I assume KYC/KYP isn't necessary when doing a cash-out, at least as far as occupation and all that stuff?



Speaking of which, some years ago I remember trying to put up front money at a casino that was going to trigger a CTR or at least required the KYC s***. They wanted my occupation, so I wrote something generic, like "investor" and they wanted business information, this and that and etc. I was like no, no business, just me investing my own money. They weren't too thrilled about my "non-answer" and weren't having any of that. I said fine...what's the next biggest casino around here, I'm gonna go gamble there....and lo and behold, their attitude changed and told me to write "personal investor" (or something equally stupid) for occupation and accepted it. All that KYC stuff is a load of crap, they should get rid of it. Argh.
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November 4th, 2018 at 5:40:52 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Those same regulations will be coming to the U.S. shortly. Even today in the U,S, casinos are required to report the source of funds where the patron is getting the cash from if it is over $10,000. It is called the KYP program (Know Your Patron) and the patrons occupation needs to be entered on the CTR that is filed.



Then people would just start using the loophole thing where 10 different acquaintances/friends all come in with $1,000 at separate times and each of them ignores each other the entire trip and also all left at separate times to circumvent that the $10,000 was actually made from illegal funds. According to the Casino, these people who came in at separate times, ignored each other the entire stay, and all left at separate times don't know each other.
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November 4th, 2018 at 6:30:50 AM permalink
We should go to a cashless system and end money Laundering
I cant remember the last time I used cash
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November 4th, 2018 at 6:50:45 AM permalink
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Then people would just start using the loophole thing where 10 different acquaintances/friends all come in with $1,000 at separate times and each of them ignores each other the entire trip and also all left at separate times to circumvent that the $10,000 was actually made from illegal funds. According to the Casino, these people who came in at separate times, ignored each other the entire stay, and all left at separate times don't know each other.

That is so smurfy.
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November 4th, 2018 at 6:54:05 AM permalink
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We should go to a cashless system and end money Laundering
I cant remember the last time I used cash

End money laundering, begin tyranny. It's all about the privacy and freedom. Going to have to add a line to the Hitler poem, they went after people using cash, and I said nothing. Bad idea.
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November 4th, 2018 at 7:53:42 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Then people would just start using the loophole thing where 10 different acquaintances/friends all come in with $1,000 at separate times and each of them ignores each other the entire trip and also all left at separate times to circumvent that the $10,000 was actually made from illegal funds. According to the Casino, these people who came in at separate times, ignored each other the entire stay, and all left at separate times don't know each other.

Nathan can you explain exactly how that would work and what that would accomplish?
Are you thinking everyone is going to buy 1k in chips and hand it to one guy and at some point he is going to cash the chips in(its hard enough to cash in legit chips)? Perhaps you think they are washing money? I doubt Drake came in with a bunch of small bills.
It doesn't seem very sensible and cost-effective to have 10 different people handling your money for 10k worth of laundering.
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Money laundering in casinos might be a good article for one of the WOV/LCB writers if they can explain exactly what's going on and exactly how it's done.

Even tho it all gets lumped in under money laundering, from my understanding there are different types of laundering such as, washing money (exchanging bill denominations) and laundering money (making illegal money appear to be obtained legally so you can report it and use it).

Can somome explain to me why a person can't just go to the poker room with 1k and simply report he won 5k or whatever? Supposedly poker rooms are supposed to be reporting this stuff, but I have only seen it one time.
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November 4th, 2018 at 8:51:33 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Those same regulations will be coming to the U.S. shortly. Even today in the U,S, casinos are required to report the source of funds where the patron is getting the cash from if it is over $10,000. It is called the KYP program (Know Your Patron) and the patrons occupation needs to be entered on the CTR that is filed.



Yes we have CTRs and have had the system for a long time. They've tried pushing a more aggressive methods, but the push back has prevented it from being successful.
And there's no way that a program as strict as the back ass backward program in Canada would work here. Can you just imagine the inevitable chaos in the poker rooms here in the US? Do you know how much cash is in play?

