AC overnight
Quote: aceofspadesit just baffles my feeble mind how variance can just die
Yet it never baffles you when you're
winning and the dealer is busting 75%
of the time. Then it's working just as
it should.
Quote: aceofspadesHow does variance just die like that -- dealer making every 16 whereas I bust every 12
Losing a bunch of hands in a row is a manifestation of blackjack's extremely high variance, not variance "dying."
It's all part of the game.
Quote: sodawaterLosing a bunch of hands in a row is a manifestation of blackjack's extremely high variance,
You can't avoid it and you can't hide
from it. With team play you can smooth
it out, but who wants team play..
Quote: aceofspadesActually realized had money in safe so lost 6900 not 10k
Holy crap! Good thing you looked before checkout!
Quote: sodawaterLosing a bunch of hands in a row is a manifestation of blackjack's extremely high variance, not variance "dying."
It's all part of the game.
Sodawater, I know that logically...but when a dealer gets blackjack or makes 21 on 7 of her first 10 hands, I believe I am entitled to some poetic license to use the term "dying"
Quote: rdw4potusHoly crap! Good thing you looked before checkout!
It was a relief to know I didn't go fully on tilt
Quote: EvenBobYet it never baffles you when you're
winning and the dealer is busting 75%
of the time. Then it's working just as
it should.
Has that ever happened to me...?
What was I thinking
I must have been drinking
To go to AC
This weekend.
Quote: EvenBobAlmost a haiku:
What was I thinking
I must have been drinking
To go to AC
This weekend.
I'm thinking of just doing a couple of day trips - no overnight stays where I feel beholden to a host - just go down, if I am up I leave right then and there and live to fight another day
Quote: EvenBobBJ sucks, take up bac. You'll have more fun,
lose less, bet less, and the table energy is
much better. You can't screw up another
players hand and he can't screw up yours.
So you end up all rooting for each other,
it makes a big difference in the type of experience
you're having.
Horrible idea.
Baccarat for the most part is a sucker game. I dunno if ace's system gives him +EV or not, but I can say for certainty that unless he's doing some advanced play (like edge sorting) on bacc he's going to be a loser on it.
Quote: aceofspadesI'm thinking of just doing a couple of day trips - no overnight stays where I feel beholden to a host - just go down, if I am up I leave right then and there and live to fight another day
Bury the hatchet with Foxwoods. The Newport Room has the best rules and penetration around and you won't get backed off with Speed Count. Just don't win too much. :-)
Quote: sc15
Baccarat for the most part is a sucker game.
Why is bac any more a sucker game
than using speed count on BJ.
Please explain.
Teams don't use speed count.Quote: EvenBobYou can't avoid it and you can't hide
from it. With team play you can smooth
it out, but who wants team play..
Confused about the found money.Quote: aceofspadesIt was a relief to know I didn't go fully on tilt
You brought more than you though?
If so I'm not sure I would feel better.
Or did you lost less than you thought?
Quote: EvenBobWhy is bac any more a sucker game
than using speed count on BJ.
Please explain.
I think speed count, even though it's a crappy count system, is still barely +EV with the right conditions.
With baccarat you're going to be -EV (including comps + mailers), which makes it a sucker game.
Quote: sc15I think speed count, even though it's a crappy count system, is still barely +EV with the right conditions.
With baccarat you're going to be -EV (including comps + mailers), which makes it a sucker game.
I don't think expectation is Ace's top consideration for his play. I would recommend he get into baccarat. It's a slower, more sociable game, and while it is streaky, you don't get as many horrible bad beats as blackjack.
Quote: EvenBobWhy is bac any more a sucker game
than using speed count on BJ.
Please explain.
The house edge per round is more than twice as high?
Quote: AxelWolfConfused about the found money.
You brought more than you though?
If so I'm not sure I would feel better.
Or did you lost less than you thought?
Thought I had bought in (did a few buying throughout the trip)--thought I had all cash in my pocket - realized I left some I the safe when I was checking out
So you lost about 14 big bets, right? I lost 7 big bets once in the first 10 minutes of play at a casino. And on my worst trip ever I lost 35 big bets. Granted, my big bet was $200. But still, losing 14 big bets isn't that bad.
Quote: GreasyjohnAce,
So you lost about 14 big bets, right? I lost 7 big bets once in the first 10 minutes of play at a casino. And on my worst trip ever I lost 35 big bets. Granted, my big bet was $200. But still, losing 14 big bets isn't that bad.
It might not be bad but it still stings when I am not even in the mix — just loss after loss after loss
Quote: GreasyjohnI once lost 50 units total in two trips back to back. And I and many other blackjack players know e-x-a-c-t-l-y how you feel.
I appreciate you commiserating with me - I know we have all been there - it is just, when in the moment, that all seems lost and there will never be a rebound
Quote: ArtemisSo while the husbands win, the wives lose...Go figure.