For what it's worth, CTRs aren't always a bad thing. They help substantiate wins and losses. But having to identify the bank, teller and time of day is absurd.
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November 4th, 2018 at 9:02:46 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

We should go to a cashless system and end money Laundering
I cant remember the last time I used cash



Every time you use a bank card you're introducing a third part into your transactions. Meaning, you're paying more than you normally would have to pay. About two or three percent more. Even on the "cash back cards" you're forcing the merchants to pay extra for the transactions. In order to compensate for this service the merchants have to raise the cost of the goods/services being sold to everyone.

A cashless system seems like a neat and progressive idea...until it's not. Anytime there's an extended power outage or internet drop you'll come to realize that relying on electronic currency is foolish. Electronic currency isn't always secure or reliable. The world needs to experience another Carrington Event.
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November 4th, 2018 at 10:28:54 AM permalink
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Every time you use a bank card you're introducing a third part into your transactions. Meaning, you're paying more than you normally would have to pay. About two or three percent more. Even on the "cash back cards" you're forcing the merchants to pay extra for the transactions. In order to compensate for this service the merchants have to raise the cost of the goods/services being sold to everyone.

A cashless system seems like a neat and progressive idea...until it's not. Anytime there's an extended power outage or internet drop you'll come to realize that relying on electronic currency is foolish. Electronic currency isn't always secure or reliable. The world needs to experience another Carrington Event.



I am horrible at all things math including finances, yet I still find myself staggered at the idiocy many people engage in. $20 from the ATM every single day? You're throwing a tenner away every single week, ya mong. You can't take a hundo for the week or 2 for the pay period? Idiocy.

I recently made a faux pas deriding "those idiots who buy on credit and only make minimum payments". Offended the whole lunch party because the WHOLE LUNCH PARTY is on credit making minimum payments. It's 2018, ferchrissake.

Thanks at least for referencing Carrington. Everyone seems to live as though modern, 1st world, USA#1 life is a guarantee. And no amount of Irma's, Harvey's or Katrina's can seem to penetrate their brains. Ah well. Come TEOTWAWKI, at least I'll have odiousgambit to keep me company.
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November 4th, 2018 at 11:42:02 AM permalink
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Every time you use a bank card you're introducing a third part into your transactions. Meaning, you're paying more than you normally would have to pay. About two or three percent more.

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I am horrible at all things math including finances, yet I still find myself staggered at the idiocy many people engage in. $20 from the ATM every single day? You're throwing a tenner away every single week, ya mong. You can't take a hundo for the week or 2 for the pay period? Idiocy.

I recently made a faux pas deriding "those idiots who buy on credit and only make minimum payments". Offended the whole lunch party because the WHOLE LUNCH PARTY is on credit making minimum payments. It's 2018, ferchrissake.


I guess I stand somewhere in between the people who want to use cash for everything and those folks who make minimum payments on their credit card balances.

First of all, in contrast to the comment that I am paying 2% or 3% more when I use a card, I find very few places (other than a few gas stations and my dry cleaners) that charge a different price to cash and credit customers. Yes, the use of cards increases the merchants' expenses, and they have to make up for that. But in almost all cases, I am going to pay that increased price whether I pay by cash or credit myself. I don't recall ever encountering a restaurant or furniture store or whatever that charges me a fee for using the credit card.

I have no interest at all in carrying large amounts of cash on my person and inviting a mugging. I also don't care to keep a few thousand in cash in an envelope stuck in a drawer around my place, just to cover purchases that I might make this month. That would seem to encourage burglary.

My typical withdrawal from an ATM is $100, unless I anticipate an upcoming larger use of cash, such as a trip to a casino. I frequently keep a few hundred in cash at home to perhaps save me a trip to the ATM if something comes up, but that money is locked in a safe, unlike the way most people store their money around the house.

As for everyday expenditures, I almost always use a credit card for purchases above $10 or so. No, I don't "make minimum payments on my balances." I haven't paid interest on a credit card balance since the summer of 1971, when I found out I was being transferred to a different city by my employer just a couple of days after purchasing a washer and drier -- I decided to extend payments on those items just in case I needed cash for something. Turns out that I did. Couldn't find a suitable house for rent and wound up having to purchase a home for the first time. Really had to scrimp for funds for the downpayment.

I purchase almost everything on credit and have the credit card balances auto-debited in full from my bank account each month. Recurring payments (mortgages, utilities, insurance, etc.) are also auto-debited from the bank account. So long as I maintain an adequate balance in that account, I could just sit back and have most everything be taken care of without my personal involvement. Of course, I am a nerd, so I track the expected charges, deposits, debits, etc. on a daily basis, just to make sure everything is flowing properly.

Yes, if there were a sudden and complete failure of our technology systems, I would be in a bind, like almost everyone else. My income streams would never reach me, and my bills wouldn't get paid, though the people I am supposed to be paying might have one hell of a time figuring that out on their end. The limited amount of currency I keep on hand wouldn't keep me alive very long, but if the situation continued, I'd just be in the zombie apocalypse along with everyone else. Who around here keeps cash on hand to cover their next year's worth of expenditures?
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November 4th, 2018 at 1:23:18 PM permalink
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...<SNIP>... and the patrons occupation needs to be entered on the CTR that is filed.

Well that's interesting. And different than my experience with occasionally cashing out "signers" from the most exotic types of high-odds parimutual racetrack wagers on some multi-race or multi-horse bets that can have large payouts, both on-track and in the casino's books. But I'm not routinely cashing five figure plus Pick-6 or Superfecta tickets every day, so I might not be up to date on the very latest procedures for that either. And I do understand that you were referring above specifically to buying in for > $10K, and not necessarily also for cashing out, whether it involves a brick or more of Benjamins at the casino or the track.

I think it would be a useful public service for someone here (who is not DrawingDead) to do some noble experimental field research on the matter for the rest of us, earning the gratitude of your fellow man when they report back on the results from a few major Las Vegas casinos of their choice. I'd really like to hear about some other nice gambling degen forum fellow's experiences upon entering the following in that "occupation" line on their form or whatever to see what happens:

3. Panhandler;
2. Sorcerer's Apprentice;
1. Whore.

Thank-you in advance to the admirable volunteer.
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November 4th, 2018 at 1:30:52 PM permalink
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Come TEOTWAWKI, at least I'll have odiousgambit to keep me company.

That's when the foraging knowledge pays off? It might be when you find out foraging doesn't cut it and instead the "Pb investing" Face does turns out to be what's critical - that and that stash of gold coins the lead inventory is protecting?!

The coronal mass ejections are the scariest of all the possible things to teotwawki us as it seems inevitable and probably frequent, as in every 100-300 yrs or something. You could say a comet/asteroid hitting is inevitable but we can pretend that is very infrequent, thus unlikely, more easily.
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November 4th, 2018 at 2:20:55 PM permalink
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That's when the foraging knowledge pays off? It might be when you find out foraging doesn't cut it and instead the "Pb investing" Face does turns out to be what's critical - that and that stash of gold coins the lead inventory is protecting?!



I hope so. I need you more than you need me. I might have jerky by the ton and enough skin to outfit a lodge, but I'd also have scurvy by sundown of the first day lol.

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The coronal mass ejections are the scariest of all the possible things to teotwawki us as it seems inevitable and probably frequent, as in every 100-300 yrs or something. You could say a comet/asteroid hitting is inevitable but we can pretend that is very infrequent, thus unlikely, more easily.



If scary = best thing ever, then I agree.