Oldest casino story there is. The
faster the husband wins it, the
faster the wife feeds the machines.
They know exactly what they're
doing, most wives I know resent the
crap out of their husbands winning.
Quote: aceofspadesLady at Bally's yesterday would hit the Lucky Ladies side bet repeatedly - she was betting $25/hand on two hands but would then play $100 on Lucky Ladies - she would hit suited (9-1 odds) a couple of times then leave to go play slots - come back and tell us she needed some more Lucky Ladies and repeated the cycle about 5 times
Maybe she was counting. Lucky Ladies is countable and beatable.
Quote: EvenBobOldest casino story there is. The
faster the husband wins it, the
faster the wife feeds the machines.
They know exactly what they're
doing, most wives I know resent the
crap out of their husbands winning.
My wife loves it when I win. So does Chanel, Gucci, Prada, Louis Vuitton and many others.
Quote: sodawaterMaybe she was counting. Lucky Ladies is countable and beatable.
I agree - but why go lose it back on slots (unless that was cover)
Quote: aceofspadesI'm jonesing to play and get back to even ( I realize it is one of the factors to call GA but I am not there yet lol )
If you can afford to play, why is it a problem? Some people spend much more money on other hobbies. I say get in there.
Quote: sodawaterIf you can afford to play, why is it a problem? Some people spend much more money on other hobbies. I say get in there.
It will have to wait for the weekend
All the best gambling addictions end with craps. Baccarat is right up there.Quote: ArtemisA reason: it's a sickness/compulsive disorder. For example, "Gahzie" was a good spotter for APs in my neck of the woods. He earned good money for spotting & "APing". Unfortunately he got tired of the boring blackjack (with +EVs). On the other hand, he loved the action in craps (with -Evs). Trapped in his addiction, he eventually went broke because he's a compulsive craps shooter.
Quote: aceofspadesIt will have to wait for the weekend
There have been many times when I have been on a "blackjack vacation" and quit playing, if it is no longer fun. When I'm in a good mood I know I'll enjoy the action, win or lose. But there are times when I'm not in the mood to accept the possibility of losing. If I know I'll hate losing more than I'll enjoy winning, I don't play. Sometimes a break, working out, taking a long walk, can have a recuperative affect. I like feeling like I want to jump into the game.
Quote: AxelWolfAll the best gambling addictions end with craps. Baccarat is right up there.
So, when I start playing craps I am an addict??
It seems to me that you go through the same situation I do and I am trying to kill this emotion repeatedly: You start gambling and have the worst feeling in your life when you lose. You can't sleep, eat, or enjoy the casino outside of gambling when you are "stuck", and can only start to feel good again until you are back to even. I don't know you well personally (I met you once but that was it) but you should learn to not see gambling as a scoreboard and consider it blowing mad money. Trust me I've pulled 24 hour shifts playing to get back to even when I keep getting down in the hole, and it's something I am trying to quit, especially if I have a room and dinner comp.
Hopefully you won't take offense to what I am saying, but it's an observation I've noticed in your TR's.
Quote: AxelWolfAll the best gambling addictions end with craps. Baccarat is right up there.
I bet you it's the Big 6 or Casino War
Quote: djatcace
It seems to me that you go through the same situation I do and I am trying to kill this emotion repeatedly: You start gambling and have the worst feeling in your life when you lose. You can't sleep, eat, or enjoy the casino outside of gambling when you are "stuck", and can only start to feel good again until you are back to even. I don't know you well personally (I met you once but that was it) but you should learn to not see gambling as a scoreboard and consider it blowing mad money. Trust me I've pulled 24 hour shifts playing to get back to even when I keep getting down in the hole, and it's something I am trying to quit, especially if I have a room and dinner comp.
Hopefully you won't take offense to what I am saying, but it's an observation I've noticed in your TR's.
DJ - no offense taken at all as I appreciate the insight - I enjoy the game and the casino even if losing - however, it is when the losing comes in the course of one or two shoes, where there is not even an appearance of variance that gets me depressed - if, after playing 5 hours or so I am down, so be it...but when losing bankroll in 10 minutes flat betting, that is difficult to deal with
EvenBob told me about an article he read where certain people, when gambling, feel disproportionately upset at a loss as compared to how they feel when they win - I think I suffer from this affliction -- I know I eventually win the big losses back, but the speed of the loss is what upsets me the most
Quote: aceofspadesI'm jonesing to play and get back to even ( I realize it is one of the factors to call GA but I am not there yet lol )
I feel you, but with experience one learns when the time is right to smack the casino and I am talking smacking. The kind of smacking where not only the pit boss is at your table, but also the casino manager and another higher up. When you see that, you look at them and then smile. It's all good, been there and done that. But its all timing and doesn't happen every trip, not nearly.