It's wild that when talking of TEOTWAWKI things, this never gets mentioned. The only reason Carrington wasn't the greatest disaster humanity has ever seen was simply timing. Just happened to be 100 years too early. Imagine waking up, those north of the Mason Dixon but south of the Medicine line, and being greeted by northern lights. It's 0400 but daylight, because every transformer on your street is on fire. Cell and water towers crackle, sizzle, and throw sparks. And every single thing electronic, which is to say "every single thing", just stops working. All satellites toasted. All mass transit, ALL of it, grounded. Your personal car, gone. All databases, from the DMV to your bank to medical, gone. All commerce, gone. Food production, medicine production, water purification, all of it gone. Who you gonna call? No one, because phones are gone. Who's coming to save you? No one, because nothing works.

In the snap of a finger the entire world goes from the Tech Age to Pre-Industrial. The M1A1, the AH-64 Longbow, the F-35, nothing but piles of scrap. The US military now consists of all the Shermans and Hueys parked in front of all the VFW's and whatever basic weapons they've got stockpiled and have extra parts and ammo for, because no more is getting made (just kidding, even the Sherms are grounded). Everything is gone, nothing works, and the only way to fix it is to rebuild every single thing over again. The entire grid, all the satellites, all the ECU's and GPU's in every computer from home to kitchen to car, hospital to laboratory to school, ALL OF IT. Gone.

The water thing gets me the most. How many here have never had water but from a tap or bottle? Do you know how to make potables? In a snap of a finger the world crumbles, and while it crumbles, you have 3 days to figure it out. Figure it out without Google, mind you. Without being able to get to the library, without a newspaper coming with vital info, without anything but the knowledge in your head, the books in your home, and/or those and that of your immediate neighbor. It's a f#$%ing wild idea.

A CME of similar extent to the Carrington event happened again in 2012. We missed it by NINE DAYS.
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November 4th, 2018 at 2:43:34 PM permalink
This movie was on TV within the past 48 hours. They found my 45 collection from 1967: SEEKING A FRIEND FOR THE END OF THE WORLD (2012) THE WALKER BROTHERS
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November 4th, 2018 at 3:31:40 PM permalink
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I guess I stand somewhere in between the people who want to use cash for everything and those folks who make minimum payments on their credit card balances.

First of all, in contrast to the comment that I am paying 2% or 3% more when I use a card, I find very few places (other than a few gas stations and my dry cleaners) that charge a different price to cash and credit customers. Yes, the use of cards increases the merchants' expenses, and they have to make up for that. But in almost all cases, I am going to pay that increased price whether I pay by cash or credit myself. I don't recall ever encountering a restaurant or furniture store or whatever that charges me a fee for using the credit card.

I have no interest at all in carrying large amounts of cash on my person and inviting a mugging. I also don't care to keep a few thousand in cash in an envelope stuck in a drawer around my place, just to cover purchases that I might make this month. That would seem to encourage burglary.

My typical withdrawal from an ATM is $100, unless I anticipate an upcoming larger use of cash, such as a trip to a casino. I frequently keep a few hundred in cash at home to perhaps save me a trip to the ATM if something comes up, but that money is locked in a safe, unlike the way most people store their money around the house.

As for everyday expenditures, I almost always use a credit card for purchases above $10 or so. No, I don't "make minimum payments on my balances." I haven't paid interest on a credit card balance since the summer of 1971, when I found out I was being transferred to a different city by my employer just a couple of days after purchasing a washer and drier -- I decided to extend payments on those items just in case I needed cash for something. Turns out that I did. Couldn't find a suitable house for rent and wound up having to purchase a home for the first time. Really had to scrimp for funds for the downpayment.

I purchase almost everything on credit and have the credit card balances auto-debited in full from my bank account each month. Recurring payments (mortgages, utilities, insurance, etc.) are also auto-debited from the bank account. So long as I maintain an adequate balance in that account, I could just sit back and have most everything be taken care of without my personal involvement. Of course, I am a nerd, so I track the expected charges, deposits, debits, etc. on a daily basis, just to make sure everything is flowing properly.

Yes, if there were a sudden and complete failure of our technology systems, I would be in a bind, like almost everyone else. My income streams would never reach me, and my bills wouldn't get paid, though the people I am supposed to be paying might have one hell of a time figuring that out on their end. The limited amount of currency I keep on hand wouldn't keep me alive very long, but if the situation continued, I'd just be in the zombie apocalypse along with everyone else. Who around here keeps cash on hand to cover their next year's worth of expenditures?



I'm not saying that everyone should rely on just cash. Even I use my credit card for some things in order to get the "buyer protection" and I use online transactions to make stock trades. What I believe though is that people are way to reliant on electronic currency/cards. You'll find that you're robbed of electronic currency/bank cards far, far, far, far, more frequently than the real thing. And yes, you usually get it back, but it can be one hell of a pain in the ass to sort out. Then there's the periodic notification that the card doesn't work because of a security breach.
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November 4th, 2018 at 3:35:09 PM permalink
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I hope so. I need you more than you need me. I might have jerky by the ton and enough skin to outfit a lodge, but I'd also have scurvy by sundown of the first day lol.



If scary = best thing ever, then I agree.

It's wild that when talking of TEOTWAWKI things, this never gets mentioned. The only reason Carrington wasn't the greatest disaster humanity has ever seen was simply timing. Just happened to be 100 years too early. Imagine waking up, those north of the Mason Dixon but south of the Medicine line, and being greeted by northern lights. It's 0400 but daylight, because every transformer on your street is on fire. Cell and water towers crackle, sizzle, and throw sparks. And every single thing electronic, which is to say "every single thing", just stops working. All satellites toasted. All mass transit, ALL of it, grounded. Your personal car, gone. All databases, from the DMV to your bank to medical, gone. All commerce, gone. Food production, medicine production, water purification, all of it gone. Who you gonna call? No one, because phones are gone. Who's coming to save you? No one, because nothing works.

In the snap of a finger the entire world goes from the Tech Age to Pre-Industrial. The M1A1, the AH-64 Longbow, the F-35, nothing but piles of scrap. The US military now consists of all the Shermans and Hueys parked in front of all the VFW's and whatever basic weapons they've got stockpiled and have extra parts and ammo for, because no more is getting made (just kidding, even the Sherms are grounded). Everything is gone, nothing works, and the only way to fix it is to rebuild every single thing over again. The entire grid, all the satellites, all the ECU's and GPU's in every computer from home to kitchen to car, hospital to laboratory to school, ALL OF IT. Gone.

The water thing gets me the most. How many here have never had water but from a tap or bottle? Do you know how to make potables? In a snap of a finger the world crumbles, and while it crumbles, you have 3 days to figure it out. Figure it out without Google, mind you. Without being able to get to the library, without a newspaper coming with vital info, without anything but the knowledge in your head, the books in your home, and/or those and that of your immediate neighbor. It's a f#$%ing wild idea.

A CME of similar extent to the Carrington event happened again in 2012. We missed it by NINE DAYS.



If we have a Carrington event then chances are your car will still work. There is some protection there and it's unlikely to trash your car.

A few years ago when in Florida, a small part of Tampa experienced an extended internet outage. A local strip Subway didn't have internet for three days and consequently couldn't process cards. While eating there on two of the days I watched patron after patron walk in and back out because they didn't even have enough cash for the sandwich! It was also interesting to see how many people didn't' read the sign on the door saying that they couldn't take cards because of the outage.
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November 4th, 2018 at 3:55:19 PM permalink
I keep reading about pre-paid cards from Wal-Mart getting hacked before people even get home with them. No amount of deregulation from Congress is going to stop that.