Quote: Baccaratfrom79My wife loves it when I win. So does Chanel, Gucci, Prada, Louis Vuitton and many others.
Well at least that isn't as dumb as pissing it into a slot machine. Not even close.
Quote: Baccaratfrom79I feel you, but with experience one learns when the time is right to smack the casino and I am talking smacking. The kind of smacking where not only the pit boss is at your table, but also the casino manager and another higher up. When you see that, you look at them and then smile. It's all good, been there and done that. But its all timing and doesn't happen every trip, not nearly.
I agree. The right timing is everything even for players with +EVs. "Phrink" had been a welcome bj player for 2 decades until he smacked a Caesars Casino really hard during the PERFECTO timing. Unfortunately the shiftmanager restricted Phrink to a maximum bet of $50 in the high roller room. It's like a situation in which a light switch was turned off during the night against Phrink. All the previous friendly pitbosses/supervisors/dealers shunned him as if he were a leper. A reason for the "light-off-treatment" was: "MANAGEMENT DECISION."
Quote: aceofspades
EvenBob told me about an article he read where certain people, when gambling, feel disproportionately upset at a loss as compared to how they feel when they win -
It was about loss aversion. The example they
used was, if you find a $20 bill on the sidewalk
you feel good about it. But if you lose the $20
bill that way, the feeling of loss you have
is all out of proportion to the good emotion you
had finding it.
It's wired in our DNA. To survive, we needed to
find and hold onto things, so finding was good
and losing something we found was miserable.
You can see it in animals. Give your dog a bone
and then try and take it from him. It's instinct
to hold onto something good aggressively.
Quote: Baccaratfrom79Never ever had a problem at Baccarat. Can't count the game, can't cheat unless it's a criminal action such as the Tran Gang with dealer collusion, etc. The most I ever won at BJ was around $50k I think and I don't spread my wagers proving I am card counting. I maintain a high level and go higher, but that is not my game. Baccarat is. I have won $200k in a half eve or so. I have seen many win sums 5 fold that. There is no backing off at the places I play without criminal charges, etc.
This is the stuff that belongs in the "how cheap are you" thread. You'll wager hundred and possibly thousands of dollars on one hand at baccarat, yet want to go off strip to find cheaper food/drinks/supplies. Don't take this wrong because I am not insulting you. I am the same way. I think it is funny. My brain must be wired weird. The thought of a $10 dinner sounds ridiculous to me sometimes so I eat the $1.99 foot long hotdog to save money. And then I go play $25 table min craps. No logic haha
Quote: BeardgoatThis is the stuff that belongs in the "how cheap are you" thread. You'll wager hundred and possibly thousands of dollars on one hand at baccarat, yet want to go off strip to find cheaper food/drinks/supplies. Don't take this wrong because I am not insulting you. I am the same way. I think it is funny. My brain must be wired weird. The thought of a $10 dinner sounds ridiculous to me sometimes so I eat the $1.99 foot long hotdog to save money. And then I go play $25 table min craps. No logic haha
To a certain point you are right! Will wager $5k and never blink an eye with a loss. Then we don't want to pay $7.49 for a bag of chips that are $2.49 like we did at that little itty bitty tiny store at The Mirage across from BLT Burger joint. 2 bags of chips, a bag of Pepperridge farm cookies and a small slim jim was like $24.00. But it is also the selection, flavors and brands. When we get to town, we have to get the baby a box of diapers, a couple half gallons of milk and a host of other stuff. This time around it was my wife's nail polish remover, cotton balls, q-tips and other junk. The gift shop off the side of CP lobby in the front corner is pretty lax on their selections as well.
Quote: Baccaratfrom79Never ever had a problem at Baccarat. Can't count the game, can't cheat unless it's a criminal action such as the Tran Gang with dealer collusion, etc. The most I ever won at BJ was around $50k I think and I don't spread my wagers proving I am card counting. I maintain a high level and go higher, but that is not my game. Baccarat is. I have won $200k in a half eve or so. I have seen many win sums 5 fold that. There is no backing off at the places I play without criminal charges, etc.
Yeah, but you're probably a long term loser (or if you're not, you will be if you keep playing).
Casinos don't have a problem with EV losers, they only have a problem with EV winners.
Quote: Baccaratfrom79I have lost, I have won. I have played so long I gave it all back including the bankroll. I have learned that there are opportunities and you find them, go in and play smart and don't play every hand. Find the opportunity and smack them. Little or big, don't give it back. It more will power and an art then anything to do with wagering systems. If all else fails, find the candy and fruit dishes, have a snack. Don't forget to hide money in your room safe.
My plan is to do a few day trips and hopefully hit and run and get close to even before I head to Vegas
Quote: aceofspadesMy plan is to do a few day trips and hopefully hit and run and get close to even before I head to Vegas
Are you still mad at Foxwoods?