From 4 years and a couple weeks ago.
The Walmart MoneyCard hacker strikes again https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/the-walmart-moneycard-hacker-strikes-again-101414.html
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November 4th, 2018 at 4:06:26 PM permalink
Hackers steal Hilton Hotels' loyalty program reward points
This might be from 4 years and 1 day ago.
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/hackers-steal-hilton-hotels-loyalty-program-reward-points-110314.html
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November 4th, 2018 at 4:18:46 PM permalink
My hypothetical scenario is that each of the 10 people have illegally gained money($1,000 each person, so a lot of $10,000. ) They make a plan before even going anywhere near the Casino not to come in and leave at separate times and not to interact with each other at all, let's say at a bar. By the time they are each in the Casino they have entered at separate times and never interacted with each each other and all left at separate times so that the Casino won't question the money. If you are a Casino Employee/Manager/Owner who draws your suspicion? The one guy who has $10,000 or the guy who has $1,000? I know my suspicion would be drawn to the one with $10,000 and not the one with only $1,000.
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November 4th, 2018 at 4:32:20 PM permalink
The TV series Vegas from a decade ago with James Caan seemed to emphasize money laundering prevention tactics. Like if you buy-in for $5000, gamble for 15 minutes and cash out, that would get you a visit from the casino owner and his thugs.

Just the other week, a guy next to me strolling up to the craps table was being hassled by a suit. The player had a match play in his hand and was about to do a doey-don't with it. The suit said to the guy something about "You've already talked to the vice-president of the casino and he never wants to see you do that again!"
What? Was it his match play? I don't know, and nobody told me why. But that is not something I want to hear in a casino except to hear it once, said to someone else. The player played on, a bit rattled. Should I have left the table? You know somebody's watchin'.
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November 4th, 2018 at 4:43:11 PM permalink
As far as Drake being barred from gaming at a casino he'll be performing at, that might be a security thing so he isn't mobbed by patrons while he's at the roulette wheel. You know, employees can't gamble kind of thing too. But if there's a stray celeb in the crowd who isn't performing, they're free to use an alias on the floor.
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November 4th, 2018 at 5:00:14 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

As far as Drake being barred from gaming at a casino he'll be performing at, that might be a security thing so he isn't mobbed by patrons while he's at the roulette wheel. You know, employees can't gamble kind of thing too. But if there's a stray celeb in the crowd who isn't performing, they're free to use an alias on the floor.



Drake can hire a look alike that "Left," earlier while Drake dons a very good disguise and gambles in peace. Michael Jackson came to visit Janet Jackson on her Rhythm Nation video set wearing a very good old man disguise and security accosted him thinking this "Old man," looked like a creep and were taken aback that it was really Michael trying to visit his little sister, LMAO. Drake can do something similar and no one would know it's really him if the disguise is really good and the gamblers already saw "Drake," leave earlier. ;)
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November 4th, 2018 at 5:07:15 PM permalink
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November 4th, 2018 at 9:30:09 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

My hypothetical scenario is that each of the 10 people have illegally gained money($1,000 each person, so a lot of $10,000. ) They make a plan before even going anywhere near the Casino not to come in and leave at separate times and not to interact with each other at all, let's say at a bar. By the time they are each in the Casino they have entered at separate times and never interacted with each each other and all left at separate times so that the Casino won't question the money. If you are a Casino Employee/Manager/Owner who draws your suspicion? The one guy who has $10,000 or the guy who has $1,000? I know my suspicion would be drawn to the one with $10,000 and not the one with only $1,000.

It's wonderful you have a plan. Having a good plan is usually a good thing.

Now please tell me what your plan is accomplishing and how it's helping you launder the money. And again, I'm not talking about washing money.

Your plan would work for washing money, however, you wouldn't need 10 people to go in all at once or one place. You wouldn't need to have some big meet up at a bar prior. One person could just go to 10 different casinos in one day or 10 casinos in 10 days or some variation of that. IMO having 10 people would be way too many people that you would have to worry about f-ing something up or ratting you out. I think I have to give your hypothetical plan an actual F.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 4th, 2018 at 11:38:01 PM permalink
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It's wonderful you have a plan. Having a good plan is usually a good thing.

Now please tell me what your plan is accomplishing and how it's helping you launder the money. And again, I'm not talking about washing money.

Your plan would work for washing money, however, you wouldn't need 10 people to go in all at once or one place. You wouldn't need to have some big meet up at a bar prior. One person could just go to 10 different casinos in one day or 10 casinos in 10 days or some variation of that. IMO having 10 people would be way too many people that you would have to worry about f-ing something up or ratting you out. I think I have to give your hypothetical plan an actual F.



I'm going to my Corner as to not hijack this thread with my response. ;)
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
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November 5th, 2018 at 1:04:05 AM permalink
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I'm going to my Corner as to not hijack this thread with my response. ;)

As it should be. ;)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 5th, 2018 at 7:19:09 AM permalink
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I thought it was KYC Know Your Customer. Maybe just a different sheep in wolf's clothing, as the saying goes.



You are absolutely correct. I don't know why I said KYP, it is KYC.
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November 5th, 2018 at 8:41:06 AM permalink
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You are absolutely correct. I don't know why I said KYP, it is KYC.



All this KYP and KYC talk is making me hungry

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November 5th, 2018 at 8:43:24 AM permalink
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The TV series Vegas from a decade ago with James Caan seemed to emphasize money laundering prevention tactics. Like if you buy-in for $5000, gamble for 15 minutes and cash out, that would get you a visit from the casino owner and his thugs.

Just the other week, a guy next to me strolling up to the craps table was being hassled by a suit. The player had a match play in his hand and was about to do a doey-don't with it. The suit said to the guy something about "You've already talked to the vice-president of the casino and he never wants to see you do that again!"
What? Was it his match play? I don't know, and nobody told me why. But that is not something I want to hear in a casino except to hear it once, said to someone else. The player played on, a bit rattled. Should I have left the table? You know somebody's watchin'.



I would not put much stock in that show

There was one episode where they used x-rays from their ceiling cameras to detect who was carrying a concealed handgun

That show is filled with anti-cheat and anti-AP fantasy devices
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November 5th, 2018 at 9:43:37 AM permalink
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If we have a Carrington event then chances are your car will still work. There is some protection there and it's unlikely to trash your car.

A few years ago when in Florida, a small part of Tampa experienced an extended internet outage. A local strip Subway didn't have internet for three days and consequently couldn't process cards. While eating there on two of the days I watched patron after patron walk in and back out because they didn't even have enough cash for the sandwich! It was also interesting to see how many people didn't' read the sign on the door saying that they couldn't take cards because of the outage.

Carrington event? I assume you meant catastrophic even but perhaps not and there is somthing called a Carrington event?
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November 5th, 2018 at 9:55:41 AM permalink
Did you not watch Dynasty? A Carrington event is when a season ends on a cliffhanger- Who shot JR, who survived the Moldavian Massacre. Its code used by pseudo intellectuals.
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November 5th, 2018 at 10:53:44 AM permalink
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Did you not watch Dynasty? A Carrington event is when a season ends on a cliffhanger- Who shot JR, who survived the Moldavian Massacre. Its code used by pseudo intellectuals.

Did it have Ninjas or naked girls?

I was kinda too young for that show when it started. I was probably old enough to watch it, but it wasn't something I would be into at that time. I have since seen various documentaries about the 80's where they talked about the Dynasty craze and it was fascinating.
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November 5th, 2018 at 4:18:29 PM permalink
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November 5th, 2018 at 5:22:04 PM permalink
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Carrington event? I assume you meant catastrophic even but perhaps not and there is somthing called a Carrington event?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859

The solar storm of 1859 (also known as the Carrington Event)[1] was a powerful geomagnetic solar storm during solar cycle 10 (1855–1867). A solar coronal mass ejection (CME) hit Earth's magnetosphere and induced one of the largest geomagnetic storms on record, September 1–2, 1859. The associated "white light flare" in the solar photosphere was observed and recorded by British astronomers Richard C. Carrington (1826–1875) and Richard Hodgson (1804–1872). The now-standard unique IAU identifier for this flare is SOL1859-09-01.
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